red salmon

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next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any

worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for

instance

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now 20 dollars worth of vitamin E, costs 200 dollars and

you

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need a prescription.

Things will get nasty if that gets to the US....its on the
table in Canada right now.

Nasty for the people who are selling products that don't

meet quality

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standards or make claims that aren't supported by the facts.

Good for consumers, though.

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

Jeff

Jeff...you are believing the propaganda... CODEX is the
nastiest possible thing for consumers under cover of
protecting them from a few unscrupulous vendors.... the down
side is limiting vitamin E sales for one example to a few
milligrams and making any meaningful therapeutic dose go
through a physician at the cost of 200 dollars for capsusles
we are paying 20 dollars for now.

To push their cause in this case recently bogus information
was released that has been uttterly unsuported that doses of
vivtamin E over 400 mg a day is damaging... utter [censored]...
doses of 3000 units of E a day has saved many lives, mine
included when the doctors had had said there was nothing else
they could do.

it is NOT the job of government, of all the bogus
institutions imaginable, to protect the people from
errror...it is the peoples right to keep government from error
and abuse.

But I understand, your brainwashing to the contrary has you
believing in government....

In that case there is not much I can say to you except, hang
in there son, as you age you see what a bogus bunch of slime
bags comprise goverment and will morn the day that you ever
supported anything like CODEX.

CODEX is a drug company scam to capture the vitamin and
suppliments market, then 10x the prices...its a simple as
that... and the drug companies are spending billions brain
washing the public that its to protect them.

not much I can do if you are clueless enough to only read and
reference thier propaganda.

Phil Scott

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> next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any
worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for

instance

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now 20 dollars worth of vitamin E, costs 200 dollars and

you

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need a prescription.

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Good for consumers, though.

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

Jeff

Jeff...you are believing the propaganda...

And what about you? Do you believe or do you have any facts? Please
tell me which dose of vit E used to cost USD 4 and now costs USD 200
plus a doctor's visit in Germany. I happen to live in Germany and did
not see any package of vit E which costs more than a few USD. It is
still available in any drugstore and many supermarkets.

BTW, consumers in Germany would be happy if they could receive a pack
of vit E on prescripition (whatever it may cost) instead of paying USD
4 for it. Due to the german health insurance system you never pay more
than a fixed amount depending on package size, NOT depending on actual
cost. Very few people in Germany pay themselves for their prescription
drugs.

Winfried

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> Wild salmon gets its color from the crustaceans they eat
that contain
> pigments such as astaxanthin.
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> Without astaxanthin in the diet, the salmon's flesh would

be

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> "yellowgray"
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> To create the pink-red color in farmed salmon,

synthetically

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produced
> carotenoids, mainly astaxanthin, are added to their feed,
but, AFA
> anyone knows, it's good for ya, not toxic.

thanks for filling me on the accurate details...I assumed

it

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was dye, because the lables say 'artificially colored'. its
good to hear its not dye.

Huh? He just explained to you that it is a dye, namely

astaxanthin.

didnt sound like dye to me... but an organic compound apart
from what I consider to be a pure dye, inorganic in most
cases.

Dictionary (and general use): a dye is a coloring matter. period. It
may be organic or inorganic, soluble or insoluble, natural or
synthetic, toxic or not -- all of which are more or less independent
of each other. Not surprisingly, it is common to use adjectives with
"dye", to pin down what is meant.

Is there any information on the toxicity of astaxanthin, both natural
and synthetic forms??

It is interesting how much coloring is added to foods to make them
conform to our pre-conceptions!

bob

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next however via CODEX (a UN initiative) vitamins in any
worthwhile dose are being outlawed... in germany for instance
now 20 dollars worth of vitamin E, costs 200 dollars and you
need a prescription.

Another victim of the anti-Codex-propaganda or rather lies. Please
show me a place in Germany (where I live) where they sell vit E pills
for USD 200 and ask for a prescription. At least in low doses vit E
pills are available in any major supermarket for a few USD (without
prescription), and you can buy as many packages as you want.

There has been no noticeable price lap for vitamine pills in Germany
in the past few years.

Winfried from Germany

HI Winfried

Wake up and smell the assault on your freeedom.

http://www.hfma.co.uk/FoodSupplementsDirectiveDebate25.1.05.pdf

Best N10 pro the freedom to eat what you like

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Another victim of the anti-Codex-propaganda or rather lies. Please
show me a place in Germany (where I live) where they sell vit E pills
for USD 200 and ask for a prescription. At least in low doses vit E
pills are available in any major supermarket for a few USD (without
prescription), and you can buy as many packages as you want.

There has been no noticeable price lap for vitamine pills in Germany
in the past few years.

Winfried from Germany

HI Winfried

Wake up and smell the assault on your freeedom.

http://www.hfma.co.uk/FoodSupplementsDirectiveDebate25.1.05.pdf

I am still waiting for a verification of the statements about the food
supplement situation in Germany and the 'price rises' due to the
implementation of Codex in Germany.

Maybe the EU directive is a threat but your arguments will not get
stronger if you are argueing with fiction, not facts.

Winfried

VT ([email hidden]) wrote:
: Is it true that salmon is white and that they add some color to it to
: make it pink ?
: And is that toxic ?

: Virg

I am coming in late on this one (and have read most of the 26 replies) ...

.... but it reminds me of a story that I read thirty or more years ago,
AFAIK it was long before fish farming was carried out anywhere in Canada.

A cannery in B.C. found that the white flesh (wild, of course) salmon that
they canned were losing out to the canners of pink salmon - others of the
several salmon sub-species that were fished off the B.C. coast in those
days.

Their sales boomed when they added the following statement to their
product label:

"Guaranteed not to turn pink in the can."

Ben Fullerton

Juhana Harju said:

I recall that the feed given to salmons contains grains which are
changed into arachidonic acid by the metabolism of salmon. However, I am
not sure about this.

grains and corn is not a natural food at all for salmons or any other
fishes :-)
But it is cheap for the fish farmer. So they give a damn and sell the
fish as a prime source of omega-3 acids.

And people believe that and omega-6 dependent diseases flourish and
fish intake is blamed.

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Why? Vitamin C reduces blood pressure, cardiovascular disease mortality
and all-cause mortality.

for misuse of a doctor. Just go to your nearest shop and buy the pills
yourself. If doses in each pill is too low, well, eat the amount of
pills needed. Noone is checking if you buy a box of vit. C daily, or
go to the pharmacist and buy 500 g of free ascorbate.
But don't use the doctor to try to get a prescriptions he cannot write
anyway because vit C is not regarded as medicine.

On 14 Feb 2005 23:29:52 -0800, [email hidden] (Winfried

Buechsenschuetz) said:

The selenium level in Germany is a bit under average but there has
never been a reported case of any disease that might have been caused
by lack of selenium. Many people say that at least in Germany a
selenium supplement is not necessary.

As I reminds the soil in Germany most places are rather
neutral/alkaline and relatively high in Se. In Scandinavia and England
mean intake is now less than 50 ug daily except amongst people eating
lot of fish. Earlier in Norway we used lot of US or Canadian wheat
quite high in Se, now we use Se-free wheat (giving less than 1 ug pr
kg) which give animals lots of problems so veterinarians has to give
sheep and pigs a big dose of Se and vit E monthly.

On 16 Feb 2005 04:04:15 -0800, [email hidden] (Winfried

Buechsenschuetz) said:

BTW, consumers in Germany would be happy if they could receive a pack
of vit E on prescripition (whatever it may cost) instead of paying USD
4 for it. Due to the german health insurance system you never pay more
than a fixed amount depending on package size, NOT depending on actual
cost. Very few people in Germany pay themselves for their prescription
drugs.

Same here. I would really look forward to get any drugs that must be
used chronicly on a blue prescription (but I think it is not possible)

If also green prescription would be free for paying after reaching an
upper limit, I would love it. (free access to physical studios, free
vegetables and lot of other healthy stuff).

N10 said:

Wake up and smell the assault on your freeedom.

http://www.hfma.co.uk/FoodSupplementsDirectiveDebate25.1.05.pdf

Can't you rather cite some government pages, rather than a consulting
firm who are free to tell any fairytale on the net.

UK has no White House. It must be a fake site.

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Juhana Harju said:

I recall that the feed given to salmons contains grains which are
changed into arachidonic acid by the metabolism of salmon. However, I am
not sure about this.

grains and corn is not a natural food at all for salmons or any other
fishes :-)
But it is cheap for the fish farmer. So they give a damn and sell the
fish as a prime source of omega-3 acids.

And people believe that and omega-6 dependent diseases flourish and
fish intake is blamed.

Farmed salmon is seen as an inferior product.
Higher toxin loads and less omega 3 fatty acids.

The oil tankers are doing their part to destroy
the salmon fishery. The area around the Valdez
tanker leak is still damaged contrary to what the AM
radio prostitutes say.

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N10 said:

Wake up and smell the assault on your freeedom.

http://www.hfma.co.uk/FoodSupplementsDirectiveDebate25.1.05.pdf

Can't you rather cite some government pages, rather than a consulting
firm who are free to tell any fairytale on the net.

UK has no White House. It must be a fake site.

You either cant read, dont know what your talking about or both lol

N10

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You either cant read, dont know what your talking about or both lol

UK has a Parliament, not a White House.
USA has a White House on the other side.
Don't mix that.