Dogs

The tradition in group rides is to allow them to catch and eat the slowest riders, proving Darwin
was right once again.

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"GABIKE" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

Marlene Blanshay said:

Great danes are huge but they are so mild mannered I wouldn't be afraid of them. I had a friend
whose bloodhound used to chase after everything (he was always on a leash though)- roller bladers,
skateboarders, kids playing snowballs, kids playing hockey, cyclists. BUt he would never bite
anyone although he did try to grab some rollerbladers shorts!

I know someone who was bitten by a Great Dane while riding - it must have been the exception
to the rule.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)

x-no-archive-yes In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] (Tom

Keats) said:

In article said:

Great danes are huge but they are so mild mannered I wouldn't be afraid of them.

I ride on a lot of gravel back roads and when farm dogs are coming at me, I use a "Dog Dazzer"
ultrasonic device in addition to yelling "Get Back!".

The Dog Dazzer has an effective range of 15 feet but it certainly works! I've had dogs literally
slam to a stop as I pedaled away. BTW, the Dazzer causes no permanent damage to the dog. For dogs
that are deaf, there are other methods of deterrence which also work on irate dog owners.

Mike

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Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:04:13 -0500, <[email hidden]>, Kevan Smith

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On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:55:13 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> from SBC

url='http://yahoo.sbc.com/'http://yahoo.sbc.com/url said:

You *are* smarter than the dog, which you can use to your advantage.

People work hard all day. Dogs sleep a ton, play and then people feed them for free and scratch
their backs and ears. Who's smarter?

When you've eaten as much homework as they have, you learn things.
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Kevan Smith said:

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 16:55:13 GMT, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <[email hidden]> from SBC

url='http://yahoo.sbc.com/'http://yahoo.sbc.com/url said:

You *are* smarter than the dog, which you can use to your advantage.

People work hard all day. Dogs sleep a ton, play and then people feed them for free and scratch
their backs and ears. Who's smarter?

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2:04:07 PM 11 July 2003

dogs hate it when you spit in their face......

GABIKE said:

Went riding yesterday and while I have been chased many times by dogs, I got chased last night by
a great dane, he was as tall as I was on the bike. Never given this much thought in the past
because a dog has never scared me before. What do dogs do to riders if they ever catch them?

My personal experience is that most dogs just continue to make noise beyond all reason. The only
exception was a pit bull that made a pass at my shoe but missed, went after the crank instead. In
that case, the a reagent (squeeze-squirt) bottle filled with ammonia that I carry came in handy: one
good, hard shot straight into that dog's eyes stopped it cold.

Michael from AT&T Worldnet said:

In that case, the a reagent (squeeze-squirt) bottle filled with ammonia that I carry came in handy:
one good, hard shot straight into that dog's eyes stopped it cold.

You should be reported for cruelty to animals. What if you had blinded the dog for life? A squirt
bottle of water does the same thing just fine without the cruelty.

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1:21:59 PM 15 July 2003

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:22:52 -0500 in rec.bicycles.misc, Kevan Smith

/\/\ said:

You should be reported for cruelty to animals. What if you had blinded the dog for life? A squirt
bottle of water does the same thing just fine without the cruelty.

[censored]. the dog should not be loose. yes, it's the owner's fault, not the dog's, but that dog will
probably never chase a bike again.

(Dennis P. Harris) from None said:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:22:52 -0500 in rec.bicycles.misc, Kevan Smith

/\/\ said:

You should be reported for cruelty to animals. What if you had blinded the dog for life? A squirt
bottle of water does the same thing just fine without the cruelty.

[censored]. the dog should not be loose. yes, it's the owner's fault, not the dog's, but that dog
will probably never chase a bike again.

That dog may not chase another bicycle, or it may chase the next one with the intent of an even
greater attack out of revenge, or it may spend the rest of its life in horrible pain, blinded by the
ammonia. You just don't know. Spraying ammonia on a dog is cruelty, plain and simple. Even though
the dog was attacking, the ammonia amounts to nothing but torture and maiming if the animal is
blinded. The dog would have been better off had it just been shot in the head. I have no sympathy
for people who are cruel to animals, either deliberately or out of ignorance. If you want to carry a
solution that will sting a dog but not blind it, try salt water in a concentration just a little
higher than normal saline. Ammonia is just wrong.

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1:12:21 PM 16 July 2003

Yeah, I'm sure you'd feel the same way if you or one of your kids had been attacked by a dog.

"Kevan Smith" <[email hidden]/\/\> wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:43:48 -0800, [email hidden] (Dennis P. Harris) from

None said:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:22:52 -0500 in rec.bicycles.misc, Kevan Smith

/\/\ said:

You should be reported for cruelty to animals. What if you had blinded

the dog

Quoted message said:

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for life? A squirt bottle of water does the same thing just fine

without the

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cruelty.

[censored]. the dog should not be loose. yes, it's the owner's fault, not the dog's, but that dog
will probably never chase a bike again.

That dog may not chase another bicycle, or it may chase the next one with

the

Quoted message said:

intent of an even greater attack out of revenge, or it may spend the rest

of its

Quoted message said:

life in horrible pain, blinded by the ammonia. You just don't know.

Spraying

Quoted message said:

ammonia on a dog is cruelty, plain and simple. Even though the dog was attacking, the ammonia
amounts to nothing but torture and maiming if the

animal

Quoted message said:

is blinded. The dog would have been better off had it just been shot in

the

Quoted message said:

head. I have no sympathy for people who are cruel to animals, either deliberately or out of
ignorance. If you want to carry a solution that

will

Quoted message said:

sting a dog but not blind it, try salt water in a concentration just a

little

Quoted message said:

higher than normal saline. Ammonia is just wrong.

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1:12:21 PM 16 July 2003

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:42:33 GMT, "F1" <[email hidden]> from EarthLink Inc. --

url='http://www.earthlink.net/'http://www.EarthLink.net/url said:

You exaggerate the rights of an attacking animal.

No, I fully realize you have the right to defend yourself. Using ammonia is cruel. You won't kill
the animal, but you will likely maim it for life. There are better solutions to the problem than
that cruelty.

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:41:41 GMT, "F1" <[email hidden]> from EarthLink Inc. --

url='http://www.earthlink.net/'http://www.EarthLink.net/url said:

Yeah, I'm sure you'd feel the same way if you or one of your kids had been attacked by a dog.

I have been. It's not too difficult to extract yourself from the situation. You might be scared of
dogs -- that's OK. But it's not OK to torture animals with caustic solutions.

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12:38:27 AM 17 July 2003

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 00:38:51 -0500 in rec.bicycles.misc, Kevan Smith

/\/\ said:

I have been. It's not too difficult to extract yourself from the situation. You might be scared of
dogs -- that's OK. But it's not OK to torture animals with caustic solutions.

where i live it's legal to 1) carry concealed without a permit and 2) shoot loose dogs if they
are chasing.

as far as i'm concerned, any defense against an attacking dog is OK.

(Dennis P. Harris) from None said:

as far as i'm concerned, any defense against an attacking dog is OK.

Then how about hogtieing them and staking them out on an ant bed?

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"Kevan Smith" <[email hidden]/\/\> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:42:33 GMT, "F1"

<[email hidden]> from

Quoted message said:

EarthLink Inc. -- url='http://www.earthlink.net/'http://www.EarthLink.net/url said:

You exaggerate the rights of an attacking animal.

No, I fully realize you have the right to defend yourself. Using ammonia

is

Quoted message said:

cruel. You won't kill the animal, but you will likely maim it for life.

There

Quoted message said:

are better solutions to the problem than that cruelty.

Oh, stop the [censored]! A dilute ammonia solution in a squirt gun or bottle ain't gonna blind nothin'
for life, you idiot! Hurts like hell does not equal blindness.

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Kevan Smith said:

Quoted message said:

Then how about hogtieing them and staking them out on an ant bed?

No, that's the punishment for the owners that let them loose.

This whole thread was covered in depth about a month ago. Why are we dragging it out again? Is the
weather too hot or otherwise inclement for biking?

Alexander Gilchrist

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:01:17 GMT, "Robin Hubert" <[email hidden]> from EarthLink Inc. --

url='http://www.earthlink.net/'http://www.EarthLink.net/url said:

"Kevan Smith" <[email hidden]/\/\> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:42:33 GMT, "F1"

<[email hidden]> from

Quoted message said:

EarthLink Inc. -- url='http://www.earthlink.net/'http://www.EarthLink.net/url said:

You exaggerate the rights of an attacking animal.

No, I fully realize you have the right to defend yourself. Using ammonia

is

Quoted message said:

cruel. You won't kill the animal, but you will likely maim it for life.

There

Quoted message said:

are better solutions to the problem than that cruelty.

Oh, stop the [censored]! A dilute ammonia solution in a squirt gun or bottle ain't gonna blind
nothin' for life, you idiot! Hurts like hell does not equal blindness.

This is the first time anyone has said "dilute ammonia." If you don't think full-strength ammonia
will blind you, pour some in your eyes.

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:01:17 GMT, "Robin Hubert" <[email hidden]>

from

Quoted message said:

EarthLink Inc. -- url='http://www.earthlink.net/'http://www.EarthLink.net/url said:

"Kevan Smith" <[email hidden]/\/\> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:42:33 GMT, "F1"

<[email hidden]> from

Quoted message said:

EarthLink Inc. -- earthlink.netearthlink.netOpen ↗ wrote:

>You exaggerate the rights of an attacking animal.

No, I fully realize you have the right to defend yourself. Using

ammonia

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is

Quoted message said:

cruel. You won't kill the animal, but you will likely maim it for life.

There

Quoted message said:

are better solutions to the problem than that cruelty.

Oh, stop the [censored]! A dilute ammonia solution in a squirt gun or

bottle

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ain't gonna blind nothin' for life, you idiot! Hurts like hell does not equal blindness.

This is the first time anyone has said "dilute ammonia." If you don't

think

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full-strength ammonia will blind you, pour some in your eyes.

Aw-right. I don't know if anyone proposed using full-strength household ammonia, but I don't think
anyone here would want to carry that [censored].

Just to be proper, I'll read the whole thread (after July 11, 2003, that
is).

Ok, using Google, nothing at all about ammonia or I just misread everything. Can you point me to
this bit of text?

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2003 01:58:12 GMT, "Robin Hubert" <[email hidden]> from EarthLink Inc. --

url='http://www.earthlink.net/'http://www.EarthLink.net/url said:

"Kevan Smith" <[email hidden]/\/\> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:01:17 GMT, "Robin Hubert" <[email hidden]>

from

Quoted message said:

EarthLink Inc. -- url='http://www.earthlink.net/'http://www.EarthLink.net/url said:

"Kevan Smith" <[email hidden]/\/\> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 04:42:33 GMT, "F1"
<[email hidden]> from
> EarthLink Inc. -- earthlink.netearthlink.netOpen ↗ wrote:
>
> >You exaggerate the rights of an attacking animal.
>
> No, I fully realize you have the right to defend yourself. Using

ammonia

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

is
> cruel. You won't kill the animal, but you will likely maim it for life.
There
> are better solutions to the problem than that cruelty.
>
>

Oh, stop the [censored]! A dilute ammonia solution in a squirt gun or

bottle

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

ain't gonna blind nothin' for life, you idiot! Hurts like hell does not equal blindness.

This is the first time anyone has said "dilute ammonia." If you don't

think

Quoted message said:

full-strength ammonia will blind you, pour some in your eyes.

Aw-right. I don't know if anyone proposed using full-strength household ammonia, but I don't think
anyone here would want to carry that [censored].

Just to be proper, I'll read the whole thread (after July 11, 2003, that
is). h Ok, using Google, nothing at all about ammonia or I just misread everything. Can you point
me to this bit of text?

Actually, the guy just said the word "ammonia," and I assumed (yes, I know) that it was just
ordinary, undiluted household ammonia. You were, though, the first to use the word "dilute."

Here's the original message I responded to:

Message-ID: <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc Subject: Re: Dogs

quoting:

"In that case, the a reagent (squeeze-squirt) bottle filled with ammonia that I carry came in
handy: one good, hard shot straight into that dog's eyes stopped it cold."

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Thu, 17 Jul 2003 22:17:56 -0500, <[email hidden]>, Kevan Smith

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Actually, the guy just said the word "ammonia," and I assumed (yes, I know) that it was just
ordinary, undiluted household ammonia. You were, though, the first to use the word "dilute."

Well, his use of "reagent bottle" led me to believe he was thinking about reagent grade ammonia.
Household Ammonia is very much diluted already.

"Ammonia dissolves readily in water, and advantage can often be taken of this to remove ammonia from
gas process streams by washing. Solutions of ammonia in water are weakly basic and, as "household
ammonia", find use in domestic cleaning and disinfecting. More concentrated solutions are used in
the chemical laboratory. Reagent-grade ammonia solutions are colorless. The usual laboratory
concentrated reagent solutions are 28% NH3 by mass; their density is .90 kg/L, which corresponds to
a 14.8 molar aqueous solution of ammonia. "

Ammonia is used at dog shows for breaking up fights. Towels are soaked in concentrated ammonia and
thrown over the dogs heads.

If your're going to squirt the dog with anything use tobasco or lemon juice or vinegar or soy sauce.
Might as well start marinating him

Quoted message said:

Here's the original message I responded to:

Message-ID: <[email hidden]> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc Subject: Re: Dogs

quoting:

"In that case, the a reagent (squeeze-squirt) bottle filled with ammonia that I carry came in
handy: one good, hard shot straight into that dog's eyes stopped it cold."

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