Quoted message said:Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
From: [email hidden] (Jan)
Date: 5/16/2004 1:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>
Quoted message said:Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
vs making things up.
Everyone of the *gang* does it, starting with Orac.
Quoted message said:*I don't really think Jan is necessarily evil. She is, however, so
blinded by her hatred of conventional medicine*
Orac made that up as he can't post any proof of any such thing.
Rich the stalker and liar wrote:
* Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the Holocaust*
*
Then she blames Jews
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
years ago.*
Orac replied:
Quoted message said:Yes, that is the saddest thing about her.
*****Now, I will expect you to prove both of your claims.*****
He can't, he was eager to believe Rich's lies and so it goes.
Jan
From: Jan ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Why Amalgam?
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Date: 2003-09-01 22:27:29 PST
You must not be aware of my posts of MHA. It is *organized* medicine that is
evil, not conventional. I know quite a few good dedicated doctors and Thank God
for them. Here are a few of my posts that will hopefully help you to understand
my position.
From: Jan ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Medical Errors Kill up to 98,000 Hospitalized Americans per Year/
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2002-02-15 18:15:56 PST
Someone asked :
Quoted message said:what is the difference (as far as you are concerned) between "evil organized
med" and conventional med?
It's the organization itself that is evil. Going way back you'll learn how they
operate. How they control using politics. Controlling what is taught is medical
schools. Suppressings of alternatives. Ye good ole boy club EGO thing. There
are many good and dedicated medical people in conventional medicine, that are
NOT members of the organization.
We have a few examples of organized members right here. Take a look at how
Peter B. lied in his article on Ben Kolb. Then there are those who defend his
lies. Another is Peter Moran. He denies anything that doesn't come from
organized medicine. The NCAHF and Stephen Barrett play a big role. Who suffers
from all of this? The American people.
From: Jan ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Re Why are people turning to alt. medicine?
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2002-02-02 19:24:24 PST
That's where everyone takes me wrong. I have often explained that I
appreciate the many dedicated doctors we have and the wonderful technology.
NOTall doctors or medical people are a part of the organization. As a matter of
fact many fight against it and can tell some whoppers.The*organization* itself
is where the evil lies. Read about it in Racketeering in Medicine.
What is so strange about that? I have stated many times the evils of
organized medicine, I have also stated that there are many good dedicated
doctors who carry a hugh responsibility, and THANK GOD for them. My young
doctor is very dedicated as is my CRA's hubby who just graduated from med
school. Both will tell you the evils of organized medicine.
My heart goes out to the dedicated medical people, God Bless them.
I can see how you would get that idea for just one post. However previously
Ihave made it plain that I appreciated the great responsibility of
dedicated doctors. It is the *organization* that is the problem. Many doctors
are NOT apart of it, and they will tell you of even more of the evils.
Bad doctors? To answer your question. Yes I would either call 911 or rush the
child to the ER room. And I would greatly appreciated the doctor who could
help my child. Where do you get the idea that I think all doctors are bad? I
have often said there are MANY dedicated doctors who carry a great
responsibility,,,,,,,,,and THANK GOD for them.
! It is organized medicine that I believe is relentless NOT individual
doctors! I happen to know and APPRECIATE many dedicated doctors.
.. Just reading the history of *organized* medcine is an eye opener.
That certainly doesn't mean that we don't have very good dedicated doctors
that carry a great responsibility. Thank God for them. My concerns are that
there are many good alternative methods that are working, but are not being
accepted because they didn't come from the organization. In reading the history
The AMA tried to buy the methods they knew were working and when the seller
refused, he was told his method would never see the light of day. Then they set
out to ruin him personally One of these stories is about Dr Semmelweis who
introduced hand washing. He got the same treatment. One fair and honest doctor
said, let's give this young man a chance. After taking away his privileges and
trying to ruin him, he was later considered to be one of the best surgeons in
the world. The hesitation on the part of organized medicine cost some lives.
God Bless those many dedicated doctors who carry a great responsibility and
do their best by their patients.The problem is, there is *organized* medicine.
They would like to stop anything alt. and call it BS WITHOUT any proof.
Organized medicine does not mean we don't have very dedicated doctors. It
is much the same as politics. Anyone one who believes it isn't organized
should talk to a new dcotor who has just graduated. Medicine is indeed
organized mainly for control.
Quoted message said:Oh? And you don't lump all pharmaceutical companies together? And '*organized
medicine*'?
That's correct, never have. I know a lot of doctors who are NOT a
part of organized medicine. They can tell you even MORE of the evils. And thank
God for dedicated doctors. Perhaps you overlooked that in my posts?
Not by me they're not. I respect good doctors. Many have certainly
earned respect. I have a neighbor who is in his third year of med school. He
isworking very hard and is a great guy. He also believes in alternative.
That's what I like to see.
Agreed! I just hope that both can keep an open mind. Both my Aunt and Uncle
have had back and neck surgery and they are doing fine. The surgeon is a great
guy and took time with the family after each operation.
Well you are wrong. I have never said I despised doctors, quite the
contary. Both my Aunt and Uncle recently had necessary surgery and the surgeon
was awonderful man who did a wonderful job.
How very true. For example one might think that I hate all MD's. Not so, I
am grateful for the good ones. My Aunt had back surgery this week. Her surgeon
was wonderful! He drew us a diagram of what he did, and took time for allour
questions. Next day, I called and someone answered. We were cutting up as he
told me he was Buba.(I didn't know I was talking to the doc) He then said, Oh
yeah this is Jan who is going to clean her house for the next two months.
He had picked up on the teasing of the day before when I told my uncle, that
I DIDN'T do dishes. A really nice guy who did a great job and very down to
earth. Wouldn't it be great if we could know the thoughts behind the words
here??
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****Now, I will expect you to correct your mistake.******
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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You are falling for Rich's lies and adding to them. Alternative believing
people have nothing whatsoever to do with anti-semitism, Nazi's, bigots, or any
other names being called by the *gang*
Quoted message said:Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the
Quoted message said:Holocaust
No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.
Quoted message said:since no one here was involved in it. Then she blames Jews
Quoted message said:of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
years ago.
That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof of his
claim.
Quoted message said:Yes, that is the saddest thing about her.
****Do copy and paste where I have said any such thing.*****
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Quoted message said:Your, yes, is an example of Rich lies and you swear to it.
Prove me wrong.
Your bone to pick it because I tell the truth, and the truth causes unrest for
the guilty..
*****Now, I will expect you to prove both of your claims.*****
HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
And you wonder why I call you a liar.
Jan
