When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:41:24 GMT, cathy <[email hidden]>
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
The closest you will get to it in most markets is Hebrew National or Best's.
HN is still made, though it belongs to ConAgra now & does not taste nearly as good as it used to. It has flavorings and hydrolyzed soy protein in it now.
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:41:24 GMT, cathy <[email hidden]>
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
The closest you will get to it in most markets is Hebrew National or Best's.
HN is still made, though it belongs to ConAgra now & does not taste nearly as good as it used to. It has flavorings and hydrolyzed soy protein in it now.
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:41:24 GMT, cathy <[email hidden]>
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
The closest you will get to it in most markets is Hebrew National or Best's.
HN is still made, though it belongs to ConAgra now & does not taste nearly as good as it used to. It has flavorings and hydrolyzed soy protein in it now.
Boron
There are a couple other brands, Issac Gellis, Shofar.
But none today are like the real kosher salami of yesteryear, back then kosher salami did not need refrigeration, it was a fermented salami, just hung from a hook at the deli... the older/aged ones dripped fat until they were pretty dry, those were what you got when you asked for "hard salami", and cost a few cents extra, well, they lost weight.
You really can't compare today's kosher delis to those from even forty years ago... there is no comparison... today's kosher delis (every one of them with no exceptions whatsoever) serve phony baloney. I'll only believe you've ever eaten real kosher deli if you can tell me what's a "toot".
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:41:24 GMT, cathy <[email hidden]>
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
The closest you will get to it in most markets is Hebrew National or Best's.
I guess I wasn't clear. I know what all the different brands of kosher salami are. What I meant was what kind of salami that =isn't= a kosher salami might come the closest in taste and texture to a kosher salami. Italian salami? Genoa salami? Summe sausage? Or one of the dozens of other varieties I see in the deli case?
On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:41:24 GMT, cathy <[email hidden]>
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
The closest you will get to it in most markets is Hebrew National or Best's.
I guess I wasn't clear. I know what all the different brands of
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salami are. What I meant was what kind of salami that =isn't= a
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Italian salami? Genoa salami? Summe sausage? Or one of the dozens of other varieties I see in the deli case?
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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 23:41:24 GMT, cathy <[email hidden]>
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
The closest you will get to it in most markets is Hebrew National or Best's.
I guess I wasn't clear. I know what all the different brands of kosher salami are. What I meant was what kind of salami that =isn't= a kosher salami might come the closest in taste and texture to a kosher salami. Italian salami? Genoa salami? Summe sausage? Or one of the dozens of other varieties I see in the deli case?
Cathy
I cannot think of any.
You might actually want to experiment a bit with varieties of kielbasa, if you can find a good Polish deli. Try one of the garlic kielbasas. It won't be exactly the same as a kosher salami, but it might remind you of one and it'll be damn good, nevertheless.
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
The closest you will get to it in most markets is Hebrew National or Best's.
HN is still made, though it belongs to ConAgra now & does not taste nearly as good as it used to. It has flavorings and hydrolyzed soy protein in it now.
Boron
There are a couple other brands, Issac Gellis, Shofar.
But none today are like the real kosher salami of yesteryear, back then kosher salami did not need refrigeration, it was a fermented salami, just hung from a hook at the deli... the older/aged ones dripped fat until they were pretty dry, those were what you got when you asked for "hard salami", and cost a few cents extra, well, they lost weight.
You really can't compare today's kosher delis to those from even forty years ago... there is no comparison... today's kosher delis (every one of them with no exceptions whatsoever) serve phony baloney. I'll only believe you've ever eaten real kosher deli if you can tell me what's a "toot".
Sheldon
You can "hang" and dry Vienna's beef salami. Yes, it drips fat all over the countertop. I have been doing that since the 1970's. I grew up in a strict kosher household (and gave it up when I moved out) and can't tell you what a toot is. I called a Hasidic friend of mine in Great Neck, NY and he couldn't tell me either. What is a "toot?"
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>kosher salami. > >When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there
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>mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone
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>what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and >texture to a kosher salami? > >Thanks, >Cathy
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Best's.
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nearly as good as it used to. It has flavorings and hydrolyzed
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protein in it now.
Boron
There are a couple other brands, Issac Gellis, Shofar.
But none today are like the real kosher salami of yesteryear, back
then
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kosher salami did not need refrigeration, it was a fermented
salami,
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just hung from a hook at the deli... the older/aged ones dripped
fat
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until they were pretty dry, those were what you got when you asked
for
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"hard salami", and cost a few cents extra, well, they lost weight.
You really can't compare today's kosher delis to those from even
forty
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years ago... there is no comparison... today's kosher delis (every
one
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of them with no exceptions whatsoever) serve phony baloney. I'll
only
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believe you've ever eaten real kosher deli if you can tell me
what's a
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"toot".
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You can "hang" and dry Vienna's beef salami. Yes, it drips fat all
over the
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countertop. I have been doing that since the 1970's. I grew up in a
strict
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kosher household (and gave it up when I moved out) and can't tell you
what a
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toot is. I called a Hasidic friend of mine in Great Neck, NY and he
couldn't
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tell me either. What is a "toot?"
Hasidics wouldn't have a clue about kosher delis... they don't frequent them. And as to a "toot", I ain't giving it up... you either know or you don't... if you grew up in a kosher home and don't know you're probably fairly young.
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> >mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone
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> >what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and > >texture to a kosher salami? > > > >Thanks, > >Cathy > > > The closest you will get to it in most markets is Hebrew National
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> Best's. > > HN is still made, though it belongs to ConAgra now & does not
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soy
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There are a couple other brands, Issac Gellis, Shofar.
But none today are like the real kosher salami of yesteryear, back
then
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kosher salami did not need refrigeration, it was a fermented
salami,
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just hung from a hook at the deli... the older/aged ones dripped
fat
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until they were pretty dry, those were what you got when you asked
for
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"hard salami", and cost a few cents extra, well, they lost weight.
You really can't compare today's kosher delis to those from even
forty
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years ago... there is no comparison... today's kosher delis (every
one
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of them with no exceptions whatsoever) serve phony baloney. I'll
only
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believe you've ever eaten real kosher deli if you can tell me
what's a
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"toot".
Sheldon
You can "hang" and dry Vienna's beef salami. Yes, it drips fat all
over the
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countertop. I have been doing that since the 1970's. I grew up in a
strict
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kosher household (and gave it up when I moved out) and can't tell you
what a
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toot is. I called a Hasidic friend of mine in Great Neck, NY and he
couldn't
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tell me either. What is a "toot?"
Hasidics wouldn't have a clue about kosher delis... they don't frequent them. And as to a "toot", I ain't giving it up... you either know or you don't... if you grew up in a kosher home and don't know you're probably fairly young.
I never said Vienna beef salami is kosher but their beef salami has no pork nor pork derived products.. With regard to Hasidic not having a clue about kosher delis, respectfully you don't know what you are talking about. Hasidic and other orthodox friends of mine and I have gone to kosher NY delis since probably about the time you were born. Yes, I am a young 53.
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> >what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and > >texture to a kosher salami? > > > >Thanks, > >Cathy > > > The closest you will get to it in most markets is Hebrew National
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> Best's. > > HN is still made, though it belongs to ConAgra now & does not
taste
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> nearly as good as it used to. It has flavorings and hydrolyzed
soy
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> protein in it now. > > Boron
There are a couple other brands, Issac Gellis, Shofar.
But none today are like the real kosher salami of yesteryear, back
then
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kosher salami did not need refrigeration, it was a fermented
salami,
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just hung from a hook at the deli... the older/aged ones dripped
fat
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until they were pretty dry, those were what you got when you asked
for
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"hard salami", and cost a few cents extra, well, they lost weight.
You really can't compare today's kosher delis to those from even
forty
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years ago... there is no comparison... today's kosher delis (every
one
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of them with no exceptions whatsoever) serve phony baloney. I'll
only
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believe you've ever eaten real kosher deli if you can tell me
what's a
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"toot".
Sheldon
You can "hang" and dry Vienna's beef salami. Yes, it drips fat all
over the
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countertop. I have been doing that since the 1970's. I grew up in a
strict
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kosher household (and gave it up when I moved out) and can't tell you
what a
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toot is. I called a Hasidic friend of mine in Great Neck, NY and he
couldn't
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tell me either. What is a "toot?"
Hasidics wouldn't have a clue about kosher delis... they don't frequent them. And as to a "toot", I ain't giving it up... you either know or you don't... if you grew up in a kosher home and don't know you're probably fairly young.
I didn't grow up in a kosher home - my mother did and swore she'd never do it when she got married. But certain things stick with you, lile; both my parents drank their coffee black (to avoid mixing dairy and meat - you can't have cream in your coffee if your having brisket for dinner, in a kosher home). My mother rarely made ham, and bacon was not often found in our refrigerator. We stuck to kosher-style products, like HN salami and hot dogs because they were the flavors my parents were accustomed to. It's stuck with me, too, because the only hot dogs I'll eat are kosher style. The one time I ate an Oscar Mayer hot dog I took one bite and spit it out, and tossed the rest in the trash. It was one of the more revolting things I've been served. It was so foreign to what I expected a hot dog to taste like, I couldn't stand it.
>When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National >kosher salami. > >When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a >mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know >what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and >texture to a kosher salami? > >Thanks, >Cathy
The closest you will get to it in most markets is Hebrew National or Best's.
HN is still made, though it belongs to ConAgra now & does not taste nearly as good as it used to. It has flavorings and hydrolyzed soy protein in it now.
Boron
There are a couple other brands, Issac Gellis, Shofar.
But none today are like the real kosher salami of yesteryear, back then kosher salami did not need refrigeration, it was a fermented salami, just hung from a hook at the deli... the older/aged ones dripped fat until they were pretty dry, those were what you got when you asked for "hard salami", and cost a few cents extra, well, they lost weight.
You really can't compare today's kosher delis to those from even forty years ago... there is no comparison... today's kosher delis (every one of them with no exceptions whatsoever) serve phony baloney. I'll only believe you've ever eaten real kosher deli if you can tell me what's a "toot".
Sheldon
You can "hang" and dry Vienna's beef salami. Yes, it drips fat all over the countertop. I have been doing that since the 1970's. I grew up in a strict kosher household (and gave it up when I moved out) and can't tell you what a toot is. I called a Hasidic friend of mine in Great Neck, NY and he couldn't tell me either. What is a "toot?"
Rand
Taken from a German word for 'bag'. Means a twisted bit of paper to hold mustard, separate from the sandwich. Has nothing to do with eating 'real' kosher deli.
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
Would not a kosher salami of any type taste the same as any salami of that same type? It may be kosher but that has little or nothing to do with it's taste or texture, non? I assume, also, that a HB salami would be of a generic "American" salami nature rather than a specific type of salami.
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
Would not a kosher salami of any type taste the same as any salami of
that
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same type? It may be kosher but that has little or nothing to do with
it's
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taste or texture, non? I assume, also, that a HB salami would be of a generic "American" salami nature rather than a specific type of
salami.
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Charliam
Kosher salami is essentially of only one type, whereas each recipe varies, but so insignificantly as to be deemed negligible. There is also kosher bologna, kosher hot dogs, and kosher knockwurst, all of which vary only very slightly by brand. I know of no kosher salami that is like say genoa. And I know of no kosher kielbasa... those who keep kosher are not at all interested in provisions that emulate those containing pork, regardless they're kosher. And kosher is like pregnant, either is or ain't... no such thing as almost...
Would not a kosher salami of any type taste the same as any salami of that same type? It may be kosher but that has little or nothing to do with it's taste or texture, non?
Kosher beef is processed a bit differently -- it has nearly all the blood drained out of it, as opposed to about 60%.
Incidentally, there are people who believe that Hebrew National ships somewhat better than average product to various customers in New York City.
When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Hebrew National salami of course! Its still made. Failing that, cooked salami is pretty close, but not quite as strong a garlic flavor.
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
Would not a kosher salami of any type taste the same as any salami of that same type? It may be kosher but that has little or nothing to do with it's taste or texture, non? I assume, also, that a HB salami would be of a generic "American" salami nature rather than a specific type of salami.
Charliam
A kosher salami would not have any pork, organ meats, nor milk products added. All of those are commonly added to salami -- they're not bad things, but they are not kosher. They all affect the taste and texture.
Other than that, I'm not sure what makes kosher-style salami. I would expect a smoked garlicky all-beef summer sausage. (fermented and cooked salami) Probably seasoned with mustard seed, black pepper, and either coriander or nutmeg.
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When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National kosher salami.
When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and texture to a kosher salami?
Thanks, Cathy
Would not a kosher salami of any type taste the same as any salami of
that
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same type? It may be kosher but that has little or nothing to do with
it's
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taste or texture, non? I assume, also, that a HB salami would be of a generic "American" salami nature rather than a specific type of salami.
Charliam
A kosher salami would not have any pork, organ meats, nor milk products added. All of those are commonly added to salami -- they're not bad things, but they are not kosher. They all affect the taste and texture.
Other than that, I'm not sure what makes kosher-style salami. I would expect a smoked garlicky all-beef summer sausage. (fermented and cooked salami) Probably seasoned with mustard seed, black pepper, and either coriander or nutmeg.
Best regards, Bob
Regarding the laws of Kashruth, there are two components to making sure meat is "approved." First relates to the actual "law" from the Old Testament, particularly the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy which precisely describes what meats (and for that matter what food stuffs in general) are allowed (and not allowed) to be consumed and under what circumstances (the slaughter). While this is the basis for preparing kosher meat, there are other later rabbinic sources which set up component #2, the certified and ordained witness that ensures all proper preparation is conducted. This is found in later writings of which the Talmud is the most renowned. Today, meat is not considered kosher unless both conditions are met, so for example explaining why Vienna Beef which meets component #1 isn't certified kosher because they fail to meet condition #2. For further information that won't burden you try: http://www.shalomvillage.on.ca/kosher.htm
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>When I was a kid the only salami we ever bought was Hebrew National >kosher salami. > >When you go to the deli counter in the market these days there is a >mind-boggling array of salamis <sp?> and sausages. Does anyone know >what type/style of salami/sausage would be closest in flavor and >texture to a kosher salami? > >Thanks, >Cathy
Would not a kosher salami of any type taste the same as any salami of
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same type? It may be kosher but that has little or nothing to do with
it's
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taste or texture, non? I assume, also, that a HB salami would be of a generic "American" salami nature rather than a specific type of salami.
Charliam
A kosher salami would not have any pork, organ meats, nor milk products added. All of those are commonly added to salami -- they're not bad things, but they are not kosher. They all affect the taste and texture.
Other than that, I'm not sure what makes kosher-style salami. I would expect a smoked garlicky all-beef summer sausage. (fermented and cooked salami) Probably seasoned with mustard seed, black pepper, and either coriander or nutmeg.
Best regards, Bob
Regarding the laws of Kashruth, there are two components to making sure meat is "approved." First relates to the actual "law" from the Old Testament, particularly the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy which precisely describes what meats (and for that matter what food stuffs in general) are allowed (and not allowed) to be consumed and under what circumstances (the slaughter). While this is the basis for preparing kosher meat, there are other later rabbinic sources which set up component #2, the certified and ordained witness that ensures all proper preparation is conducted. This is found in later writings of which the Talmud is the most renowned. Today, meat is not considered kosher unless both conditions are met, so for example explaining why Vienna Beef which meets component #1 isn't certified kosher because they fail to meet condition #2. For further information that won't burden you try: http://www.shalomvillage.on.ca/kosher.htm
That's why I said "kosher-style" rather than kosher. One could make a sausage using certified kosher meat but using all the wrong spices and it wouldn't be true-to-style.
It would be like biting into a "kosher dill pickle" and having it be sweet/sour and loaded with cinnamon.