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  1. A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    I thought about trying to discover how much it costs to provide a
    car-space (and hoping that it is more than the land occupied by my
    shed)

    There is also the fact that by me not using a car, it is easier for
    her to park her car.

    What other arguments can you provide me with?

    Thanks, Rich x

    --
    Jesus was apparently betrayed by 8.3% of his disciples.

  2. "Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    I thought about trying to discover how much it costs to provide a
    car-space (and hoping that it is more than the land occupied by my
    shed)

    There is also the fact that by me not using a car, it is easier for
    her to park her car.

    What other arguments can you provide me with?

    Thanks, Rich x

    Tell her to mind her own business and get a life! ;o)

    --
    Regards, Paul (R)
    My Lake District walking site:
    www.lakelandwalker.co.uk

  3. Response to Richard Bates:

    Quoted message said:

    There is also the fact that by me not using a car, it is easier for
    her to park her car.

    What other arguments can you provide me with?

    Tell her that if she cycles to work, she can have half of it.

    If that doesn't work, offer to incorporate her into the foundations.

    --
    Mark, UK.

    "Morals consist of political morals, commercial morals,
    ecclesiastical morals, and morals."

  4. On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:40:29 +0000 someone who may be Richard Bates
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    Bike shed or bike hutch?

    One can fit eight parked bikes into the space occupied by one parked
    car. This allows the company to make much better use of space.

    How much it costs for one car parking space depends on the value of
    land and what sort of car park it is. Your council should have
    figures on the cost of public car parks in the area. As well as the
    tarmac there is also lighting, line painting and access controls.

    Some useful links:

    http://www.oxfordcycleworkshop.org.uk/ocw/projects/commuting.php

    http://www.cycling.bham.ac.uk/resources/employer.htm

    http://www.nationalcyclingstrategy.org.uk/parking_and_security.html

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
    I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
    prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

  5. Richard Bates said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    I thought about trying to discover how much it costs to provide a
    car-space (and hoping that it is more than the land occupied by my
    shed)

    There is also the fact that by me not using a car, it is easier for
    her to park her car.

    What other arguments can you provide me with?

    1) Park the bike in a parking space. No one said it was for cars did they?

    2) Drive to work and park the car in her slot.

    3) Suggest she should ride to work and use the bike shed.

    4) Ask here if her her sex life is going ok.

    5) Duck. Not the aquatic kind.

  6. "Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    If he/she was to use a bike, then he/she would be able to use it. Other than
    that, tell him/her it's non of his/her damn business!

    Cheers, helen s

  7. Richard Bates said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    I thought about trying to discover how much it costs to provide a
    car-space (and hoping that it is more than the land occupied by my
    shed)

    There is also the fact that by me not using a car, it is easier for
    her to park her car.

    What other arguments can you provide me with?

    You probably won't convince her - its most likely an emotional not
    logical issue for her. She probably won't have a clue what it costs or
    what else the land could be used for but is objecting just to the fact
    that you have it pure and simple. Just ignore her and suggest she take
    it up with the senior management if she has a problem with their
    decision. I am sure they will be delighted.

    Tony

  8. Richard Bates said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    I thought about trying to discover how much it costs to provide a
    car-space (and hoping that it is more than the land occupied by my
    shed)

    There is also the fact that by me not using a car, it is easier for
    her to park her car.

    What other arguments can you provide me with?

    The employer wants to keep the cyclist employee so they give him a bike
    shed. They might do the same for motorist employees if sheds were needed
    for cars.

    ~PB

  9. Richard Bates said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    Does her complaining cut any weight with anyone who has influence on the
    decision-making process? If not, I would try to ignore it in the hope
    that she will soon get bored and find something else to whinge about.

    If she continues to kick up a fuss, just tell her to shut up and stop
    being so childish.

    If that fails, staple her eyelids to her desk and set fire to her hair.

    d.

  10. Tony Raven said:
    Richard Bates said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    I thought about trying to discover how much it costs to provide a
    car-space (and hoping that it is more than the land occupied by my
    shed)

    There is also the fact that by me not using a car, it is easier for
    her to park her car.

    What other arguments can you provide me with?

    You probably won't convince her - its most likely an emotional not
    logical issue for her. She probably won't have a clue what it costs or
    what else the land could be used for but is objecting just to the fact
    that you have it pure and simple. Just ignore her and suggest she take
    it up with the senior management if she has a problem with their
    decision. I am sure they will be delighted.

    There are people who cannot spot the difference between their detriment
    (a reasonable basis for complaint) and somebody else's benefit (none of
    their business). Has her own parking space been taken away to make room
    for the bike shed? Is the bike shed to be yours and yours only? Has she
    asked for a bike shed as well and been turned down?

    If she is provided with a free parking space she is already in a receipt
    of a benefit that many people will greatly envy; a benefit significant
    enough that the Inland Revenue have considered taxing it.

    Tony's right (assuming the answers to the above questions are the likely
    ones). If she tries to make a big deal about it she is just going to
    look stupid, bitter and unreasonable. The danger then is that the
    management do not have the nerve or the will power to stand up to her.
    Sometimes it is just so much quicker and easier to give way to stupid
    people.

    --
    Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

  11. It seems to me that if the employer is providing her with parking then
    she has no argument. The employer is essentially supplying her with
    about (20 X 8) 160 sq. ft of storage space on which she parks her
    mobile storage shed/vehicle.

    Of course, many car drivers seem literally to not understand something
    like this.

    John Kane
    Kingston ON. Canada

  12. "Richard Bates" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    I thought about trying to discover how much it costs to provide a
    car-space (and hoping that it is more than the land occupied by my
    shed)

    There is also the fact that by me not using a car, it is easier for
    her to park her car.

    What other arguments can you provide me with?


    Point out that it is completely selfish that you get a 'garage' and that she
    must use the carpark. But remind her that she is welcome to become one of
    the priviledged few.

    Gavin

  13. Quoted message said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    She loves you, and this makes you notice her. She's nice really.

  14. Mark Thompson said:
    Quoted message said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    She loves you, and this makes you notice her. She's nice really.

    If she would look good in lycra, encourage her to cycle. This will
    improve the view.

    If she wouldn't look good in lycra, encourage her to cycle so that she
    does look good in lycra. This will improve the view in a few months.

    Share the shed.

    Pictures may be posted if worth sharing.

  15. On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 15:40:29 +0000, Richard Bates
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.
    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    Why put the flames out when you can pour petrol on them and get a
    really good blaze going?

    Try: "Yes, good, isn't it? Plus, with the IR176 scheme, they will pay
    half the cost of the bike as well."

    Guy
    --
    "then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
    blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
    onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
    around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

  16. you know? said:

    Try: "Yes, good, isn't it? Plus, with the IR176 scheme, they will pay
    half the cost of the bike as well."

    It's a registered charity - do the same tax rules apply?

    --
    Jesus was apparently betrayed by 8.3% of his disciples.

  17. Mark Thompson said:
    Quoted message said:

    A fellow employee at my new job is a little vocal about the fact that
    I am having a bike shed provided for me.

    What good arguments can I use to convince that it is no big deal.

    She loves you, and this makes you notice her. She's nice really.

    .... and once you have a *bike* *shed*, the two of you can go behind it
    and get passionate! Or at least have a smoke. Or have a smoke after
    you've been passionate.

    --
    Joe * If I cannot be free I'll be cheap

  18. On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:37:15 +0000 someone who may be Richard Bates
    <[email hidden]> wrote this:-

    Quoted message said:

    It's a registered charity

    Often hotbeds of serial motorists.

    I would have been amused to note that someone from a "charity" that
    claims to work for children had a company car. All their senior
    staff had one. The greatest killers of children (other than family
    members) are probably motorists. I would have been amused, if it was
    not so serious.

    However, after a bit or re-education the person concerned got rid of
    the company car, much to the annoyance of the "charity".

    --
    David Hansen, Edinburgh | PGP email preferred-key number F566DA0E
    I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
    prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

  19. On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:37:15 +0000, Richard Bates
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Try: "Yes, good, isn't it? Plus, with the IR176 scheme, they will pay
    half the cost of the bike as well."

    Quoted message said:

    It's a registered charity - do the same tax rules apply?

    Well, now, IANA(tax)L but I think you will find that it applies in
    respect of any employer, where the bike is bought primarily for use in
    commuting.

    Guy
    --
    "then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
    blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
    onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
    around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

  20. Just zis Guy said:

    On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 20:37:15 +0000, Richard Bates
    <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    <[email hidden]>:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Try: "Yes, good, isn't it? Plus, with the IR176 scheme, they will pay
    half the cost of the bike as well."

    Quoted message said:

    It's a registered charity - do the same tax rules apply?

    Well, now, IANA(tax)L but I think you will find that it applies in
    respect of any employer, where the bike is bought primarily for use in
    commuting.

    Guy

    where's the part in ir176 where you can get half the cost of the bike? a
    galaxy or super galaxy would fall into my price range at that point!

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