Re: "lies" vs "errors"

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Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
From: "Gymmy Bob" [email hidden]
Date: 5/17/04 9:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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Made complete sense to me and I only read it once.

Thanks Gymmy.

We do need to be kind to those who only have the intelligence of a ripe
cucumber like Coleah.

On second thought, maybe that is a rotten cucumber like Coleah.

DrC PhD

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DRCEEPHD said:

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Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
From: "Coleah" [email hidden]
Date: 5/16/04 9:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <UyUpc.12753$qA.1571397@attbi_s51>

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Organized medicine is the devils work????

It is, at least according to Revolations.

The prophesy was " ...whole nations will be deceived by your medicines".

The

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"your" means Satin.

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Why pick on a harmless fabric?

I wondered .....
a real "PhD" who would spelled so, "creatively" when talking
about "Revolations" and "Satin".

(Jan) said:

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If
she had read it, we'd all be talking about arrhythmias and
cardiomyopathy (Elavil), tumorigenic potential and sudden unexplained
death (Neurontin), and how her EVIL MD is trying to poison her.

My MD is not evil. I would not be taking drugs if I had a choice,

Jan does not have a choice?? Who is *forcing* Jan to take these
medications?? If she wants to she can choose to stop taking them. No
one is putting a gun to her head. Jan *chooses* to take these
medications because they make her feel better. But Jan ridicules
children who take Ritalin even though it makes them feel better. She
is such a hypocrite.

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as a matter
of fact, I don't believe I would have had a weakended immune sytstem which led
to the problem of the mercury amalgams leaking and causing both mercury
poisoning and PN had it NOT been for the fact that I was on many drugs for
years for my headache. These drugs are WHAT wiped out my immune system.

Then you are fair game to most anything.

So why on earth is Jan taking medications which are just going to
cover up her real problem and give her side effects? Has not Jan
learned that the medications are just going to cause her problems??
She must be addicted to these medications if she cannot stop them??

Some day Jan will blame Elavil and Neurontin for wiping out her immune
system or causing some other health problem. Then she will blame her
doctors for not warning her about the side effects of Elavil and
Neurontin. Some things are so predicable.

Aloha,

Rich

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At what cost to your prestige and your malpractice insurance?
As I understand it, if a doc in California even suggests an alt

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treatment the
doc can be fined $10,000 and can lose his licence to cut, burn, poison, and
kill to his heart's content.

DrC PhD

OH????

funny...I practice in Calif and have malpractice insurance...and attend many
hours of continuing educ each year...

surely have never heard THAT lie??

source please??

ps...takes a hellavulot more than THAT to lose your license BTW
hawki.....

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(Jan) said:

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If
she had read it, we'd all be talking about arrhythmias and
cardiomyopathy (Elavil), tumorigenic potential and sudden unexplained
death (Neurontin), and how her EVIL MD is trying to poison her.

My MD is not evil. I would not be taking drugs if I had a choice,

Jan does not have a choice?? Who is *forcing* Jan to take these
medications?? If she wants to she can choose to stop taking them. No
one is putting a gun to her head. Jan *chooses* to take these
medications because they make her feel better. But Jan ridicules
children who take Ritalin even though it makes them feel better. She
is such a hypocrite.

Quoted message said:

as a matter
of fact, I don't believe I would have had a weakended immune sytstem

which led

Quoted message said:

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to the problem of the mercury amalgams leaking and causing both mercury
poisoning and PN had it NOT been for the fact that I was on many drugs

for

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years for my headache. These drugs are WHAT wiped out my immune system.

Then you are fair game to most anything.

So why on earth is Jan taking medications which are just going to
cover up her real problem and give her side effects? Has not Jan
learned that the medications are just going to cause her problems??
She must be addicted to these medications if she cannot stop them??

Some day Jan will blame Elavil and Neurontin for wiping out her immune
system or causing some other health problem. Then she will blame her
doctors for not warning her about the side effects of Elavil and
Neurontin. Some things are so predicable.

Aloha,

Rich

======================

Elavil Uses
Elavil is prescribed for the relief of symptoms of mental depression. It is
a member of the group of drugs called tricyclic antidepressants. Some
doctors also prescribe Elavil to treat bulimia (an eating disorder), to
control chronic pain, to prevent migraine headaches, and to treat a
pathological weeping and laughing syndrome associated with multiple
sclerosis.

Neurontin Uses
This medicine is used to manage pain in the area affected by herpes zoster
after the disease has been treated. It is also used as part of overall
therapy for the treatment of partial seizures in patients over 12 years of
age with epilepsy and as part of overall therapy for the treatment of
partial seizures in patients 3 to 12 years of age.

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At what cost to your prestige and your malpractice insurance?
As I understand it, if a doc in California even suggests an alt

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treatment the
doc can be fined $10,000 and can lose his licence to cut, burn, poison,

and

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kill to his heart's content.

DrC PhD

OH????

funny...I practice in Calif and have malpractice insurance...and attend

many

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hours of continuing educ each year...

surely have never heard THAT lie??

source please??

ps...takes a hellavulot more than THAT to lose your license BTW
hawki.....

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Lot's of doctor's offer suggestions that would be considered 'alternative'
to conventional medicine, but certainly not for something that would be
life threatening.

What happened to sour this DrC guy to such an extreme?

Says Orac who is out to demonise alt med.
Sooner or later the truth is going to come out and people like you are going
to take a big hit.
Anth

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In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

(That can be turned around and applied to you)

Wrong. I don't hate "alternative medicine." Indeed, I occasionally even
recommend one or two "alt" treatments to my patients.

Says Rich who thinks niacin causes hepatoxicity and the flush reaction with
niacin is a sign of toxicity.
Anth

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(Jan) said:

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If
she had read it, we'd all be talking about arrhythmias and
cardiomyopathy (Elavil), tumorigenic potential and sudden unexplained
death (Neurontin), and how her EVIL MD is trying to poison her.

My MD is not evil. I would not be taking drugs if I had a choice,

Jan does not have a choice?? Who is *forcing* Jan to take these
medications?? If she wants to she can choose to stop taking them. No
one is putting a gun to her head. Jan *chooses* to take these
medications because they make her feel better. But Jan ridicules
children who take Ritalin even though it makes them feel better. She
is such a hypocrite.

Quoted message said:

as a matter
of fact, I don't believe I would have had a weakended immune sytstem

which led

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to the problem of the mercury amalgams leaking and causing both mercury
poisoning and PN had it NOT been for the fact that I was on many drugs

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

years for my headache. These drugs are WHAT wiped out my immune system.

Then you are fair game to most anything.

So why on earth is Jan taking medications which are just going to
cover up her real problem and give her side effects? Has not Jan
learned that the medications are just going to cause her problems??
She must be addicted to these medications if she cannot stop them??

Some day Jan will blame Elavil and Neurontin for wiping out her immune
system or causing some other health problem. Then she will blame her
doctors for not warning her about the side effects of Elavil and
Neurontin. Some things are so predicable.

Aloha,

Rich

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Anth said:

Says Rich who thinks niacin causes hepatoxicity and the flush reaction with
niacin is a sign of toxicity.
Anth

Thanx for your important and relevant contribution to this thread
Anth.

It appears as if Anth is adopting the tactics of Jan Drew; instead of
discussing the topic, divert attention by making a personal attack.
Speaking of personal attacks, Jan Drew will soon be along to do her
thing. Just watch.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi%3Fcmd%3DRetrieve%26db%3DPubMed%26list_uids%3D8284714%26dopt%3DAbstract&e=7620

http://www.crackpots.org/purif3.htm

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/nia_0184.shtml

Watch how Anth completely rejects the above links which document the
toxic effects of Niacin including flushing (mild toxicity) and
hepatotoxicity (more serious toxicity). Anyone interested in the toxic
effects of Niacin can do a search with "niacin" and "hepatotoxicity".

Aloha,

Rich

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(Jan) said:

>If
>she had read it, we'd all be talking about arrhythmias and
>cardiomyopathy (Elavil), tumorigenic potential and sudden unexplained
>death (Neurontin), and how her EVIL MD is trying to poison her.

My MD is not evil. I would not be taking drugs if I had a choice,

Jan does not have a choice?? Who is *forcing* Jan to take these
medications?? If she wants to she can choose to stop taking them. No
one is putting a gun to her head. Jan *chooses* to take these
medications because they make her feel better. But Jan ridicules
children who take Ritalin even though it makes them feel better. She
is such a hypocrite.

Quoted message said:

as a matter
of fact, I don't believe I would have had a weakended immune sytstem

which led

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

to the problem of the mercury amalgams leaking and causing both mercury
poisoning and PN had it NOT been for the fact that I was on many drugs

for

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

years for my headache. These drugs are WHAT wiped out my immune system.

Then you are fair game to most anything.

So why on earth is Jan taking medications which are just going to
cover up her real problem and give her side effects? Has not Jan
learned that the medications are just going to cause her problems??
She must be addicted to these medications if she cannot stop them??

Some day Jan will blame Elavil and Neurontin for wiping out her immune
system or causing some other health problem. Then she will blame her
doctors for not warning her about the side effects of Elavil and
Neurontin. Some things are so predicable.

Aloha,

Rich

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The best defense to logic is ignorance

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Anth said:

Says Rich who thinks niacin causes hepatoxicity and the flush reaction

with

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niacin is a sign of toxicity.
Anth

Thanx for your important and relevant contribution to this thread
Anth.

It appears as if Anth is adopting the tactics of Jan Drew; instead of
discussing the topic, divert attention by making a personal attack.
Speaking of personal attacks, Jan Drew will soon be along to do her
thing. Just watch.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi%3Fcmd%3DRetrieve%26db%3DPubMed%26list_uids%3D8284714%26dopt%3DAbstract&e=7620

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http://www.crackpots.org/purif3.htm

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/nia_0184.shtml

Quoted message said:

Watch how Anth completely rejects the above links which document the
toxic effects of Niacin including flushing (mild toxicity) and
hepatotoxicity (more serious toxicity). Anyone interested in the toxic
effects of Niacin can do a search with "niacin" and "hepatotoxicity".

Aloha,

Rich

My grandson (at age 3-1/2) got into some Niacin which a neighbor
had sitting outside on a table, took some, and was rushed to
the hospital. Getting the affect of Niacin was the neighbor's
method of getting "high".

(DRCEEPHD) said:

It is, at least according to Revolations.

Is that like RPM ?

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The prophesy was " ...whole nations will be deceived by your medicines". The
"your" means Satin.

What do sheets have to do with it ?
--

W_B

Take out the G'RBAGE
[email hidden]

In article <[email hidden]>,

(DRCEEPHD) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
From: Orac [email hidden]
Date: 5/17/04 7:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Wrong. I don't hate "alternative medicine." Indeed, I occasionally even
recommend one or two "alt" treatments to my patients.

At what cost to your prestige and your malpractice insurance?
As I understand it, if a doc in California even suggests an alt treatment the
doc can be fined $10,000 and can lose his licence to cut, burn, poison, and
kill to his heart's content.

Oh really? Can you provide evidence to back up that assertion?

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

Anth said:

Says Orac who is out to demonise alt med.

LOL! If you don't believe me when I say I don't hate alt-med, fine.
That's your perogative. But it's true. I don't hate it.

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Sooner or later the truth is going to come out and people like you are going
to take a big hit.

Actually, more likely, when the clinical studies are finally actually
done, precious few of the plethora of "alt med" remedies will be shown
to have any efficacy. I'll happily use the ones that do. Unfortunately,
alties will continue to be gullible enough to keep using the ones that
don't.

--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

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Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 5/17/2004 12:22 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(That can be turned around and applied to you)
Anth

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Your whole posting history is proof of how blinded you are by your
hatred of conventional medicine.

[Snip]

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Orac

That is a REPEATED lie.

Nope.

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I have REPEATEDLY proven.

Really? When?

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It is STILL repeated.

Bronze it in your brain Orac and STOP lying.

I go by posting history, and it's hard to argue that your posting
history is not overwhelmingly negative (downright vitriolic, even)
towards conventional medicine and therapies. I'll tell you what, Jan.
Let us know how many times you've made posts disparaging conventional
medicine (so many times, I've lost count--and I've seen nowhere near all
the nasty posts you've made). Then let us know how many times you've
made posts praising (or at least remaining relatively neutral towards)
conventional medicine (OK, there's one--the one you cited).

Let's see what the ratio is. I'll bet it's at least 100:1 in favor of
the vitriolic attacks against conventional medicine, if not even higher.

Just because you occasionally post the odd disclaimer or two saying that
you don't "hate" conventional medicine doesn't make up for the dozens
upon dozens of posts in which you gleefully savage "conventional
medicine (nor does calling me a "liar" for pointing it out). In your
post, you made a great show of saying that you didn't hate individual
doctors or consider them evil but that you DID consider organized
medicine "evil." (Of course, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by
"organized medicine." Do you mean the AMA? State Medical Boards? The
academic establishement?) In any case, organized medicine is the face of
"conventional medicine."

So you like some individual doctors. Goody for you (I'm not so sure if
it's goody for them, however). That's all very nice. But day after day,
month after month, year after year, you infest this newsgroup, launching
attack after attack against "conventional medicine" (or, as you like to
call it, "organized medicine"😉. Moreover, you frequently overlook the
questionable and unproven "treatments" some unscrupulous
alt-practitioners foist upon an unsuspecting public, indeed often
praising them to high heaven, ignoring all the evidence showing them to
be ineffective, clearly wrong scientifically, or even dangerous. Your
pit bull-like defense of Hulda Clark against any criticism is a prime
example. Anyone who has the temerity to point out that there is no
evidence that flukes cause cancer (much less "all" cancer), no evidence
that the zapper does anything biologically relevant, and no evidence
that Hulda has ever truly cured anyone of cancer who hadn't already been
cured with conventional therapy, risks instant attack from you.

So, yes, I stand by my observation. I don't really care if it pisses you
off or not. Your hatred of conventional medicine and therapies has
blinded you to even the most obvious quacks among "alternative"
practitioners. Quacks like Hulda Clark.

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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Orac said:

(Of course, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by
"organized medicine."

<cutting to the chase>.

It is apparent that Jan invokes "organized medicine" or "evil
organized medicine" whenever someone says something that is endorsed
by conventional medicine and Jan disagrees with it. You see giving
Ritalin to any child in any case would invoke charges of evil
organized medicine because Jan is against it. Jan will also invoke
organized medicine when someone takes a prescription medication that
Jan deems to be only covering up the problem and not dealing with the
root of the problem.

Of course when Jan Drew takes Elavil and Neurontin for her peripheral
neuropathy that is fine even though neither is dealing with the root
of the problem and both are just covering up her symptoms and taking
away her pain. Jan can't explain why on earth she is taking medication
that is just covering up her problem, causing side effects, and
leaving her open to problems in the future. After all Jan blames
pharmaceuticals for causing her health problems in the first place.
Now she voluntarily takes more medications that do nothing but cover
up her pain. You see it is OK for Jan Drew to take meds that help her
feel better. When others do it she often ridicules them for taking
something that covers up the problem and does not deal with the root
of the problem. Hypocrisy at its finest.

Aloha,

Rich

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Your
pit bull-like defense of Hulda Clark against any criticism is a prime
example.

Defense?? Jan *actively* promotes this fraud by posting cites to her
quack remedies like the zapper and cleanses.

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So, yes, I stand by my observation. I don't really care if it pisses you
off or not. Your hatred of conventional medicine and therapies has
blinded you to even the most obvious quacks among "alternative"
practitioners. Quacks like Hulda Clark.

Jan Drew is a shill, plain and simple.

Aloha,

Rich

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Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
From: W_B [email hidden]
Date: 5/18/04 5:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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The prophesy was " ...whole nations will be deceived by your medicines". The
"your" means Satin.

What do sheets have to do with it ?
--

Heck!

Just like in honors English in college. An A for content...a D for spelling
errors.

You English majors may keep it up.
You still do not know the medical truth from a medical lie.

Modern medicine is based upon scientific fraud. This keeps the little people
from questioning your lies and the arrogant, [censored] docs in line as well.
Modern medicine is a deception, and I think a deception perpetratred by the
master of deception... Satan ( with an a ).

DrC PhD ( A PhD clearly not in typing or proof reading )

We experienced this in Canada back 5 years ago. They fought a legal battle
with the doc until his funds ran out after ten years and he lost. No doc
licence anymore and he is not a Naturopathic Doctor either...rotten
[censored]. This guy helped many people with a combination of techniques.

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Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
From: Orac [email hidden]
Date: 5/17/04 7:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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Wrong. I don't hate "alternative medicine." Indeed, I occasionally even
recommend one or two "alt" treatments to my patients.

At what cost to your prestige and your malpractice insurance?
As I understand it, if a doc in California even suggests an alt treatment

the

Quoted message said:

doc can be fined $10,000 and can lose his licence to cut, burn, poison,

and

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kill to his heart's content.

DrC PhD

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
From: Orac [email hidden]
Date: 5/18/2004 3:51 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

In article <[email hidden]>,

(Jan) said:

Quoted message said:

Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
From: "Anth" [email hidden]
Date: 5/17/2004 12:22 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

(That can be turned around and applied to you)
Anth

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> Your whole posting history is proof of how blinded you are by your
> hatred of conventional medicine.
>
> [Snip]
>
> --
> Orac

That is a REPEATED lie.

Nope.

And there another. Proving organized medicine people won't believe the truth
when it is right in front of their nose.

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Bronze it in your brain Orac and STOP lying.

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I go by

GO BY MY WORDS AND LET IT SOAK IN.

Not by your LYING TWISTING WORDS.

From: Jan ([email hidden])
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Subject: Re: WHO Declares Europe and Central Asia Polio Free
From: [email hidden] (Mark)
Date: 7/3/02 12:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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(Jan) said:

Doctors Are The Third Leading Cause of Death in the US, Causing 250,000

Deaths

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Every Year

Note the topic: "WHO declares Europe and Central Asia Polio Free"

Note the diversion: "Doctors Are ..."

Jan cannot stand the idea that there is any value in medicine at all.

Missed this post by Peter, once again he lies.

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Except Elavil and Neurontin.

Wrong.

From past posts:

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Some are INDEED,,,,,,and God Bless them.

WOW! What a concession. Can we bronze this message?

From: Jan ([email hidden])
Subject: Re: Re Why are people turning to alt. medicine?
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 2002-02-02 19:24:24 PST

That's where everyone takes me wrong. I have often explained that I
appreciate the many dedicated doctors we have and the wonderful technology. NOT
all doctors or medical people are a part of the organization. As a matter of
fact many fight against it and can tell some whoppers.The *organization* itself
is where the evil lies. Read about it in Racketeering in Medicine.

What is so strange about that? I have stated many times the evils of
organized medicine, I have also stated that there are many good dedicated
doctors who carry a hugh responsibility, and THANK GOD for them. My young
doctor
is very dedicated as is my CRA's hubby who just graduated from med school. Both
will tell you the evils of organized medicine.

My heart goes out to the dedicated medical people, God Bless them.

I can see how you would get that idea for just one post. However previously
Ihave made it plain that I appreciated the great responsibility of
dedicated doctors. It is the *organization* that is the problem. Many doctors
are NOT apart of it, and they will tell you of even more of the evils.

Bad doctors? To answer your question. Yes I would either call 911 or rush the
child to the ER room. And I would greatly appreciated the doctor who could
help my child. Where do you get the idea that I think all doctors are bad? I
have often said there are MANY dedicated doctors who carry a great
responsibility,,,,,,,,,and THANK GOD for them.

! It is organized medicine that I believe is relentless NOT individual
doctors! I happen to know and APPRECIATE many dedicated doctors.

.. Just reading the history of *organized* medcine is an eye opener.
That certainly doesn't mean that we don't have very good dedicated doctors
that carry a great responsibility. Thank God for them. My concerns are that
there are many good alternative methods that are working, but are not being
accepted because they didn't come from the organization. In reading the history
The ADA tried to buy the methods they knew were working and when the seller
refused, he was told his method would never see the light of day. Then they set
out to ruin him personally One of these stories is about Dr Semmelweis who
introduced hand washing. He got the same treatment. One fair and honest doctor
said, let's give this young man a chance. After taking away his privileges and
trying to ruin him, he was later considered to be one of the best surgeons in
the world. The hesitation on the part of organized medicine cost some lives.

God Bless those many dedicated doctors who carry a great responsibility and
do their best by their patients.The problem is, there is *organized* medicine.
They would like to stop anything alt. and call it BS WITHOUT any proof.

Organized medicine does not mean we don't have very dedicated doctors. It
is much the same as politics. Anyone one who believes it isn't organized
should talk to a new dcotor who has just graduated. Medicine is indeed
organized mainly for control.

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Oh? And you don't lump all pharmaceutical companies together? And '*organized

medicine*'?That's correct, never have. I know a lot of doctors who are NOT a
part of organized medicine. They can tell you even MORE of the evils. And thank
God for dedicated doctors. Perhaps you overlooked that in my posts?

Not by me they're not. I respect good doctors. Many have certainly
earned respect. I have a neighbor who is in his third year of med school. He
isworking very hard and is a great guy. He also believes in alternative.
That's what I like to see.

Agreed! I just hope that both can keep an open mind. Both my Aunt and Uncle
have
had back and neck surgery and they are doing fine. The surgeon is a great guy
and took time with the family after each operation.

Well you are wrong. I have never said I despised doctors, quite the
contary. Both my Aunt and Uncle recently had necessary surgery and the surgeon
was awonderful man who did a wonderful job.

How very true. For example one might think that I hate all MD's. Not so, I
am grateful for the good ones. My Aunt had back surgery this week. Her surgeon
was wonderful! He drew us a diagram of what he did, and took time for all
our questions. Next day, I called and someone answered. We were cutting up as
hetold me he was Buba.(I didn't know I was talking to the doc) He then said,
Oh yeah this is Jan who is going to clean her house for the next two months.
He had picked up on the teasing of the day before when I told my uncle, that
I DIDN'T do dishes. A really nice guy who did a great job and very down to
earth. Wouldn't it be great if we could know the thoughts behind the words
here??

I have been in Florida for a while and am not seeing anyone. I will hear
moreabout this when I get home. MY CRA's hubby is now an MD. I have the best
of both worlds.

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Please bronze this one Mark as I am quite tired of this untrue accusation.

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Funny...she'll "cite" the "research" by
entities like the NVIC and argue against immunization,

Wrong again. I argue when it is said there are no side effects. I have NOT
argued against immunization.

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but it seems
like she has neglected to read the package insert on her own meds.

Nope.

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If
she had read it, we'd all be talking about arrhythmias and
cardiomyopathy (Elavil), tumorigenic potential and sudden unexplained
death (Neurontin), and how her EVIL MD is trying to poison her.

My MD is not evil. I would not be taking drugs if I had a choice, as a matter
of fact, I don't believe I would have had a weakended immune sytstem which led
to the problem of the mercury amalgams leaking and causing both mercury
poisoning and PN had it NOT been for the fact that I was on many drugs for
years for my headache. These drugs are WHAT wiped out my immune system.

Then you are fair game to most anything.

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But
then again, if it happens, it'll just be another needless death caused
by the evil and incompetent members of "Organized Medicine"

000000000000000000000000

A bit of a twist there Mark MD and completely dishonest. The many needless
deaths are mistakes are caused by over worked medicial staff and the fact that
conv, medicine has a piece meal system at best in reporting,,,,,,,,,, and
procedures which kill are STILL being used.

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Mark, MD

Get your shorts out of a wad and quit posting things that are NOT true.

Jan

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Subject: Re: "lies" vs "errors"
From: W_B [email hidden]
Date: 5/18/04 5:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <[email hidden]>

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The prophesy was " ...whole nations will be deceived by your medicines".

The

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"your" means Satin.

What do sheets have to do with it ?
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Heck!

Just like in honors English in college. An A for content...a D for

spelling

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errors.

You English majors may keep it up.
You still do not know the medical truth from a medical lie.

The distinction?

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Modern medicine is based upon scientific fraud.

An example?

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Modern medicine is a deception

Specifics?

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Subject: "lies" vs "errors"
From: [email hidden] (George Lagergren)
Date: 5/19/2004 9:52 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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George...

are you set to HTML???

very difficult to read what you are quoting...

thanks
hawki.....