Dogs

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What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

We eat you.

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GABIKE said:

Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I got chased last night by
a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike. Never given this much thought in the past
because a dog has never scared me before. What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

A kid at our church was riding on a farm-to-market road to church one afternoon (rural church) when
a dog jumped him and knocked him into the "bar ditch". Did a few hundred dollars worth of damage to
his bike. Have your waterbottle handy. They usually hate water sprayed in their face.

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Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I

got

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chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.

Never

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given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.

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What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

When large dogs chase me I usually either slow down and play with them or brake, u-turn, and reverse
the chase. If I'm sure the dog is a trained attack dog (extremely rare), I'll pass.

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"GABIKE" wrote ...

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Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I

got

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chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.

Never

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given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.

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What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

The Great Dane that caught me jumped up and put his paws on my shoulders and started licking my
face. He was a puppy and wanted to make friends. Luckily I had stopped the bike and gotten off.

My usual response to a dog chasing me is to get off the bike and face the dog, holding the bike
between me and the dog as a protective barrier (it might look like a weapon to the dog) and yell at
the dog to go home. It's always worked so far...
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"GABIKE" wrote ...

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Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I

got

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chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.

Never

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given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.

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What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

The Great Dane that caught me jumped up and put his paws on my shoulders and started licking my
face. He was a puppy and wanted to make friends. Luckily I had stopped the bike and gotten off.

My usual response to a dog chasing me is to get off the bike and face the dog, holding the bike
between me and the dog as a protective barrier (it might look like a weapon to the dog) and yell
at the dog to go home. It's always worked so far...
--
mark

Great danes are huge but they are so mild mannered I wouldn't be afraid of them. I had a friend
whose bloodhound used to chase after everything (he was always on a leash though)- roller bladers,
skateboarders, kids playing snowballs, kids playing hockey, cyclists. BUt he would never bite anyone
although he did try to grab some rollerbladers shorts!

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Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I got chased last night by a
great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike. Never given this much thought in the past because
a dog has never scared me before. What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

Stuff them and mount them over their mantlepieces.

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In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

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Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I got chased last night by a
great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike. Never given this much thought in the past because
a dog has never scared me before. What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

Sometimes they bark at you. Sometimes they bite. Sometimes they turn around and go home.
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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:55:13 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> from SBC

url='http://yahoo.sbc.com/'http://yahoo.sbc.com/url said:

You *are* smarter than the dog, which you can use to your advantage.

People work hard all day. Dogs sleep a ton, play and then people feed them for free and scratch
their backs and ears. Who's smarter?

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There have been a few occaisons when I have been too tired to outrun a dog (especially when out of
shape), or run into the dogs at a dead end or forced turn around point.

The biggest danger with dogs is that they might run into your wheels and send you both flying. That
hasn't happenned to me, but I've seen it and its not pretty at all.

If the dog is going to catch up, I will slow down and start to get off the bike on the side away
from the dog. Usually they will stop and bark. Once I'm off the bike, I use it as a shield and get
the pump to use as a weapon, if its needed. I've never had to do either though. Most dogs will back
away from something that is not acting like prey, is not running, is not scared, and is willing to
outshout and out stare them.

Duffy

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Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I

got

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chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.

Never

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given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.

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What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

We've got some info on our website- www.ChainReaction.com/dogs that might

be

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of help. In many cases, dogs may do exactly nothing once they catch their prey. The fun is in the
chase, and it's boring to just sit there in a stand-off with a cyclist. Not all the time though;
there are obviously

some

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dogs that are trained to attack anything that they feel is intruding into their area.

Great Danes aren't generally a nasty species though, and it may have

simply

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been wanting to have some fun (play) with you. This does happen; I've

been

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in races where dogs ran into the middle of the pack, thinking they were having a great time. Once
things didn't turn out too well, for either the dog or a bunch of cyclists.

Be smart, and try to figure out what the dog is up to. You *are* smarter than the dog, which you
can use to your advantage.

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If the dog is going to catch up, I will slow down and start to get off the bike on the side away
from the dog. Usually they will stop and bark.

Once

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I'm off the bike, I use it as a shield and get the pump to use as a

weapon,

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if its needed. I've never had to do either though. Most dogs will back away from something that
is not acting like prey, is not running, is not scared, and is willing to outshout and out
stare them.

Absolutely true. If I'm not in a rush, I actually enjoy stopping and staring them (dogs) down,
assuming, of course, it's not drooling too much and audibly ganshing teeth! It has an amazingly
powerful effect when you simply stop and stare a dog down (when it's been coming after you). They
just don't know what to do, because that's not the way they're programmed. And experience has told
me that this can actually "break" a dog
psychologically... they will sometimes stop going after cyclists after such an experience.

But keep in mind this works with relatively "normal" dogs. If somebody has trained a pitbull (or any
other aggressive breed) to shred & kill, you really ought to find someplace else to be. But the same
rules of safety still apply- put your bike between you and the dog.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

"Duffy Pratt" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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There have been a few occaisons when I have been too tired to outrun a dog (especially when out of
shape), or run into the dogs at a dead end or

forced

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turn around point.

The biggest danger with dogs is that they might run into your wheels and send you both flying.
That hasn't happenned to me, but I've seen it and

its

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not pretty at all.

If the dog is going to catch up, I will slow down and start to get off the bike on the side away
from the dog. Usually they will stop and bark.

Once

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I'm off the bike, I use it as a shield and get the pump to use as a

weapon,

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if its needed. I've never had to do either though. Most dogs will back away from something that
is not acting like prey, is not running, is not scared, and is willing to outshout and out
stare them.

Duffy

"Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs,

I

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got

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chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the

bike.

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Never

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given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.

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What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

We've got some info on our website- www.ChainReaction.com/dogs that

might

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be

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of help. In many cases, dogs may do exactly nothing once they catch

their

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prey. The fun is in the chase, and it's boring to just sit there in a stand-off with a cyclist.
Not all the time though; there are obviously

some

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dogs that are trained to attack anything that they feel is intruding

into

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their area.

Great Danes aren't generally a nasty species though, and it may have

simply

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been wanting to have some fun (play) with you. This does happen; I've

been

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in races where dogs ran into the middle of the pack, thinking they were having a great time.
Once things didn't turn out too well, for either

the

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dog or a bunch of cyclists.

Be smart, and try to figure out what the dog is up to. You *are*

smarter

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than the dog, which you can use to your advantage.

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Your only defense is to use the water bottle... or hammer the pedals for a while.

Catching the dog is probably not a good idea... but catching the dogs owner
is.

fwiw

"GABIKE" <[email hidden]>

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Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I

got

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chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.

Never

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given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.

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What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

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Great danes are huge but they are so mild mannered I wouldn't be afraid of them.

My experience with great danes is similar. The ones I've known were all more civil and civilized
than many humans. And often, better conversationalists. The poor critters had short lives though --
apparently they get too big for their hearts, physiologically speaking. I wouldn't encourage them to
over-exert, or to get overly excited.

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I had a friend whose bloodhound used to chase after everything (he was always on a leash though)-
roller bladers, skateboarders, kids playing snowballs, kids playing hockey, cyclists. BUt he would
never bite anyone although he did try to grab some rollerbladers shorts!

LOL!

cheers, Tom

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E-ddy!!!!!

Seriously, all of my encounters have been easily managed with one or a combo of the following:

1. Say "hi puppy!" etc., in a high-pitched falsetto little girl voice. Percieved as
non-threatening, they often lose interest and trot away.

2. If that doesn't work yell "SIT! STAY!", in a VERY commanding voice, and hope they think your are
their master. Fun when it works!!

3. I usually find that squirting them with water doesn't help on a hot day if they've been chasing
for long cause they are thirsty and will hang with you for the relief. I used to carry some dog
biscuits in my saddle bag and would toss them out if all of the above failed.

4. When all else fails, go to big ring, stand up and hope they don't get in your front wheel.

There was a big dog that charged us every Saturday on Sunday on our northern route. I mentioned to
my father and he recognized the location of the farm and knew the owner. From the following weekend
on, "Rusty" was in the screened-in porch every weekend!

ie ride fast, take chances
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Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I

got

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chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.

Never

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given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.

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What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

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People work hard all day. Dogs sleep a ton, play and then people feed them for free and scratch
their backs and ears. Who's smarter?

Dogs also drink from toilets, smell other dogs' butts, roll in truly disgusting messes, and can't
ride worth a damn.

Dogs don't have to ride ... they get driven places. The other stuff is just gravy.

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Absolutely true. If I'm not in a rush, I actually enjoy stopping and staring them (dogs) down,
assuming, of course, it's not drooling too much and audibly ganshing teeth! It has an amazingly
powerful effect when you simply stop and stare a dog down (when it's been coming after you). They
just don't know what to do, because that's not the way they're programmed. And experience has told
me that this can actually "break" a dog
psychologically... they will sometimes stop going after cyclists after

such

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an experience.

But keep in mind this works with relatively "normal" dogs. If somebody

has

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trained a pitbull (or any other aggressive breed) to shred & kill, you really ought to find
someplace else to be. But the same rules of safety still apply- put your bike between you and
the dog.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles www.ChainReaction.com

It's a dangerous thing to stare down a dog you don't know. You're directly challenging his dominance
and if he decides that he's dominant, you might get bit. They're absolutely programmed for stare
contests..that's one of the most basic methods they use for establishing rank in the pack and it IS
a fairly serious event for the dog. For the most part, dogs are happy to be submissive, don't want a
fight and will back down. Which is the same reason most dogs don't bite when they chase you. They
just see something that looks exciting and they're in it for the fun of the chase. As soon as the
chase stops, they're back to being normal, boring dogs. I think the stare-down is an unnecessary
risk. Unfortunately, it is this type of reaction that is necessary to stop that behaviour. When the
dog chases cyclists and we ride away at a furious pace, the dog is happy and this reinforces the
desire to keep doing it because it's so much fun for him. The owner is really the one who should
curb the behaviour with some dominance assertion. It shouldn't have to come to a cyclist gambling on
a dominance challenge to curb the dog's behaviour. That's risky for you. Unfortunately, owners are
rarely held accountable for their dog's actions, which is unfortunate for the dog and the people
they bite.

Cheers,

Scott..

In article said:

In article said:

Great danes are huge but they are so mild mannered I wouldn't be afraid of them.

My experience with great danes is similar. The ones I've known were all more civil and civilized
than many humans. And often, better conversationalists. The poor critters had short lives though
-- apparently they get too big for their hearts, physiologically speaking. I wouldn't encourage
them to over-exert, or to get overly excited.

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I had a friend whose bloodhound used to chase after everything (he was always on a leash
though)- roller bladers, skateboarders, kids playing snowballs, kids playing hockey, cyclists.
BUt he would never bite anyone although he did try to grab some rollerbladers shorts!

LOL!

cheers, Tom

Yeah, it's kind of sad that Danes only live about 7 or 8 years-big dogs have short life spans.
Bloodhounds too, live about ten, maybe 11 tops. But anyways, I have yet to see a bad tempered great
dane. In spite of their humungous size, they are actually good in city apartments. I've known people
who've kept them in the city and they are really easy, not hyper or barky. And if they do bark, they
can scare away any possible intruder.

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It's a dangerous thing to stare down a dog you don't know. You're

directly

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challenging his dominance and if he decides that he's dominant, you might get bit. They're
absolutely programmed for stare contests..that's one of the most basic methods they use for
establishing rank in the pack and it

IS

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a fairly serious event for the dog. For the most part, dogs are happy to

be

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submissive, don't want a fight and will back down. Which is the same

reason

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most dogs don't bite when they chase you. They just see something that looks exciting and they're
in it for the fun of the chase. As soon as the chase stops, they're back to being normal, boring
dogs. I think the stare-down is an unnecessary risk. Unfortunately, it is this type of reaction
that is necessary to stop that behaviour. When the dog chases cyclists and we ride away at a
furious pace, the dog is happy and this reinforces the desire to keep doing it because it's so
much fun for him. The owner is really the one who should curb the behaviour with some dominance
assertion. It shouldn't have to come to a cyclist gambling on a dominance challenge to curb the
dog's behaviour. That's risky for you. Unfortunately, owners are rarely held accountable for their
dog's actions, which is unfortunate for the dog and the people they bite.

Scott: You're right, of course, and yet I don't find that many dogs that are willing to continue to
press when they discover that you're not afraid of them. Dogs have this way of sensing fear that's
almost unbelievable. Maybe I'm just dumb and wasn't born with enough respect for nasty dogs? But,
once broken, a dog just doesn't seem as nasty towards cyclists in the future. The stuff about
spraying them with water or mace works great that one time, but doesn't seem to deter them from
trying again.

Maybe I was a snake charmer in a former life?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗

I resort to staring them down only when I know I can't outrun them for some reason. I know its
risky, but if its a dog you won't beat at the dominance game, its probably gonna try to go for you
anyway, I think.

Another thing is I will only stop the bike and get off when I'm pretty sure I'm off of their turf.
Dogs will be much more aggressive if you are intruding on their territory.

Duffy

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It's a dangerous thing to stare down a dog you don't know. You're

directly

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challenging his dominance and if he decides that he's dominant, you

might

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get bit. They're absolutely programmed for stare contests..that's one

of

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the most basic methods they use for establishing rank in the pack and it

IS

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a fairly serious event for the dog. For the most part, dogs are happy

to

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be

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submissive, don't want a fight and will back down. Which is the same

reason

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most dogs don't bite when they chase you. They just see something that looks exciting and
they're in it for the fun of the chase. As soon as

the

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chase stops, they're back to being normal, boring dogs. I think the stare-down is an unnecessary
risk. Unfortunately, it is this type of reaction that is necessary to stop that behaviour. When
the dog chases cyclists and we ride away at a furious pace, the dog is happy and this reinforces
the desire to keep doing it because it's so much fun for him. The owner is really the one who
should curb the behaviour with some dominance assertion. It shouldn't have to come to a cyclist
gambling on

a

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dominance challenge to curb the dog's behaviour. That's risky for you. Unfortunately, owners are
rarely held accountable for their dog's

actions,

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which is unfortunate for the dog and the people they bite.

Scott: You're right, of course, and yet I don't find that many dogs that are willing to continue
to press when they discover that you're not afraid of them. Dogs have this way of sensing fear
that's almost unbelievable. Maybe I'm just dumb and wasn't born with enough respect for nasty
dogs? But, once broken, a dog just doesn't seem as nasty towards cyclists in the future. The stuff
about spraying them with water or mace works great that one time, but doesn't seem to deter them
from trying again.

Maybe I was a snake charmer in a former life?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles chainreactionbicycles.comchainreactionbicycles.comOpen ↗

While starting to ride really fast, I usually turn and face the dog and say in a commanding voice...

"GET DOWN OFF THE COUCH"

They usually know that command or at the very least are confused enough to look at me with a "what
the [censored]?"

J.P.

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Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I

got

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chased last night by a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike.

Never

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given this much thought in the past because a dog has never scared me

before.

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What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?