red salmon

Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat that contain
pigments such as astaxanthin.

Without astaxanthin in the diet, the salmon's flesh would be
"yellowgray"

To create the pink-red color in farmed salmon, synthetically produced
carotenoids, mainly astaxanthin, are added to their feed, but, AFA
anyone knows, it's good for ya, not toxic.

"VT" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Is it true that salmon is white and that they add some

colour to it to

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make it pink ?
And is that toxic ?

Virg

Natural salmon is pink...from eating shrimp etc at sea...
shimp is too costly to feed farm raised salmon, so synthic
foods are fed to those, and grain etc...the pink color goes
out of the flesh..so dye is added to make the farm raized
salmon pink again.

The dye is no doubt toxic to a faint extent..more toxic are
other things found in the farm raised fish...you can research
that on google. www.google.com 'web' tab on top left of
the empty box... then fill in the new empty box with the
relevant key words you wish to search...such as 'farm raised
salmon. toxic'

There is much bogus data in these areas...say 'it doubles risk
of some cancers'... when you look at the details you find the
risk was one in a million in the first place...now its 2 in a
million...

thats mostly disinformation, and smoke put out by drug
companies to distract from the fact that much of *their [censored]
KILLS hundreds of thousands of people a year outright... and
maims millions more...and bankrupts entire society's.

but the SALMON... DOUBLED the risk of corneal transplant
rejection... one guy in 30 million suffered. See? thats
the game.

Other issues can be legitimate..you need to become a wary
student of all this while looking for spin...and motives...
and please do understand the trillion dollar drug industry has
a long record of putting shills into these NG's..to trash
alternative methods and those who expose thier
frauds...fortunately with the vioxx and other scandals lately
they lost a lot of credibity.

next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any
worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance
now 20 dollars worth of vitamin E, costs 200 dollars and you
need a prescription.

Things will get nasty if that gets to the US....its on the
table in Canada right now.

Phil Scott

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Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat

that contain

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pigments such as astaxanthin.

Without astaxanthin in the diet, the salmon's flesh would be
"yellowgray"

To create the pink-red color in farmed salmon, synthetically

produced

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carotenoids, mainly astaxanthin, are added to their feed,

but, AFA

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anyone knows, it's good for ya, not toxic.

thanks for filling me on the accurate details...I assumed it
was dye, because the lables say 'artificially colored'. its
good to hear its not dye.

Phil Scott

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"Phil Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any

worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance
now 20 dollars worth of vitamin E, costs 200 dollars and you
need a prescription.

Things will get nasty if that gets to the US....its on the
table in Canada right now.

Nasty for the people who are selling products that don't meet quality
standards or make claims that aren't supported by the facts.

Good for consumers, though.

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

Jeff

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"Phil Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any

worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance
now 20 dollars worth of vitamin E, costs 200 dollars and you
need a prescription.

Things will get nasty if that gets to the US....its on the
table in Canada right now.

Nasty for the people who are selling products that don't meet quality
standards or make claims that aren't supported by the facts.

Good for consumers, though.

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp
Jeff

whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will charge abt
$300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so you are able to
take a multivitamin tablet or extra vitamin C to prevent sniffles during
the winter months or the amount of Vitamin E needed to stay healthy as can
be accessed in evidence based websites such as pubmed.?

Sounds like you work for Codex

Ruby
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grow from common interests and needs of many people, control of
institutions inevitably falls into the hands of people motivated by self-
interest, and that therefore almost all which proceeds from institutions
serves only the institution."
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Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat that contain
pigments such as astaxanthin.

Without astaxanthin in the diet, the salmon's flesh would be
"yellowgray"

To create the pink-red color in farmed salmon, synthetically produced
carotenoids, mainly astaxanthin, are added to their feed, but, AFA
anyone knows, it's good for ya, not toxic.

See also www.food-info.net in the Questions and Answer part. or search
Astaxanthin or Salmon.

Ralf

"Phil Scott" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any
worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance
now 20 dollars worth of vitamin E, costs 200 dollars and you
need a prescription.

Another victim of the anti-Codex-propaganda or rather lies. Please
show me a place in Germany (where I live) where they sell vit E pills
for USD 200 and ask for a prescription. At least in low doses vit E
pills are available in any major supermarket for a few USD (without
prescription), and you can buy as many packages as you want.

There has been no noticeable price lap for vitamine pills in Germany
in the past few years.

Winfried from Germany

Ralf wrote:
:: On 11 Feb 2005 05:55:38 -0800, "[email hidden]"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat that
::: contain pigments such as astaxanthin.
:::
::: Without astaxanthin in the diet, the salmon's flesh would be
::: "yellowgray"
:::
::: To create the pink-red color in farmed salmon, synthetically
::: produced carotenoids, mainly astaxanthin, are added to their feed,
::: but, AFA anyone knows, it's good for ya, not toxic.
::
::
:: See also www.food-info.net in the Questions and Answer part. or
:: search Astaxanthin or Salmon.
::
:: Ralf

There are also other reasons to avoid _farmed_ salmon. Farmed salmon is
_very high_ in inflammation provoking arachinonic acid (20:4) because of
the feed given to salmons. I prefer small mackerel to salmon.

--
Juhana

Juhana Harju wrote:
:: Ralf wrote:
:::: On 11 Feb 2005 05:55:38 -0800, "[email hidden]"
:::: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::::
::::: Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat that
::::: contain pigments such as astaxanthin.
:::::
::::: Without astaxanthin in the diet, the salmon's flesh would be
::::: "yellowgray"
:::::
::::: To create the pink-red color in farmed salmon, synthetically
::::: produced carotenoids, mainly astaxanthin, are added to their feed,
::::: but, AFA anyone knows, it's good for ya, not toxic.
::::
::::
:::: See also www.food-info.net in the Questions and Answer part. or
:::: search Astaxanthin or Salmon.
::::
:::: Ralf
::
:: There are also other reasons to avoid _farmed_ salmon. Farmed salmon
:: is _very high_ in inflammation provoking arachinonic acid (20:4)
:: because of the feed given to salmons. I prefer small mackerel to
:: salmon.
::

http://www.nutritiondata.com/foods-000064000000000000000-w.html

--
Juhana

Ruby <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will charge abt
$300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so you are able to
take a multivitamin tablet or extra vitamin C to prevent sniffles during
the winter months or the amount of Vitamin E needed to stay healthy as can
be accessed in evidence based websites such as pubmed.?

Well, I would like to know where this happens. As stated by many
others, Germany already IS a Codex country, and NOTHING has changed
concerning the availability of vitamin tablets and their prices in the
last few years. You can buy tablets with 1000mg vit C without any
prescription or doctor's visit for reasonable prices, and any
drugstore has a shelf with the complete alphabet of vitamines.

Seems as if some people are very eager to create new urban legends.
Did you notice that many posts stating these lies about Codex
countries end with asking for donations to an obscure organization.
Honi soit qui mal y pense. Probably I have the wrong job, I'd better
post nightmares on the usenet and ask for donations to prohibit them.

Winfried from Germany

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Ruby <[email hidden]> wrote in message

news:<[email hidden]>...

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whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will charge

abt

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$300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so you are able to
take a multivitamin tablet or extra vitamin C to prevent sniffles during
the winter months or the amount of Vitamin E needed to stay healthy as

can

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be accessed in evidence based websites such as pubmed.?

Well, I would like to know where this happens. As stated by many
others, Germany already IS a Codex country, and NOTHING has changed
concerning the availability of vitamin tablets and their prices in the
last few years. You can buy tablets with 1000mg vit C without any
prescription or doctor's visit for reasonable prices, and any
drugstore has a shelf with the complete alphabet of vitamines.

Seems as if some people are very eager to create new urban legends.
Did you notice that many posts stating these lies about Codex
countries end with asking for donations to an obscure organization.
Honi soit qui mal y pense. Probably I have the wrong job, I'd better
post nightmares on the usenet and ask for donations to prohibit them.

Winfried from Germany

The supplement directive is yet to be implemented.
It is too be implemented mid summer of this year.
There maybe some urban legend postings on the topic
but the reality of the EU supplement directive is coming.
I not going to fly to Germany to check out
vitamins availability. Keep us posted in
the future.

Ruby said:

whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will charge abt
$300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so you are able to
take a multivitamin tablet or extra vitamin C to prevent sniffles during
the winter months or the amount of Vitamin E needed to stay healthy as can
be accessed in evidence based websites such as pubmed.?

Hm. Maybe move to a socialistic country.

Here you pay NOK 120 for a doctors visit. And if it is to repeat a
prescription, it is around NOK 30. The other taxpayers pay the rest of
the bill (and partly oil production)

When I had surgery for glaucoma two and a half year ago I payed NOK
400 (about 7 NOK pr $, so divide with 7 to give your price). The
second was free because I had passed the upper limit of NOK 1500 for
doctors visit, transport and medicine. This year the limit has
increased to NOK 2500.
And then all "blue prescription" pills are free. Blue prescription is
a special prescription, written on blue paper which is given on
medicine for chronically ill people, at least having a disease
continuing for more than 3 month. I have insulin and Nexium on blue
prescription for my part :-)

Juhana Harju said:

There are also other reasons to avoid _farmed_ salmon. Farmed salmon is
_very high_ in inflammation provoking arachinonic acid (20:4) because of
the feed given to salmons. I prefer small mackerel to salmon.

Some farmers give the fish soy oil and other food high in omega-6
instead of giving them fish oil (which is more expensive).

It is a tragedy that declaration of PUFA composition of farmed fish is
not obligatory. In case of using omega-3 fat, salmon cannot make so
much arachidonate. if any at all because omega-3 will dominate the
active site of delta-5 desaturase.

Ruby said:

whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will charge abt
$300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so you are able to
take a multivitamin tablet or extra vitamin C to prevent sniffles during
the winter months or the amount of Vitamin E needed to stay healthy as can
be accessed in evidence based websites such as pubmed.?

If I had been a doctor and a patient had come asking for a
prescription for vit C or E, I probably would have taken $3000 for
that visit, minimum.

And by the way, how strong are your selenium tablets? 1 g?

Our are 100 ug. I think that is quite good dose. Taking 2-4 daily
gives a good optimum here.

In some parts of US, giving 1 ug may be chronic poisonous (like
feeding fluoride in areas where natural background is very high).

Are the worst areas in seleniferous areas of South Dakota at all
populated?

Alf Christophersen wrote:
:: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 10:22:39 +0200, "Juhana Harju"
:: <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: There are also other reasons to avoid _farmed_ salmon. Farmed
::: salmon is _very high_ in inflammation provoking arachinonic acid
::: (20:4) because of the feed given to salmons. I prefer small
::: mackerel to salmon.
::
:: Some farmers give the fish soy oil and other food high in omega-6
:: instead of giving them fish oil (which is more expensive).
::
:: It is a tragedy that declaration of PUFA composition of farmed fish
:: is not obligatory. In case of using omega-3 fat, salmon cannot make
:: so much arachidonate. if any at all because omega-3 will dominate the
:: active site of delta-5 desaturase.

I recall that the feed given to salmons contains grains which are
changed into arachidonic acid by the metabolism of salmon. However, I am
not sure about this.

--
Juhana

Alf Christophersen wrote:
:: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 06:10:43 GMT, Ruby <[email hidden]> wrote:
::
::: whats good about needing a prescription from a doctor who will
::: charge abt $300.00 a visit minimum just to write a prescription so
::: you are able to take a multivitamin tablet or extra vitamin C to
::: prevent sniffles during the winter months or the amount of Vitamin
::: E needed to stay healthy as can be accessed in evidence based
::: websites such as pubmed.?
::
:: If I had been a doctor and a patient had come asking for a
:: prescription for vit C or E, I probably would have taken $3000 for
:: that visit, minimum.
::

Why? Vitamin C reduces blood pressure, cardiovascular disease mortality
and all-cause mortality.

--
Juhana

"John Que" <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

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The supplement directive is yet to be implemented.
It is too be implemented mid summer of this year.

Strange enough that this article which is currently spread all over
the newsgroups claims that it describes a visit to a german pharmacy
and has the title 'Life under Codex'.

Winfried

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And by the way, how strong are your selenium tablets? 1 g?

Our are 100 ug. I think that is quite good dose. Taking 2-4 daily
gives a good optimum here.

The selenium level in Germany is a bit under average but there has
never been a reported case of any disease that might have been caused
by lack of selenium. Many people say that at least in Germany a
selenium supplement is not necessary.

Winfried

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Phil Scott said:

<[email hidden]> wrote in message

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Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat

that contain

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pigments such as astaxanthin.

Without astaxanthin in the diet, the salmon's flesh would

be

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"yellowgray"

To create the pink-red color in farmed salmon,

synthetically

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

produced

Quoted message said:

carotenoids, mainly astaxanthin, are added to their feed,

but, AFA

Quoted message said:

anyone knows, it's good for ya, not toxic.

thanks for filling me on the accurate details...I assumed

it

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was dye, because the lables say 'artificially colored'. its
good to hear its not dye.

Huh? He just explained to you that it is a dye, namely

astaxanthin.

didnt sound like dye to me... but an organic compound apart
from what I consider to be a pure dye, inorganic in most
cases.

Phil Scott

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bob