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  1. Has any one tried the fat fast?

  2. No, and it can't be found in Google either.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Carb Freebie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?

  3. JC Der Koenig said:

    No, and it can't be found in Google either.

    www.lowcarbing.com/llc/atkins/fatfast.htm

  4. Carb Freebie said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?

    The Fat Fast, as outlined by Dr. Atkins in Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution, is a tool that low carbers who are metabolically resistant can use to get themselves quickly into ketosis. It is also used by many low carbers (myself among them) to break a weight loss plateau or as a means of forcing themselves to get back on track when they have gone off-plan.

    Simply put, the Fat Fast consists of a 3 or 5-day cycle in which you
    consume just 1,000 calories a day. 90% of those calories should come
    from fat. (The Fat Fast should not be extended beyond 5 days because it
    is deficient in protein.)

    Dr. Atkins states that eating 4 or 5 mini-meals is better for our bodies
    than eating one large meal while doing the Fat Fast. During the Fat Fast
    you may consume either 4 250-calorie mini-meals or 5 200-calorie
    mini-meals. Consuming these small meals frequently throughout the day
    actually works better than complete fasting.

    Dr. Atkins mentions cream cheese and macadamia nuts as the "perfect" Fat
    Fast foods. Ten ounces of cream cheese would be an entire day's food
    allotment; divide the cream cheese into 5 2-ounce servings. You could
    also opt for 5 ounces of macadamia nuts split into 5 1-ounce servings
    and consumed throughout the day.

    That's not a lot of food. I find that when I do the Fat Fast I think
    about food constantly. I don't obsess about food because I get hungry
    (surprisingly, I do not get hungry), but simply because I can't have any
    - at least not any that I really want. The Fat Fast makes regular strict
    low carbing look absolutely luxurious.

    I'm going to be completely honest here: I hate, loathe, and detest doing
    the Fat Fast. I get very grumpy because I get frustrated. My family says
    that I don't, but that just makes me think that they don't notice the
    difference because maybe, just maybe, I'm a pretty grumpy person all the
    time. It's either that or the kids are ignoring me in the same way they
    do when I tell them to clean their rooms or do their homework. Or
    perhaps they simply value their lives and know when to keep their mouths
    shut. The survival instinct is very strong in my brood.

    (***Note: "But I was doing the Fat Fast!" is not a legitimate legal
    defense for mayhem or murder. I know this is true. I've checked.)

    OK, I know what you want to ask me: "If the Fat Fast is so incredibly
    awful, why do you do it, you stupid woman?!?" (Well, you might not say
    the "stupid woman" part because you are ever so polite, but I know
    you're thinking it.)

    Why? Because it works for me. If I am not in ketosis when I start the
    Fat Fast, I am when it's over. If I am having cravings to beat the band
    and hanging on by the skin of my teeth, when the Fat Fast is over the
    cravings are G - O - N - E and I'm perfectly happy to go back to
    munching on chicken legs and salads. If I've hit a plateau and stopped
    losing weight, my weight loss is jump started.

    I've done the Fat Fast a half a dozen times in the last three years, and
    each time I have lost between 5 and 8 pounds during the three-day cycle.
    After I go back to eating normal low carb, I gain 2 to 4 of those pounds
    back, but have always ended up with a net loss for the 3-day period of
    between 2 to 4 pounds. (Your experience may be different from mine. The
    only way to find out for sure is to try it.)

    Of course, a lot of people don't even consider doing the Fat Fast to get
    into ketosis or to break a stall because they can't stand the idea of
    subsisting on plain cream cheese and/or macadamia nuts for 3 days. I
    don't know about you, but I would be more likely to be able to cut off
    my big toe with a dull paring knife than I would be able to gag down 10
    ounces of plain cream cheese. My throat closes up at the very thought.
    And I don't particularly like macadamia nuts, either.

    Well, I don't have to choke down plain cream cheese or eat macadamia
    nuts, thank goodness. You don't, either. Dr. Atkins lists several
    alternatives in his chapter on the Fat Fast, and although caviar and
    avocados don't appeal to me, you may very well like them.

    I have also developed a list of alternative food choices for the Fat
    Fast, which I've listed below. Some of them don't quite come up to the
    "90% of the calories from fat" parameter, but they come close enough and
    have worked for me.

    Fat Fast Ideas And Recipes

    There is one further plus to the Fast Fast which I haven't mentioned.
    There is very little food preparation involved. None of the ideas or
    recipes listed below will take you more than 5 minutes to prepare.

    1. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream in a large mug of coffee (I use
    this to jump start my day and prevent abuse of those near and sometimes
    dear to me. In the summer I make it the night before and put it in the
    refrigerator, then pour it over ice. You could also pour it into
    popsicle molds and freeze it for Coffee Fat Fasticles. Yum!)

    2. 4 strips of bacon

    3. Peanut Butter Cream Cheese
    * 1 ounce cream cheese
    * 1 tablespoon sugar free peanut butter
    * 1 tablespoon heavy or whipping cream
    * 10 drops Liquid Sweet & Low (or artificial sweetener of
    your choice)
    * 1/8 teaspoon ground cinnamon
    Blend all ingredients in a small bowl.

    Serves 1. Approximately 208 calories.

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for individual
    servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    4. 2 ounces of cream cheese stuffed in one large celery stalk

    5. 1/2 pork rinds with 2 ounces of sour cream

    6. Pork Rinds With Sour Cream Dip (This is not my recipe - Judi
    (Island Girl) forwarded it to me.)
    * 1/2 ounce plain pork rinds (1/6 of 3-ounce bag)
    * 1/4 cup sour cream
    * 1 tablespoon grated parmesan cheese
    Blend parmesan into sour cream and use as dip for pork rinds

    Without Parmesan: 164 calories, 8 grams fat (79%)

    With Parmesan: 187 calories, 15 grams fat (77%)

    7. 2 tablespoons of sugar free peanut butter on an approximately 7
    1/2-inch stalk of celery.

    8. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream, whipped, sweetened with
    artificial sweetener, and flavored with vanilla or some other extract.

    9. 2 ounces of sour cream on approximately 1/2 cup sliced cucumber.

    10. Tuna or chicken salad with triple the usually amount of mayonnaise.

    I cook the bejeebers out of a whole chicken in the crockpot until
    the meat is literally falling off the bones, then shred the meat and
    save it for chicken salad or for soups. I strain the broth carefully
    (watch for small bones!) and freeze it.

    I will usually reuse the broth to cook more than one chicken,
    which results in a superb, flavorful extra-strength broth which is great
    to sip on if you're sick.

    11. 2 egg yolks mashed up with lots of mayonnaise, salt, and pepper
    (like you would for deviled eggs), but eaten plain or with a few pork
    rinds, cucumber slices, or a celery stick

    12. Peanut Butter Pudding (This is Rani Merens' recipe.)
    * 2 tablespoons of sour cream
    * 1 teaspoon sugar free peanut butter
    * Splenda (to taste)
    Combine all the ingredients. This thickens up magnificently, and
    can either be eaten "as is" or partially frozen, but don't let it get
    rock hard unless you just want to suck on it.

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for individual
    servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    13. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream in a can of diet soda (any flavor)

    14. 1/2 package sugar free Jell-O in 1/2 cup whipped heavy or
    whipping cream

    15. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream, whipped, with 1 teaspoon
    unsweetened cocoa powder and a few drops of liquid artificial sweetener
    added (to taste).

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for individual
    servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    16. Jell-O Whip (Someone named Chris sent this to me a couple of
    years ago.)
    * 1 small package sugar free Jell-O (any flavor)
    * 1/2 cup boiling water
    * 4 ice cubes
    * 8 ounces cream cheese, at room temperature and cut into cubes
    * 4 tablespoons heavy or whipping cream
    Dissolve the Jell-O completely in the boiling water, then add the
    ice cubes to cool it down and to thicken it.

    When the ice cubes are melted, pour the gelatin mixture in the
    blender and add the cutup cream cheese. Whirl it around until the
    ingredients are completely blended. Pour the mixture into a mixing bowl.

    Whip the four ounces of cream, then fold it into the cream cheese
    mixture.

    Divide the mixture into 5 equal portions, cover each with plastic
    wrap, and put them in the refrigerator to chill.

    This makes 5 servings, or all the you need for one day of the Fat
    Fast. Of course, you wouldn't have to eat all 5 servings in one day. You
    could alternate them with other food choices.

    17. Cream Cheese Jell-O Chunks (Someone sent me this idea, too, but
    I've misplaced their name).

    10 ounces cream cheese, cut into 20 equal squares (Not softened!)
    1 small packet sugar free Jell-O, any flavor

    Pour the dry gelatin powder into a small bowl or onto a salad
    plate. Set aside.

    Roll the 20 cream cheese squares into balls. Roll each ball in
    the dry gelatin mixture. Place the coated balls on a plate, cover them
    with plastic wrap, and put them in the refrigerator until you're ready
    to eat them

    Each Fat Fast serving is 4 balls.

  5. "Carb Freebie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?


    =====================
    It didn't help me any. If you try it you better have a lot of both
    Metamucil and some anti-diarreal on hand. Some people need one or the other
    when duing these fat fasts.
    --
    Wysong
    Age 60. Height 5'6"
    Starting date: 1/8/05
    171/ 167 / 140 lb
    ==========================================

  6. You're certainly a quick one.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Bunky42" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JC Der Koenig said:

    No, and it can't be found in Google either.

    www.lowcarbing.com/llc/atkins/fatfast.htm

  7. Thanks for the awesome info--I may have to try this sometimes I have a hard
    time getting into ketosis..

    Glitter Girl
    "Bunky42" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Carb Freebie said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?

    The Fat Fast, as outlined by Dr. Atkins in Dr. Atkins New Diet
    Revolution, is a tool that low carbers who are metabolically resistant
    can use to get themselves quickly into ketosis. It is also used by many
    low carbers (myself among them) to break a weight loss plateau or as a
    means of forcing themselves to get back on track when they have gone
    off-plan.

    Simply put, the Fat Fast consists of a 3 or 5-day cycle in which you
    consume just 1,000 calories a day. 90% of those calories should come from
    fat. (The Fat Fast should not be extended beyond 5 days because it is
    deficient in protein.)

    Dr. Atkins states that eating 4 or 5 mini-meals is better for our bodies
    than eating one large meal while doing the Fat Fast. During the Fat Fast
    you may consume either 4 250-calorie mini-meals or 5 200-calorie
    mini-meals. Consuming these small meals frequently throughout the day
    actually works better than complete fasting.

    Dr. Atkins mentions cream cheese and macadamia nuts as the "perfect" Fat
    Fast foods. Ten ounces of cream cheese would be an entire day's food
    allotment; divide the cream cheese into 5 2-ounce servings. You could also
    opt for 5 ounces of macadamia nuts split into 5 1-ounce servings and
    consumed throughout the day.

    That's not a lot of food. I find that when I do the Fat Fast I think about
    food constantly. I don't obsess about food because I get hungry
    (surprisingly, I do not get hungry), but simply because I can't have any -
    at least not any that I really want. The Fat Fast makes regular strict low
    carbing look absolutely luxurious.

    I'm going to be completely honest here: I hate, loathe, and detest doing
    the Fat Fast. I get very grumpy because I get frustrated. My family says
    that I don't, but that just makes me think that they don't notice the
    difference because maybe, just maybe, I'm a pretty grumpy person all the
    time. It's either that or the kids are ignoring me in the same way they do
    when I tell them to clean their rooms or do their homework. Or perhaps
    they simply value their lives and know when to keep their mouths shut. The
    survival instinct is very strong in my brood.

    (***Note: "But I was doing the Fat Fast!" is not a legitimate legal
    defense for mayhem or murder. I know this is true. I've checked.)

    OK, I know what you want to ask me: "If the Fat Fast is so incredibly
    awful, why do you do it, you stupid woman?!?" (Well, you might not say the
    "stupid woman" part because you are ever so polite, but I know you're
    thinking it.)

    Why? Because it works for me. If I am not in ketosis when I start the Fat
    Fast, I am when it's over. If I am having cravings to beat the band and
    hanging on by the skin of my teeth, when the Fat Fast is over the cravings
    are G - O - N - E and I'm perfectly happy to go back to munching on
    chicken legs and salads. If I've hit a plateau and stopped losing weight,
    my weight loss is jump started.

    I've done the Fat Fast a half a dozen times in the last three years, and
    each time I have lost between 5 and 8 pounds during the three-day cycle.
    After I go back to eating normal low carb, I gain 2 to 4 of those pounds
    back, but have always ended up with a net loss for the 3-day period of
    between 2 to 4 pounds. (Your experience may be different from mine. The
    only way to find out for sure is to try it.)

    Of course, a lot of people don't even consider doing the Fat Fast to get
    into ketosis or to break a stall because they can't stand the idea of
    subsisting on plain cream cheese and/or macadamia nuts for 3 days. I don't
    know about you, but I would be more likely to be able to cut off my big
    toe with a dull paring knife than I would be able to gag down 10 ounces of
    plain cream cheese. My throat closes up at the very thought. And I don't
    particularly like macadamia nuts, either.

    Well, I don't have to choke down plain cream cheese or eat macadamia nuts,
    thank goodness. You don't, either. Dr. Atkins lists several alternatives
    in his chapter on the Fat Fast, and although caviar and avocados don't
    appeal to me, you may very well like them.

    I have also developed a list of alternative food choices for the Fat Fast,
    which I've listed below. Some of them don't quite come up to the "90% of
    the calories from fat" parameter, but they come close enough and have
    worked for me.

    Fat Fast Ideas And Recipes

    There is one further plus to the Fast Fast which I haven't mentioned.
    There is very little food preparation involved. None of the ideas or
    recipes listed below will take you more than 5 minutes to prepare.

    1. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream in a large mug of coffee (I use this
    to jump start my day and prevent abuse of those near and sometimes dear to
    me. In the summer I make it the night before and put it in the
    refrigerator, then pour it over ice. You could also pour it into popsicle
    molds and freeze it for Coffee Fat Fasticles. Yum!)

    2. 4 strips of bacon

    3. Peanut Butter Cream Cheese
    * 1 ounce cream cheese
    * 1 tablespoon sugar free peanut butter
    * 1 tablespoon heavy or whipping cream
    * 10 drops Liquid Sweet & Low (or artificial sweetener of your
    choice)
    * 1/8 teaspoon ground cinnamon
    Blend all ingredients in a small bowl.

    Serves 1. Approximately 208 calories.

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one time
    and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for individual
    servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    4. 2 ounces of cream cheese stuffed in one large celery stalk

    5. 1/2 pork rinds with 2 ounces of sour cream

    6. Pork Rinds With Sour Cream Dip (This is not my recipe - Judi (Island
    Girl) forwarded it to me.)
    * 1/2 ounce plain pork rinds (1/6 of 3-ounce bag)
    * 1/4 cup sour cream
    * 1 tablespoon grated parmesan cheese
    Blend parmesan into sour cream and use as dip for pork rinds

    Without Parmesan: 164 calories, 8 grams fat (79%)

    With Parmesan: 187 calories, 15 grams fat (77%)

    7. 2 tablespoons of sugar free peanut butter on an approximately 7
    1/2-inch stalk of celery.

    8. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream, whipped, sweetened with artificial
    sweetener, and flavored with vanilla or some other extract.

    9. 2 ounces of sour cream on approximately 1/2 cup sliced cucumber.

    10. Tuna or chicken salad with triple the usually amount of mayonnaise.

    I cook the bejeebers out of a whole chicken in the crockpot until
    the meat is literally falling off the bones, then shred the meat and save
    it for chicken salad or for soups. I strain the broth carefully (watch for
    small bones!) and freeze it.

    I will usually reuse the broth to cook more than one chicken, which
    results in a superb, flavorful extra-strength broth which is great to sip
    on if you're sick.

    11. 2 egg yolks mashed up with lots of mayonnaise, salt, and pepper
    (like you would for deviled eggs), but eaten plain or with a few pork
    rinds, cucumber slices, or a celery stick

    12. Peanut Butter Pudding (This is Rani Merens' recipe.)
    * 2 tablespoons of sour cream
    * 1 teaspoon sugar free peanut butter
    * Splenda (to taste)
    Combine all the ingredients. This thickens up magnificently, and can
    either be eaten "as is" or partially frozen, but don't let it get rock
    hard unless you just want to suck on it.

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one time
    and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for individual
    servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    13. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream in a can of diet soda (any flavor)

    14. 1/2 package sugar free Jell-O in 1/2 cup whipped heavy or whipping
    cream

    15. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream, whipped, with 1 teaspoon
    unsweetened cocoa powder and a few drops of liquid artificial sweetener
    added (to taste).

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one time
    and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for individual
    servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    16. Jell-O Whip (Someone named Chris sent this to me a couple of years
    ago.)
    * 1 small package sugar free Jell-O (any flavor)
    * 1/2 cup boiling water
    * 4 ice cubes
    * 8 ounces cream cheese, at room temperature and cut into cubes
    * 4 tablespoons heavy or whipping cream
    Dissolve the Jell-O completely in the boiling water, then add the
    ice cubes to cool it down and to thicken it.

    When the ice cubes are melted, pour the gelatin mixture in the
    blender and add the cutup cream cheese. Whirl it around until the
    ingredients are completely blended. Pour the mixture into a mixing bowl.

    Whip the four ounces of cream, then fold it into the cream cheese
    mixture.

    Divide the mixture into 5 equal portions, cover each with plastic
    wrap, and put them in the refrigerator to chill.

    This makes 5 servings, or all the you need for one day of the Fat
    Fast. Of course, you wouldn't have to eat all 5 servings in one day. You
    could alternate them with other food choices.

    17. Cream Cheese Jell-O Chunks (Someone sent me this idea, too, but I've
    misplaced their name).

    10 ounces cream cheese, cut into 20 equal squares (Not softened!) 1
    small packet sugar free Jell-O, any flavor

    Pour the dry gelatin powder into a small bowl or onto a salad plate.
    Set aside.

    Roll the 20 cream cheese squares into balls. Roll each ball in the
    dry gelatin mixture. Place the coated balls on a plate, cover them with
    plastic wrap, and put them in the refrigerator until you're ready to eat
    them

    Each Fat Fast serving is 4 balls.

  8. I've never run into that.

    "Wysong *~" <P@P> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "Carb Freebie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?


    =====================
    It didn't help me any. If you try it you better have a lot of both
    Metamucil and some anti-diarreal on hand. Some people need one or the


    other

    Quoted message said:

    when duing these fat fasts.
    --
    Wysong
    Age 60. Height 5'6"
    Starting date: 1/8/05
    171/ 167 / 140 lb
    ==========================================

  9. The "Fat Fast" is our "sacrament" at the Low Carb High Fat Yahoo group.

    http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LowCarbHighFat/

    "Carb Freebie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?

  10. On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:39:52 GMT, "Carb Freebie" <[email hidden]>

    Quoted message said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?

    I've done it twice.

    I had stalled both times and wanted to try something other than
    fasting. Fasting always works better and faster, but Atkin's fat
    fast is easier on the body and slightly easier to endure. I still
    hate it though and in a perfect world, I would maintain normal low
    carb eating and increase the exercise to break the stall.
    Unfortunately, I resist exercise with a passion.

  11. "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    No, and it can't be found in Google either.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    What? Wrong again Mr. Troll... you once again prove how little you know,
    except how to be nasty to people. Any Atkins vet knows all about the fat
    fast.

    --
    *7 years & 50 lbs permanently off Atkins Guy

  12. JC Der Koenig said:

    No, and it can't be found in Google either.

    Methinks your sarcasm got lost among the crowd.

    Marsha/Ohio

  13. Thank you, thank you, thank you! I just started the Fat Fast today,
    this has a lot of options! 🙂

    -Michelle

  14. Carb Freebie said:


    Has any one tried the fat fast?

    Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    of the other excuse-deductions. Nearly without
    exception the people who do it never qualified.

    That said, there are reasons for doing it even
    though you're not qualified. For plateau
    busitng it's maybe the fifth tactic to try.
    For folks who have tried the usual stuff first:
    more carbs, less carbs, more fat, less fat,
    more total calories, less total calories and
    none of those works the extreme move of the
    fat fast makes sense.

    When it doesn't make sense is for the standard
    week 3 pause, because someone didn't see a new
    low in the last week after seeing new lows under
    a month ago, folks who have stalled because they
    refuse to move on to OWL and so on.

  15. "Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JC Der Koenig said:

    No, and it can't be found in Google either.

    Methinks your sarcasm got lost among the crowd.

    So it seems.

  16. LOL

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Glassman" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "JC Der Koenig" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:

    No, and it can't be found in Google either.

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    What? Wrong again Mr. Troll... you once again prove how little you know,
    except how to be nasty to people. Any Atkins vet knows all about the fat
    fast.

    --
    *7 years & 50 lbs permanently off Atkins Guy

  17. JC Der Koenig said:

    "Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JC Der Koenig said:

    No, and it can't be found in Google either.

    Methinks your sarcasm got lost among the crowd.

    So it seems.


    Me thinks JC is truely to stupid to Google properly.

  18. To, or too?

    --
    You take stupid to a new level. -- MFW

    "Bunky42" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JC Der Koenig said:

    "Marsha" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    JC Der Koenig wrote:

    >No, and it can't be found in Google either.
    >

    Methinks your sarcasm got lost among the crowd.

    So it seems.


    Me thinks JC is truely to stupid to Google properly.

  19. "Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    of the other excuse-deductions. Nearly without
    exception the people who do it never qualified."

    Here's another one of your classic baseless assertions presented as
    authoritative fact. And since when did deducting fiber from the carb
    count become an "excuse-deduction" Do you even know anything at all
    about Atkins?

    "When it doesn't make sense is for the standard
    week 3 pause, because someone didn't see a new
    low in the last week after seeing new lows under
    a month ago,"

    I suppose this gem comes from your internet observations too. Where
    are all these people doing fat fasts at 3 weeks? I don't see them,
    apparently only you find them for your record books.

  20. JC Der Koenig said:

    To, or too?


    Take your pick Turd brain

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