Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call it. A goat remains a goat, even if you call it an elephant. You can even firmly, sincerely, believe it is an elephant, but such belief doesn't change the goat's reality.
Other nouns have no objective reality, except as defined by each individual. Athlete, for example. Some believe an athlete is anyone who participates in an athletic event. Other require some degree of hard work and effort to be an athlete. Others require a given degree of success at the competition level.
It's entirely subjective, and makes for an astondingly boring debate.
Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call it. A goat remains a goat, even if you call it an elephant. You can even firmly, sincerely, believe it is an elephant, but such belief doesn't change the goat's reality.
Other nouns have no objective reality, except as defined by each individual. Athlete, for example. Some believe an athlete is anyone who participates in an athletic event. Other require some degree of hard work and effort to be an athlete. Others require a given degree of success at the competition level.
It's entirely subjective, and makes for an astondingly boring debate.
So...
SIT DOWN, SHUT UP!!
You know who you are.
David
Some people think their crappy choice of a dog...a pit bull for example...is the best choice. When everybody knows that a "mostly" lab puppy is far superior. You people with crappy dog tastes know who you are.
And my dog is very athletic. I'd say more athletic than yours. Which means yours isn't an athletic dog, therefore not an athlete. More of a wannabe athlete couch potato dog. -- -Larry
Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call it. A goat remains a goat, even if you call it an elephant. You can even firmly, sincerely, believe it is an elephant, but such belief doesn't change the goat's reality.
Other nouns have no objective reality, except as defined by each individual. Athlete, for example. Some believe an athlete is anyone who participates in an athletic event. Other require some degree of hard work and effort to be an athlete. Others require a given degree of success at the competition level.
It's entirely subjective, and makes for an astondingly boring debate.
So...
SIT DOWN, SHUT UP!!
You know who you are.
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Some people think their crappy choice of a dog...a pit bull for example...is the best choice. When everybody knows that a "mostly" lab puppy is far superior. You people with crappy dog tastes know who you are.
And my dog is very athletic. I'd say more athletic than yours. Which means yours isn't an athletic dog, therefore not an athlete. More of a wannabe athlete couch potato dog.
Look, I tried to bring the discussion around to your nude butt sticking to a vinyl beanbag chair, but you didn't want to go there for some reason.
I read an interesting line today that made me think of you. It was a Jewish woman scoffing at her brother for putting on airs in Europe - he was riding polo ponies - and she quoted some aphorisms: "If a poor man eats a chicken then one of them was sick. If a Jew rides a horse then one of them is an ass." I don't necessarily agree with her, but it made me think of you.
It's worth disclosing here that my [goyish] father used to raise thoroughbreds and I thoroughly hate horses because of the sacrifice being "horsey people" required of our family. I also hate it because I'm a capitalist and the thought of trying to make money off of anything that eats and has vet bills is a laughably bad idea.
It's worth disclosing here that my [goyish] father used to raise thoroughbreds and I thoroughly hate horses because of the sacrifice being "horsey people" required of our family.
That seems unfair; it's clearly not the horses' fault.
It's worth disclosing here that my [goyish] father used to raise thoroughbreds and I thoroughly hate horses because of the sacrifice being "horsey people" required of our family.
That seems unfair; it's clearly not the horses' fault.
I agree. That's why I disclosed my personal baggage that colors my feelings about horses.
Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call it. A goat remains a goat, even if you call it an elephant. You can even firmly, sincerely, believe it is an elephant, but such belief doesn't change the goat's reality.
Other nouns have no objective reality, except as defined by each individual. Athlete, for example.
"Athlete" does have objective reality. I've beaten this to death already.
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Some believe
As you argue quite eloquently, sometimes, it happens that some "beliefs" are simply better than others.
As a general rule, the ones that have some factual basis are usually better.
As another general rule, claiming that ones own belief is "better", without having factual basis in support that claim is simply hubris.
Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call it. A goat remains a goat, even if you call it an elephant. You can even firmly, sincerely, believe it is an elephant, but such belief doesn't change the goat's reality.
Other nouns have no objective reality, except as defined by each individual. Athlete, for example. Some believe an athlete is anyone who participates in an athletic event. Other require some degree of hard work and effort to be an athlete. Others require a given degree of success at the competition level.
It's entirely subjective, and makes for an astondingly boring debate.
So...
SIT DOWN, SHUT UP!!
You know who you are.
David
They're still at it on the "athlete" thing. This is as bad as the last election. We need more posts on guns and dogs. -- -Larry
Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call it. A goat remains a goat, even if you call it an elephant. You can even firmly, sincerely, believe it is an elephant, but such belief doesn't change the goat's reality.
Other nouns have no objective reality, except as defined by each individual. Athlete, for example. Some believe an athlete is anyone who participates in an athletic event. Other require some degree of hard work and effort to be an athlete. Others require a given degree of success at the competition level.
It's entirely subjective, and makes for an astondingly boring debate.
So...
SIT DOWN, SHUT UP!!
You know who you are.
David
They're still at it on the "athlete" thing. This is as bad as the last election. We need more posts on guns and dogs.
Dogs are athletes too, if you use Wendy as a yardstick, she is 'plainly' barking!! ;o)
Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call it. A goat remains a goat, even if you call it an elephant. You can even firmly, sincerely, believe it is an elephant, but such belief doesn't change the goat's reality.
Other nouns have no objective reality, except as defined by each individual. Athlete, for example. Some believe an athlete is anyone who participates in an athletic event. Other require some degree of hard work and effort to be an athlete. Others require a given degree of success at the competition level.
It's entirely subjective, and makes for an astondingly boring debate.
So...
SIT DOWN, SHUT UP!!
You know who you are.
They're still at it on the "athlete" thing. This is as bad as the last election. We need more posts on guns and dogs.
Dogs are athletes too, if you use Wendy as a yardstick, she is 'plainly' barking!! ;o)
And the participants are all sticking to their guns, so, we've got both of my favorite OTs covered.
Still a stupid argument.
However, chocolate IS the "best" flavor of ice cream.
On 4 Aug 2005 01:11:05 -0700, "David Cohen" <[email hidden]>
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David Cohen wrote: > Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call it. > A goat remains a goat, even if you call it an elephant. You can even > firmly, sincerely, believe it is an elephant, but such belief doesn't > change the goat's reality. > > Other nouns have no objective reality, except as defined by each > individual. Athlete, for example. Some believe an athlete is anyone > who participates in an athletic event. Other require some degree of > hard work and effort to be an athlete. Others require a given degree > of success at the competition level. > > It's entirely subjective, and makes for an astondingly boring debate. > > So... > > SIT DOWN, SHUT UP!! > > You know who you are.
They're still at it on the "athlete" thing. This is as bad as the last election. We need more posts on guns and dogs.
Dogs are athletes too, if you use Wendy as a yardstick, she is 'plainly' barking!! ;o)
And the participants are all sticking to their guns, so, we've got both of my favorite OTs covered.
And all is well with the world and MFW too! ;o)
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Still a stupid argument.
They mostly are, but then there are dogs and then there are athletic dogs, and then there are gun dogs!!
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However, chocolate IS the "best" flavor of ice cream.
"Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote: >David Cohen wrote: >> Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call it. >> A goat remains a goat, even if you call it an elephant. You can even >> firmly, sincerely, believe it is an elephant, but such belief doesn't >> change the goat's reality. >> >> Other nouns have no objective reality, except as defined by each >> individual. Athlete, for example. Some believe an athlete is anyone >> who participates in an athletic event. Other require some degree of >> hard work and effort to be an athlete. Others require a given degree >> of success at the competition level. >> >> It's entirely subjective, and makes for an astondingly boring debate. >> >> So... >> >> SIT DOWN, SHUT UP!! >> >> You know who you are. > >They're still at it on the "athlete" thing. This is as bad as the last >election. We need more posts on guns and dogs.
Dogs are athletes too, if you use Wendy as a yardstick, she is 'plainly' barking!! ;o)
And the participants are all sticking to their guns, so, we've got both of my favorite OTs covered.
And all is well with the world and MFW too! ;o)
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Still a stupid argument.
They mostly are, but then there are dogs and then there are athletic dogs, and then there are gun dogs!!
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However, chocolate IS the "best" flavor of ice cream.
Coffee for me, are you buying? ;o)
Oh, only a fool would believe that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream. Have you got any facts to back up your absurd claim that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream? I doubt it.
"Best ice cream" clearly has an objectively definable reality, and that reality is CHOCOLATE!
Look, I tried to bring the discussion around to your nude butt sticking to a vinyl beanbag chair, but you didn't want to go there for some reason.
I was thrown out of a bar in New York City.
[You'll get the references eventually.]
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I read an interesting line today that made me think of you. It was a Jewish woman scoffing at her brother for putting on airs in Europe - he was riding polo ponies - and she quoted some aphorisms: "If a poor man eats a chicken then one of them was sick.
That makes no sense whatsoever.
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If a Jew rides a horse then one of them is an ass." I don't necessarily agree with her, but it made me think of you.
Because of my love of horses? My jpegs of the wild mustangs? My postings about my riding lessons?
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It's worth disclosing here that my [goyish] father used to raise thoroughbreds and I thoroughly hate horses because of the sacrifice being "horsey people" required of our family. I also hate it because I'm a capitalist and the thought of trying to make money off of anything that eats and has vet bills is a laughably bad idea.
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> >> > >> So... > >> > >> SIT DOWN, SHUT UP!! > >> > >> You know who you are. > > > >They're still at it on the "athlete" thing. This is as bad as the
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> >election. We need more posts on guns and dogs. > > Dogs are athletes too, if you use Wendy as a yardstick, she is > 'plainly' barking!! ;o)
And the participants are all sticking to their guns, so, we've got both of my favorite OTs covered.
And all is well with the world and MFW too! ;o)
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Still a stupid argument.
They mostly are, but then there are dogs and then there are athletic dogs, and then there are gun dogs!!
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However, chocolate IS the "best" flavor of ice cream.
Coffee for me, are you buying? ;o)
Oh, only a fool would believe that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream. Have you got any facts to back up your absurd claim that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream? I doubt it.
"Best ice cream" clearly has an objectively definable reality, and that reality is CHOCOLATE!
Look, you made me raise my voice 🙁
David
Absolutely. Chocolate ripple with nuts in fact with hot fudge sauce. When I visit I thought we could get a couple of quarts and just pig out in a park somewhere and wait to get picked up by a couple of dancers.
On 4 Aug 2005 02:39:45 -0700, "David Cohen" <[email hidden]>
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Charles wrote: > "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote: > >David Cohen wrote: > >> Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call it. > >> A goat remains a goat, even if you call it an elephant. You can even > >> firmly, sincerely, believe it is an elephant, but such belief doesn't > >> change the goat's reality. > >> > >> Other nouns have no objective reality, except as defined by each > >> individual. Athlete, for example. Some believe an athlete is anyone > >> who participates in an athletic event. Other require some degree of > >> hard work and effort to be an athlete. Others require a given degree > >> of success at the competition level. > >> > >> It's entirely subjective, and makes for an astondingly boring debate. > >> > >> So... > >> > >> SIT DOWN, SHUT UP!! > >> > >> You know who you are. > > > >They're still at it on the "athlete" thing. This is as bad as the last > >election. We need more posts on guns and dogs. > > Dogs are athletes too, if you use Wendy as a yardstick, she is > 'plainly' barking!! ;o)
And the participants are all sticking to their guns, so, we've got both of my favorite OTs covered.
And all is well with the world and MFW too! ;o)
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Still a stupid argument.
They mostly are, but then there are dogs and then there are athletic dogs, and then there are gun dogs!!
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However, chocolate IS the "best" flavor of ice cream.
Coffee for me, are you buying? ;o)
Oh, only a fool would believe that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream. Have you got any facts to back up your absurd claim that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream? I doubt it.
I am able to offer subjective opinion to support my claim, which will obviously be sufficient as we have a precedent with regard to Athlete/Triathlete viz: David the Oz v Dally the Wendy DTG1230040705.
My learned friend Donovan the Rebbechi will no doubt be acting in the capacity of Expert Witness.
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"Best ice cream" clearly has an objectively definable reality, and that reality is CHOCOLATE!
Objectivity is clearly not the necessary criteria to resolve this vexed matter and I hereby call for a vote on the matter and propose a clear simple majority to decide the issue.
On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 09:52:07 GMT, "David" <[email hidden]>
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"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote: >Charles wrote: >> "Larry Hodges" <[email hidden]> wrote: >> >David Cohen wrote: >> >> Some nouns have an objective reality, regardless of what you call
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>> >election. We need more posts on guns and dogs. >> >> Dogs are athletes too, if you use Wendy as a yardstick, she is >> 'plainly' barking!! ;o) > >And the participants are all sticking to their guns, so, we've got both >of my favorite OTs covered.
And all is well with the world and MFW too! ;o) > >Still a stupid argument.
They mostly are, but then there are dogs and then there are athletic dogs, and then there are gun dogs!! > >However, chocolate IS the "best" flavor of ice cream.
Coffee for me, are you buying? ;o)
Oh, only a fool would believe that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream. Have you got any facts to back up your absurd claim that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream? I doubt it.
"Best ice cream" clearly has an objectively definable reality, and that reality is CHOCOLATE!
Look, you made me raise my voice 🙁
David
Absolutely. Chocolate ripple with nuts in fact with hot fudge sauce. When I visit I thought we could get a couple of quarts and just pig out in a park somewhere and wait to get picked up by a couple of dancers.
I have just pulled out all the stops to avoid this prosecution for IOM and this is the way you repay me.
Some supporter you are you chocolate loving turncoat!! ;o(
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> >of my favorite OTs covered. > > And all is well with the world and MFW too! ;o) > > > >Still a stupid argument. > > They mostly are, but then there are dogs and then there are athletic > dogs, and then there are gun dogs!! > > > >However, chocolate IS the "best" flavor of ice cream. > > Coffee for me, are you buying? ;o)
Oh, only a fool would believe that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream. Have you got any facts to back up your absurd claim that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream? I doubt it.
"Best ice cream" clearly has an objectively definable reality, and that reality is CHOCOLATE!
Look, you made me raise my voice 🙁
David
Absolutely. Chocolate ripple with nuts in fact with hot fudge sauce.
When I
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visit I thought we could get a couple of quarts and just pig out in a
park
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somewhere and wait to get picked up by a couple of dancers.
I have just pulled out all the stops to avoid this prosecution for IOM and this is the way you repay me.
Some supporter you are you chocolate loving turncoat!! ;o(
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> >of my favorite OTs covered. > > And all is well with the world and MFW too! ;o) > > > >Still a stupid argument. > > They mostly are, but then there are dogs and then there are athletic > dogs, and then there are gun dogs!! > > > >However, chocolate IS the "best" flavor of ice cream. > > Coffee for me, are you buying? ;o)
Oh, only a fool would believe that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream. Have you got any facts to back up your absurd claim that coffee ice cream is better than chocolate ice cream? I doubt it.
"Best ice cream" clearly has an objectively definable reality, and that reality is CHOCOLATE!
Look, you made me raise my voice 🙁
David
Absolutely. Chocolate ripple with nuts in fact with hot fudge sauce.
When I
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visit I thought we could get a couple of quarts and just pig out in a
park
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somewhere and wait to get picked up by a couple of dancers.
I have just pulled out all the stops to avoid this prosecution for IOM and this is the way you repay me.
Some supporter you are you chocolate loving turncoat!! ;o(
:I'm really sorry Charles. I was hoping you would understand. But . we are talking about CHOCOLATE ice cream here. Unfortunately I have this addiction. I have no control . . .Please forgive me!
