Shin Splints

In article <[email hidden]>,

Merlin said:

Im after advice feedback that anyone may have on shin splints.
Ive taken up running on a regular basis although ive always been a runner.
Since pushing myself that little bit more I've come to have shin splints.
Ive stopped running the last 2 weeks and still have the soreness.

How can I overcome the pain and prevent it once it comes good.
I know the obvious preventative measures, ie run on grass and warm up,
stretch before slogging ones self.

What shoes do you wear?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Merlin said:

Im after advice feedback that anyone may have on shin splints.
Ive taken up running on a regular basis although ive always been a runner.
Since pushing myself that little bit more I've come to have shin splints.
Ive stopped running the last 2 weeks and still have the soreness.

How can I overcome the pain and prevent it once it comes good.
I know the obvious preventative measures, ie run on grass and warm up,
stretch before slogging ones self.

Those "obvious preventative measures" won't help much.

The most likely cause is "pushing" yourself "that little bit more".

Could you briefly describe your training program, both before and after
injury ? Include the number of miles run and pace you run at.

Also, I agree with Om -- shoes are an important factor. What sort of
shoes are you wearing (brand *and* model number), and why did you choose
those shoes ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

"Merlin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

Im after advice feedback that anyone may have on shin splints.
Ive taken up running on a regular basis although ive always been a runner.
Since pushing myself that little bit more I've come to have shin splints.
Ive stopped running the last 2 weeks and still have the soreness.

How can I overcome the pain and prevent it once it comes good.
I know the obvious preventative measures, ie run on grass and warm up,
stretch before slogging ones self.

Besides the training technique and footwear - once the pain subsides, you
might want to do some exercises to strengthen your tibialis (the muscle on
the front of your shin). I seem to recall that muscular imbalance between
the gastroc and tibialis can be a contiributing factor.

Merlin said:

Im after advice feedback that anyone may have on shin splints.
Ive taken up running on a regular basis although ive always been a runner.
Since pushing myself that little bit more I've come to have shin splints.
Ive stopped running the last 2 weeks and still have the soreness.

How can I overcome the pain and prevent it once it comes good.
I know the obvious preventative measures, ie run on grass and warm up,
stretch before slogging ones self.

Dear stupid, even though you posted this to the muscle-bound [censored]
group, instead of the intelligent runners group, I'll help you.
Rest is the only thing that helps a shin slint. But are you sure it's
a shin splint? A self diagnosis is usually wrong. Try new shoes, they
are almost always the cause, and bad shoes can mimic shin slpint
symptoms. NO NIKES, and go to a real running shop where they can
observe you running, and recommend the right shoe for you. You will
spend at least 70 to 90$ for a decent pair.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

On Sat, 27 Aug 2005 10:47:57 -0400, The Bill Rodgers <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Rest is the only thing that helps a shin slint.

And it sometimes takes as much as 8 weeks to heal. Shin Splints is
used to cover a wide array of shin pain, however a true shin slint is
a stress fracture, and requires healing time just like any other
broken bone.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Merlin" <[email hidden]> writes:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

How can I overcome the pain and prevent it once it comes good.
I know the obvious preventative measures, ie run on grass and warm up,
stretch before slogging ones self.

I agree with the "shoe" suggestion.

Years ago, when I was running outside (I stick to the treadmill,
these days) I developed a mild case of shin splints. I changed my
shoes out for a pair of cross-trainers that gave me better support
and never experienced the problem again.

--
Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything upon
spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
[email hidden] | - W. K. Clifford, ca. 1876

Thanks for all the feedback ive received so far.
Ive always been a runner however short distance which I guess hasnt been a
problem as far as over exertion.
Ive recently joined an athletics club although my training hasnt been pushed
up too much as far as time and distance goes. Ive started doing interval
runs and running more regularly so therefore I suppose giving myself lest
rest.
I use Nike Air Max shoes, purely because previously I had adidas and had
joint problems and a Doctor reccomended I purchase a shoe with maximum
cushioning. Compared to anything else Nike Air Max has seemed to served me
well. I also had a short bout with asics and still favoured the Nike shoes.
I also do roll my foot in my stride and I say that because the outer heel of
my shoe wears out first and is noticeable.

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
"Merlin" <[email hidden]> writes:
[snip]

Quoted message said:

How can I overcome the pain and prevent it once it comes good.
I know the obvious preventative measures, ie run on grass and warm up,
stretch before slogging ones self.

I agree with the "shoe" suggestion.

Years ago, when I was running outside (I stick to the treadmill,
these days) I developed a mild case of shin splints. I changed my
shoes out for a pair of cross-trainers that gave me better support
and never experienced the problem again.

--
Jim Seymour | "It is wrong always, everywhere and
WARNING: The "From:" address is a | for everyone to believe anything
upon
spam trap. DON'T USE IT! Use: | insufficient evidence."
[email hidden] | - W. K. Clifford, ca.
1876

Merlin said:

Thanks for all the feedback ive received so far.
Ive always been a runner however short distance which I guess hasnt been a
problem as far as over exertion.
Ive recently joined an athletics club although my training hasnt been pushed
up too much as far as time and distance goes. Ive started doing interval
runs and running more regularly so therefore I suppose giving myself lest
rest.
I use Nike Air Max shoes, purely because previously I had adidas and had
joint problems and a Doctor reccomended I purchase a shoe with maximum
cushioning. Compared to anything else Nike Air Max has seemed to served me
well. I also had a short bout with asics and still favoured the Nike shoes.
I also do roll my foot in my stride and I say that because the outer heel of
my shoe wears out first and is noticeable.

See your doctor, of course. Stop running.

That second one is pretty important because even if all the advice
here is right your body is telling you it needs time to heal. While
you are figuring all this out STOP RUNNING. Trying to run "through
the pain" is a surefire way to develop a lifelong nagging injury.

--
Is this thing on?

Merlin said:

I use Nike Air Max shoes,

No matter what else you read, hear from salesman, or THINK you know,
the nikes are your problem. Upping your mileage too fast is certainly
a contributing factor, but nikes suck, and will cause you nothing but
grief until you replace them. There are FAR SUPERIOR shoes out there
for a 1/3 less money. Buy them.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

In article <[email hidden]>,

Merlin said:

Thanks for all the feedback ive received so far.
Ive always been a runner however short distance which I guess hasnt been a
problem as far as over exertion.
Ive recently joined an athletics club although my training hasnt been pushed
up too much as far as time and distance goes. Ive started doing interval
runs and running more regularly so therefore I suppose giving myself lest
rest.
I use Nike Air Max shoes, purely because previously I had adidas and had
joint problems and a Doctor reccomended I purchase a shoe with maximum
cushioning. Compared to anything else Nike Air Max has seemed to served me
well. I also had a short bout with asics and still favoured the Nike shoes.
I also do roll my foot in my stride and I say that because the outer heel of
my shoe wears out first and is noticeable.

I hate to say this, but I learned the hard way to not take the advice of
a foot doctor when it comes to shoes. When I followed a podiatrists
advice, my foot problems got WORSE.

When I went totally against his advice and switched to mocassins for my
work shoes for about 6 months (they wore out after that, holes in the
soles), my foot problems went away. I now wear Earth Shoes at the
suggestion of one of the ER docs. He wears them too. ;-) Have had no
foot problems since.

The podiatrist had this thing about wearing stiff soles so the foot did
not bend during walking. I was getting a calcium deposit, causing pain,
at the mid-foot to the outside where the tarsal bone from the little toe
met the metatarsal. He told me to never wear bare feet.

Well, I went on vacation for two weeks and hardly wore shoes at all, and
all of my foot pain cleared up. So much for THAT theory!

Mama nature knows best it seems...

Anyway, for suggestions on a good cross training shoe, ask here or ask a
doctor that specializes in sports issues, or a good coach.

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Bill Rodgers said:

Merlin said:

I use Nike Air Max shoes,

No matter what else you read, hear from salesman, or THINK you know,
the nikes are your problem. Upping your mileage too fast is certainly
a contributing factor, but nikes suck, and will cause you nothing but
grief until you replace them. There are FAR SUPERIOR shoes out there
for a 1/3 less money. Buy them.

TBR

Another reason to consider not buying Nike products is that most of
their products are made in Pakistan using Child slave Labor. Socker
balls especially. This is just one reference, many more can be googled:

http://www.american.edu/projects/mandala/TED/nike.htm

It's pretty sick really, but boycotting is probably not the answer to
this problem. Slavery overall is still very real in other third world
countries.

Sorry for the soapbox, but everytime I hear of or see the brand "Nike"
it reminds me of this very sad fact.

When is the world going to grow up???
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

Merlin said:

Ive recently joined an athletics club although my training hasnt been pushed
up too much as far as time and distance goes. Ive started doing interval
runs and running more regularly so therefore I suppose giving myself lest
rest.

The interval training is the most likely cause. How often do you do this ?
What sort of workouts do you do ? Do you do your interval workouts with your
running club ?

Quoted message said:

I use Nike Air Max shoes, purely because previously I had adidas and had
joint problems and a Doctor reccomended I purchase a shoe with maximum
cushioning.

What sort of "joint problems" ?

Quoted message said:

Compared to anything else Nike Air Max has seemed to served me
well. I also had a short bout with asics and still favoured the Nike shoes.
I also do roll my foot in my stride and I say that because the outer heel of
my shoe wears out first and is noticeable.

You should get more wear on the outside of the heel, and the inside of the
toe so this is normal. But the heel shouldn't break down before the rest
of the shoe. Maybe you're overstriding, which increases impact. How many
steps do you take per minute when you run ?

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Anyway, for suggestions on a good cross training shoe

There ARE NO GOOD CROSSTRAING SHOES TO RUN IN! A running shoe is a
running shoe, a basketball shoe a basketbalkl shoe, no combination
(crosstraining) shoe comes close top doing the job. Buy the specific
shoe for the job.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Another reason to consider not buying Nike products is that most of
their products are made in Pakistan using Child slave Labor. Socker
balls especially. This is just one reference, many more can be googled:

http://www.american.edu/projects/mandala/TED/nike.htm

It's pretty sick really, but boycotting is probably not the answer to
this problem. Slavery overall is still very real in other third world
countries.

Sorry for the soapbox, but everytime I hear of or see the brand "Nike"
it reminds me of this very sad fact.

Also consider the QC issues, and most importantly the fact you'll pay
about 30% more for nikes than a comparable shoe in another brand, due
to nikes extensive advertising budget. Nikes are designer shoes, not
athletic shoes.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Bill Rodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Another reason to consider not buying Nike products is that most of
their products are made in Pakistan using Child slave Labor. Socker
balls especially. This is just one reference, many more can be googled:

http://www.american.edu/projects/mandala/TED/nike.htm

It's pretty sick really, but boycotting is probably not the answer to
this problem. Slavery overall is still very real in other third world
countries.

Sorry for the soapbox, but everytime I hear of or see the brand "Nike"
it reminds me of this very sad fact.

Also consider the QC issues, and most importantly the fact you'll pay
about 30% more for nikes than a comparable shoe in another brand, due
to nikes extensive advertising budget. Nikes are designer shoes, not
athletic shoes.

TBR

That's an excellent point.

See? When you try, you actually have some good advice!
So knock off the troll behavior already!

Cheers!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

So knock off the troll behavior already!

Whatever you say...numbnutz (sorry, old habits die hard)

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

At least you make me laugh some of the time.
The "[censored]" URL's were a bit over the top tho'. :-P
That was not funny, and I have a generous sense of humor.

Why complain to me? Complain to the poster, who MYSTERIOUSLY uses a
faked, anonymous email address.
Notice the unexplained dissapearance of "Jim"? I blocked him, and
stopped responding, and he's gone, the same pattern he had on RMMB. Of
course when he reads this he'll return, but as long as you don't quote
him, it bothers me not.
BTW, I hope you turned his addy in for hate messages? I did, and I'm
sure those "N" cartoons will get him booted. His ISP has a file 3"
thick on him, so every complkaint gets him closer to "ISP shopping"
(which he's rather experienced at already).

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

In article <[email hidden]>,

The Bill Rodgers said:

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

At least you make me laugh some of the time.
The "[censored]" URL's were a bit over the top tho'. :-P
That was not funny, and I have a generous sense of humor.

Why complain to me? Complain to the poster, who MYSTERIOUSLY uses a
faked, anonymous email address.

Ah! Sorry.
I don't download details into the browser.

Ever consider changing ID's for a bit to lose the stalker?

Quoted message said:

Notice the unexplained dissapearance of "Jim"? I blocked him, and
stopped responding, and he's gone, the same pattern he had on RMMB. Of
course when he reads this he'll return, but as long as you don't quote
him, it bothers me not.
BTW, I hope you turned his addy in for hate messages? I did, and I'm
sure those "N" cartoons will get him booted. His ISP has a file 3"
thick on him, so every complkaint gets him closer to "ISP shopping"
(which he's rather experienced at already).

TBR

Yes, I will do that.
It's just nasty enough, his ISP might actually care.
A lot of them don't give a damn.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

Ah! Sorry.
I don't download details into the browser.

Can't blame ya there.

Quoted message said:

Ever consider changing ID's for a bit to lose the stalker?

Why? He'll just pick up on it right away, and adjust. That would only
create more confusion as to my ID.

Quoted message said:

Yes, I will do that.
It's just nasty enough, his ISP might actually care.
A lot of them don't give a damn.

He's pretty good at his game, I bet he already has an ISP who doesn't
care, but I think they all care at some point, it's just a matter of
how many complaints they get, and how far he pushes it. I'd say he's
gone well beyond what any ISP would tolerate at this point, so he's
worth reporting.

TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."