In article <[email hidden]>, "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Charles Gifford wrote: > > "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > > > > Kosher salami is essentially of only one type, > > > > Yes. This is the important point Sheldon. There are many "kinds"
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> > salami.....the Hungarian varities being my favorites......I now > gather that > > "Kosher Salami" is a particular type of salami, with, as you
mention,
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> > slightly different variations in seasoning depending on the
maker. It
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> could > > be made under non-kosher conditions as well as a real kosher
product.
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> The > > rest of your post seems to be quite sensible too. > > > > Charliam > > Yes, I suppose one could make non-kosher "kosher salami", but I've > never seen any sold commercially. But I'm sure many people make > "kosher salami" at home but don't use kosher meat or follow any
laws of
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> kasruth. There's a recipe for "kosher style salami" in "Great
Sausage
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> Rcipes and Sausage Meat Curing" > by Rytek Kutas... pg 216. > > Sheldon >
>If the deli were a kosher one, you would certainly know it. First
of
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>all, there would be a certificate in the window, signed by a rabbi,
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>which would attest to that fact. Also, the place would be closed
on
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>all major Jewish holidays and every week from a couple of hours
before
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>sundown on Friday, until either an hour after sundown on Saturday >night, or until Sunday.
Except for 2nd Avenue Deli in NYC, which is certified as kosher yet stays open seven days a week.
Steve
You will not see any obviously Orthodox Jews eating at the 2nd Ave. Deli. They have (or had) a Succah on the sidewalk for Succoth, but you only see regular diners in it, not the ones traditionally
dressed,
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with sidelocks over their ears and under their head coverings and Tsitses (sp?) hanging down from under the shirt or jacket. Lately, there seems to be more compromise with some Orthodox Jews when it comes to Kosher Laws, but the really Orthodox ones have become ever more adherent to those laws.
This is something so intimate and personal, I feel weird even discussing it. Not having grown up in a kosher household, I do not consider myself qualified to discuss it. Every time I do, I find out
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the next day, that I have been mostly wrong. :o(
Don't worry about it, Margaret... opine away... you won't find two rabbis who will agree on anything. Questioning everythinhg (but, why) is the entire basis of Judaism.
I agree, and the Jewish tradition of learning and knowledge is what helped me to realize how bogus Judaism and the other organized religions really are. I was taught to question, but the Rabbi's were never able to answer my questions to my satisfaction.
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You really can't compare today's kosher delis to those from even forty years ago... there is no comparison... today's kosher delis (every one of them with no exceptions whatsoever) serve phony baloney. I'll only believe you've ever eaten real kosher deli if you can tell me what's a "toot".
Sheldon
From somewhere on the web: A "toot" is made of a square of waxed, mustard-color paper, which is twisted into a cone, filled with mustard and then folded shut.
From somewhere on the web: A "toot" is made of a square of waxed, mustard-color paper, which is twisted into a cone, filled with mustard and then folded shut.
I am unhappy that I never visited an Automat when they still existed.
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You really can't compare today's kosher delis to those from even
forty
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years ago... there is no comparison... today's kosher delis (every
one
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of them with no exceptions whatsoever) serve phony baloney. I'll
only
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believe you've ever eaten real kosher deli if you can tell me
what's a
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"toot".
Sheldon
From somewhere on the web: A "toot" is made of a square of waxed, mustard-color paper, which is twisted into a cone, filled with mustard and then folded shut.
Scott.
'Zactly! Draw that man a Knick (Ruppert Knickerbocker).
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Charles Gifford said:
"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]... > > > Kosher salami is essentially of only one type,
Yes. This is the important point Sheldon. There are many "kinds"
of
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salami.....the Hungarian varities being my favorites......I now
gather that
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"Kosher Salami" is a particular type of salami, with, as you
mention,
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slightly different variations in seasoning depending on the
maker. It
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could
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be made under non-kosher conditions as well as a real kosher
product.
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The
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rest of your post seems to be quite sensible too.
Charliam
Yes, I suppose one could make non-kosher "kosher salami", but I've never seen any sold commercially. But I'm sure many people make "kosher salami" at home but don't use kosher meat or follow any
laws of
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kasruth. There's a recipe for "kosher style salami" in "Great
Sausage
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Rcipes and Sausage Meat Curing" by Rytek Kutas... pg 216.
Sheldon
And while I am really not trying to be a commercial for Vienna
products here
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in Chicago, I believe this is exactly what you are talking about
apropos to
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their salami.
Recently, Chicago public TV aired a show about two local products -- Vienna Beef Hot Dogs and Jay's Potato Chips. If I remember right, Vienna Beef started out Kosher, although they are not now Kosher. (And Jay's was originally named Japp's or Mrs Japps, but they changed their name after Pearl Harbor. Me I still miss Wise potato chips).
Recently, Chicago public TV aired a show about two local products -- Vienna Beef Hot Dogs and Jay's Potato Chips. If I remember right, Vienna Beef started out Kosher, although they are not now Kosher.
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Jay's was originally named Japp's or Mrs Japps, but they changed
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name after Pearl Harbor. Me I still miss Wise potato chips).
Wise is still very much alive, but you'll need to move East, they're not marketed in Chicago, don't think they ever were.
Recently, Chicago public TV aired a show about two local products -- Vienna Beef Hot Dogs and Jay's Potato Chips. If I remember right, Vienna Beef started out Kosher, although they are not now Kosher.
(And
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Jay's was originally named Japp's or Mrs Japps, but they changed
their
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name after Pearl Harbor. Me I still miss Wise potato chips).
Wise potato chips are still very much alive, but you'll need to move East, they're not marketed in Chicago, don't think they ever were.
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"Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:[email hidden]...
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Charles Gifford wrote: > "Sheldon" <[email hidden]> wrote in message > news:[email hidden]... > > > > > > Kosher salami is essentially of only one type, > > Yes. This is the important point Sheldon. There are many "kinds"
of
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> salami.....the Hungarian varities being my favorites......I now gather that > "Kosher Salami" is a particular type of salami, with, as you
mention,
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> slightly different variations in seasoning depending on the
maker. It
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could > be made under non-kosher conditions as well as a real kosher
product.
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The > rest of your post seems to be quite sensible too. > > Charliam
Yes, I suppose one could make non-kosher "kosher salami", but I've never seen any sold commercially. But I'm sure many people make "kosher salami" at home but don't use kosher meat or follow any
laws of
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kasruth. There's a recipe for "kosher style salami" in "Great
Sausage
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Rcipes and Sausage Meat Curing" by Rytek Kutas... pg 216.
Sheldon
And while I am really not trying to be a commercial for Vienna
products here
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in Chicago, I believe this is exactly what you are talking about
apropos to
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their salami.
Recently, Chicago public TV aired a show about two local products -- Vienna Beef Hot Dogs and Jay's Potato Chips. If I remember right, Vienna Beef started out Kosher, although they are not now Kosher. (And Jay's was originally named Japp's or Mrs Japps, but they changed their name after Pearl Harbor. Me I still miss Wise potato chips).
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There are many food shows that feature regional specialties and when they come to Chicago, it is Vienna Beef hot dogs and nobody elses. It is funny though that when these shows come to Chicago for Italian Beef or pan pizza, a whole new world opens up.
Thanks for the URL. It's clear that it isnt distributred here. I may have seen a small bag (singfle serving size) two or three times in the almost 30 years I've been living in Chicago. But that's it.
As a side note, Koshering meat and the way meat is prepared in Islam, called Hallal are not the same and the dietary rules for both a significantly different. While both abstain from any contact with pork products, Hallal allows for the consumption of shellfish, fish without any scales, and preparation of meat with milk.
This is also not uniform, as the Shiites do not eat shellfish, or fish without scales. I'm not sure about the dairy and meat.
Regards, Ranee
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