TR - Grey Corries

C L Imber said:

On Wednesday afternoon a companion and I caught the Gondola to Aonach
Mor

Sorry, that's cheating, the entire trip is invalid

Simon (not at all jealous)

S.

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Simon Caldwell said:

C L Imber said:

On Wednesday afternoon a companion and I caught the Gondola to Aonach
Mor

Sorry, that's cheating, the entire trip is invalid

Funny you should say that!

A friend said that we wouldn't be able to tick Aonach Mor as a Munro
if we ascended by Gondola. However, they said Aonach Beag would be
valid as we'd've walked from a Munro summit to a Munro summit without
further aid. So after we pitched and had a cup of tea, we walked from
Aonach Beag to Aonach Mor and back as a night navigation exercise.
Both are now ticked.

The Gondola rises from 100m to 650m, and 300m away the chair lift from
650m to 975m. A total rise of 875m. The ski lift ticket (one way) is
£8.75, so, the ascent costs exactly 1p/m. A bargain with a big pack.

C L Imber said:

A friend said that we wouldn't be able to tick Aonach Mor as a Munro
if we ascended by Gondola.

What about doing the Cairnwell ascending to the top of the pass by
road?

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from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry, that's cheating, the entire trip is invalid

Quoted message said:

Funny you should say that!

Quoted message said:

A friend said that we wouldn't be able to tick Aonach Mor as a Munro
if we ascended by Gondola. However, they said Aonach Beag would be
valid as we'd've walked from a Munro summit to a Munro summit without
further aid. So after we pitched and had a cup of tea, we walked from
Aonach Beag to Aonach Mor and back as a night navigation exercise.
Both are now ticked.

Its your conscience but FWIW I agree with Simon that it is cheating. As
you didn't do the first summit from the road the second summit is also
not a valid ascent nor is the gentle bimble back to the first any
justification for claiming an unassisted ascent of the first. Just think
how easy a Munro round would become for the rich who used a helicopter
to land on one Munro in a group and the whole group ticked by high level
ridge walking and a return to the helicopter without any of that
strenuous flog up from low level.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 17 summits
New - 11 (Marilyns 0, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 6 (Marilyns 1, Sweats 2, Wainwrights 6, Outlying Fells 0)

C L Imber said:

Simon Caldwell said:

C L Imber said:

On Wednesday afternoon a companion and I caught the Gondola to Aonach
Mor

Sorry, that's cheating, the entire trip is invalid

Funny you should say that!

A friend said that we wouldn't be able to tick Aonach Mor as a Munro
if we ascended by Gondola. However, they said Aonach Beag would be
valid as we'd've walked from a Munro summit to a Munro summit without
further aid. So after we pitched and had a cup of tea, we walked from
Aonach Beag to Aonach Mor and back as a night navigation exercise.
Both are now ticked.

The Gondola rises from 100m to 650m, and 300m away the chair lift from
650m to 975m. A total rise of 875m. The ski lift ticket (one way) is
£8.75, so, the ascent costs exactly 1p/m. A bargain with a big pack.

Difficult one, isn't it? The problem with the "you cheated by getting
the Gondola" attitude is that it leads one to belive that the only
"valid" ascent would be from sea level. After all, you can drive up to
the car park at Cairngorm which is almost the same height as the top
Gondla station at Aonach Mor, and the car park at Glen Shee is probably
even higher!

druidh

Roger said:

The message <[email hidden]>
from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry, that's cheating, the entire trip is invalid

Quoted message said:

Funny you should say that!

Quoted message said:

A friend said that we wouldn't be able to tick Aonach Mor as a Munro
if we ascended by Gondola. However, they said Aonach Beag would be
valid as we'd've walked from a Munro summit to a Munro summit without
further aid. So after we pitched and had a cup of tea, we walked from
Aonach Beag to Aonach Mor and back as a night navigation exercise.
Both are now ticked.

Its your conscience but FWIW I agree with Simon that it is cheating. As
you didn't do the first summit from the road the second summit is also
not a valid ascent nor is the gentle bimble back to the first any
justification for claiming an unassisted ascent of the first. Just think
how easy a Munro round would become for the rich who used a helicopter
to land on one Munro in a group and the whole group ticked by high level
ridge walking and a return to the helicopter without any of that
strenuous flog up from low level.

I hope this is a troll . . .

druidh

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:25:11 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Its your conscience but FWIW I agree with Simon that it is cheating. As
you didn't do the first summit from the road the second summit is also
not a valid ascent nor is the gentle bimble back to the first any
justification for claiming an unassisted ascent of the first. Just think
how easy a Munro round would become for the rich who used a helicopter
to land on one Munro in a group and the whole group ticked by high level
ridge walking and a return to the helicopter without any of that
strenuous flog up from low level.

I'll have to remember that... "Just off for a week's gentle bimble,
darling - don't worry!"

This is silly

YOU decide whether or not your ascent is "valid". There are no
rules..

Roads, railways or cablecars.. you choose.
You may even want to do it extremis.. every ascent from sea level..
(That would be fun!) It really is personal choice..... After all we
dont cheat ourselves by not going all the way to the top!

This topic must be a laugh to alpinists...

Richard Webb

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 20:25:11 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

As you didn't do the first summit from the road the second summit is also
not a valid ascent nor is the gentle bimble back to the first any
justification for claiming an unassisted ascent of the first.

If you want to take it to extremes then the only "valid" ascent is by
foot from Torlundy, as the ski access road didn't exist when Munro
devised his Tables. :-)

Quoted message said:

Just think how easy a Munro round would become for the rich who used a
helicopter to land on one Munro in a group and the whole group ticked by
high level ridge walking and a return to the helicopter without any of that
strenuous flog up from low level.

Does that mean that those with a vehicle capable of driving an extra
mile or two up a rough track are also cheating? Or indeed that
accepting a lift up a remote glen in a friendly keeper's LandRover
also invalidates an ascent?

I agree with Richard - the only rules are those one sets oneself.
--
Al

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(RJ Webb) said:

This is silly

Well spotted :-)

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On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:57:10 +0000, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Does that mean that those with a vehicle capable of driving an extra
mile or two up a rough track are also cheating? Or indeed that
accepting a lift up a remote glen in a friendly keeper's LandRover
also invalidates an ascent?

Read the follow up poster again.

He signs off, "Simon (not at all jealous)".

This simple line indicates that he has feigned jealousy of the trip,
and to deal with his pretend jealousy pretends that the trip is
invalid.

(If he really was jealous, he wouldn't have used the term.)

However, I do believe that Simon would very much like to do a similar
trip, and like Roger would enjoy a 'gentle bimble' between Aonach Mor
and Aonach Beag, and does not like the prospect of a 'strenuous flog
up' to and through the ski resort on foot.

The message <[email hidden]>
from Alan Bremner <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As you didn't do the first summit from the road the second summit is also
not a valid ascent nor is the gentle bimble back to the first any
justification for claiming an unassisted ascent of the first.

Quoted message said:

If you want to take it to extremes then the only "valid" ascent is by
foot from Torlundy, as the ski access road didn't exist when Munro
devised his Tables. :-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just think how easy a Munro round would become for the rich who used a
helicopter to land on one Munro in a group and the whole group ticked by
high level ridge walking and a return to the helicopter without any of that
strenuous flog up from low level.

Quoted message said:

Does that mean that those with a vehicle capable of driving an extra
mile or two up a rough track are also cheating? Or indeed that
accepting a lift up a remote glen in a friendly keeper's LandRover
also invalidates an ascent?

Depends on the circumstances, some landrover tracks stretch right to a
summit. You have to draw line somewhere and for me at least ski lifts
are out as is high level off roading that takes the effort out of the
ascent.

Quoted message said:

I agree with Richard - the only rules are those one sets oneself.

As I said previously its his conscience. He appears to accept that the
ski lift ascent shouldn't count so why should anything built on that
ascent count, particularly when it is only a couple of miles and a few
hundred feet of ascent?

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 17 summits
New - 11 (Marilyns 0, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 6 (Marilyns 1, Sweats 2, Wainwrights 6, Outlying Fells 0)

C L Imber said:

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:57:10 +0000, Alan Bremner <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Does that mean that those with a vehicle capable of driving an extra
mile or two up a rough track are also cheating? Or indeed that
accepting a lift up a remote glen in a friendly keeper's LandRover
also invalidates an ascent?

Read the follow up poster again.

He signs off, "Simon (not at all jealous)".

This simple line indicates that he has feigned jealousy of the trip,
and to deal with his pretend jealousy pretends that the trip is
invalid.

(If he really was jealous, he wouldn't have used the term.)

However, I do believe that Simon would very much like to do a similar
trip, and like Roger would enjoy a 'gentle bimble' between Aonach Mor
and Aonach Beag, and does not like the prospect of a 'strenuous flog
up' to and through the ski resort on foot.

Quite right - the only "correct" ascent of Aonach Mor is to avoid all
that tedious ski paraphenalia by ascending the East ridge via Stob an
Cul Choire (or does this mark me out as a saddo Top-bagger?)

druidh

The message <[email hidden]>
from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

However, I do believe that Simon would very much like to do a similar
trip, and like Roger would enjoy a 'gentle bimble' between Aonach Mor
and Aonach Beag, and does not like the prospect of a 'strenuous flog
up' to and through the ski resort on foot.

I wouldn't dream of doing it through the ski resort even if I were still
up to doing such an ascent.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 17 summits
New - 11 (Marilyns 0, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 6 (Marilyns 1, Sweats 2, Wainwrights 6, Outlying Fells 0)

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 20:07:48 GMT, Roger <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

As I said previously its his conscience. He appears to accept that the
ski lift ascent shouldn't count so why should anything built on that
ascent count, particularly when it is only a couple of miles and a few
hundred feet of ascent?

I guess flying into Ladakh International Airport, at 12,000ft, would
invalidate any subsequent ascents, in your book.

The message <[email hidden]>
from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

As I said previously its his conscience. He appears to accept that the
ski lift ascent shouldn't count so why should anything built on that
ascent count, particularly when it is only a couple of miles and a few
hundred feet of ascent?

Quoted message said:

I guess flying into Ladakh International Airport, at 12,000ft, would
invalidate any subsequent ascents, in your book.

Doing any Munro from there would be an epic.

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 17 summits
New - 11 (Marilyns 0, Sweats 1, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 6 (Marilyns 1, Sweats 2, Wainwrights 6, Outlying Fells 0)

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The message <[email hidden]>
from C L Imber <[email hidden]> contains these words:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Sorry, that's cheating, the entire trip is invalid

Quoted message said:

Funny you should say that!

Quoted message said:

A friend said that we wouldn't be able to tick Aonach Mor as a Munro
if we ascended by Gondola. However, they said Aonach Beag would be
valid as we'd've walked from a Munro summit to a Munro summit without
further aid. So after we pitched and had a cup of tea, we walked from
Aonach Beag to Aonach Mor and back as a night navigation exercise.
Both are now ticked.

Its your conscience but FWIW I agree with Simon that it is cheating.

Definitely Cheating, not only can you not have these as ticks, I propose you
should be fined 3 other ticks, produce your list and the group will decide
what hills on your "Done List" should be demoted to "Yet to do"

C L Imber said:

Read the follow up poster again.

He signs off, "Simon (not at all jealous)".

This simple line indicates that he has feigned jealousy of the trip,
and to deal with his pretend jealousy pretends that the trip is
invalid.

(If he really was jealous, he wouldn't have used the term.)

However, I do believe that Simon would very much like to do a similar
trip, and like Roger would enjoy a 'gentle bimble' between Aonach Mor
and Aonach Beag, and does not like the prospect of a 'strenuous flog
up' to and through the ski resort on foot.

Correct. I think.

Jealous is perhaps the wrong word, but I'd love to have been doing
what he did while he held the fort for me at work :-)

S.

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....., produce your list and the group will decide
what hills on your "Done List" should be demoted to "Yet to do"

Please don't go *democratic*. A man has got to do what a man has got to do.
And if some people don't agree with his list, then that's bad luck for them.

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