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  1. Ah, but the fat fast can teach dieters to count calories. Also, it can set
    a pattern for eating small meals distributed throughout the day.

    I think the warnings are based in the CYA that doctors have to do.

    Add a little protein, and the fat fast can be a way of life.

    "Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Carb Freebie said:


    Has any one tried the fat fast?

    Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    of the other excuse-deductions. Nearly without
    exception the people who do it never qualified.

    That said, there are reasons for doing it even
    though you're not qualified. For plateau
    busitng it's maybe the fifth tactic to try.
    For folks who have tried the usual stuff first:
    more carbs, less carbs, more fat, less fat,
    more total calories, less total calories and
    none of those works the extreme move of the
    fat fast makes sense.

    When it doesn't make sense is for the standard
    week 3 pause, because someone didn't see a new
    low in the last week after seeing new lows under
    a month ago, folks who have stalled because they
    refuse to move on to OWL and so on.

  2. Cubit wrote:
    :: Ah, but the fat fast can teach dieters to count calories. Also, it
    :: can set a pattern for eating small meals distributed throughout the
    :: day.
    ::

    There are other ways to do this.

    :: I think the warnings are based in the CYA that doctors have to do.
    ::
    :: Add a little protein, and the fat fast can be a way of life.

    It is important to get adequate protein.

    ::
    ::
    :: "Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :: news:[email hidden]...
    ::: Carb Freebie wrote:
    ::::
    :::: Has any one tried the fat fast?
    :::
    ::: Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    ::: qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    ::: who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    ::: grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    ::: of the other excuse-deductions. Nearly without
    ::: exception the people who do it never qualified.
    :::
    ::: That said, there are reasons for doing it even
    ::: though you're not qualified. For plateau
    ::: busitng it's maybe the fifth tactic to try.
    ::: For folks who have tried the usual stuff first:
    ::: more carbs, less carbs, more fat, less fat,
    ::: more total calories, less total calories and
    ::: none of those works the extreme move of the
    ::: fat fast makes sense.
    :::
    ::: When it doesn't make sense is for the standard
    ::: week 3 pause, because someone didn't see a new
    ::: low in the last week after seeing new lows under
    ::: a month ago, folks who have stalled because they
    ::: refuse to move on to OWL and so on.

  3. [email hidden] wrote:
    :: "Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    :: qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    :: who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    :: grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    :: of the other excuse-deductions. Nearly without
    :: exception the people who do it never qualified."
    ::
    :: Here's another one of your classic baseless assertions presented as
    :: authoritative fact. And since when did deducting fiber from the carb
    :: count become an "excuse-deduction" Do you even know anything at all
    :: about Atkins?
    ::
    :: "When it doesn't make sense is for the standard
    :: week 3 pause, because someone didn't see a new
    :: low in the last week after seeing new lows under
    :: a month ago,"
    ::
    :: I suppose this gem comes from your internet observations too. Where
    :: are all these people doing fat fasts at 3 weeks? I don't see them,
    :: apparently only you find them for your record books.

    I don't see any statement about "all these people doing fat fasts at 3
    weeks." The comment is simply that a FF is not needed at week 3, after
    induction, when weight loss seems to slow.

  4. "The comment is simply that a FF is not needed at week 3, after
    induction, when weight loss seems to slow."

    The comment was:
    (Fat fasts are)
    "Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    of the other excuse-deductions."

    This is another gem presented authoritatively as fact and based on
    what? The posts I see here from most folks considering fat fasts
    suggest they are doing it because they have tried other alternatives
    first. And the OP was asking for advice from folks who had done a fat
    fast. Without even asking what this person's circumstances are, why
    they want to do it, etc, DF starts in claiming that just about everyone
    doing a fat fast is wrong. And it gets even more bizarre when he
    refered to deducting fiber from carb counts as being an
    "excuse-deduction" As for the 3 week thing, DF brought it into the
    equation, so it seems he must think that a significant number of people
    are doing it at 3 weeks. I don't see that at all, do you?

  5. :: "When it doesn't make sense is for the standard
    :: week 3 pause, because someone didn't see a new
    :: low in the last week after seeing new lows under
    :: a month ago,"
    ::
    :: I suppose this gem comes from your internet observations too. Where
    :: are all these people doing fat fasts at 3 weeks? I don't see them,
    :: apparently only you find them for your record books.

    Geez....

    [email hidden] wrote:
    :: "The comment is simply that a FF is not needed at week 3, after
    :: induction, when weight loss seems to slow."
    ::
    :: The comment was:
    :: (Fat fasts are)
    :: "Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    :: qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    :: who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    :: grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    :: of the other excuse-deductions."
    ::
    :: This is another gem presented authoritatively as fact and based on
    :: what? The posts I see here from most folks considering fat fasts
    :: suggest they are doing it because they have tried other alternatives
    :: first. And the OP was asking for advice from folks who had done a
    :: fat fast. Without even asking what this person's circumstances are,
    :: why they want to do it, etc, DF starts in claiming that just about
    :: everyone doing a fat fast is wrong. And it gets even more bizarre
    :: when he refered to deducting fiber from carb counts as being an
    :: "excuse-deduction" As for the 3 week thing, DF brought it into the
    :: equation, so it seems he must think that a significant number of
    :: people are doing it at 3 weeks. I don't see that at all, do you?

  6. [email hidden] wrote:
    :: "The comment is simply that a FF is not needed at week 3, after
    :: induction, when weight loss seems to slow."
    ::
    :: The comment was:
    :: (Fat fasts are)
    :: "Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    :: qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    :: who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    :: grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    :: of the other excuse-deductions."
    ::

    I didn't realize that paragraph below was new content, since it starts off
    like the ones you wrote before.

    :: This is another gem presented authoritatively as fact and based on
    :: what? The posts I see here from most folks considering fat fasts
    :: suggest they are doing it because they have tried other alternatives
    :: first.

    Some do, some done. Many claim to have stalled after week 3, or after
    weight loss seems to slow for a while.

    And the OP was asking for advice from folks who had done a
    :: fat fast. Without even asking what this person's circumstances are,
    :: why they want to do it, etc, DF starts in claiming that just about
    :: everyone doing a fat fast is wrong.

    That may be true....and it may not apply to the OP.

    And it gets even more bizarre
    :: when he refered to deducting fiber from carb counts as being an
    :: "excuse-deduction" As for the 3 week thing, DF brought it into the
    :: equation, so it seems he must think that a significant number of
    :: people are doing it at 3 weeks. I don't see that at all, do you?

    No, I don't see that.....but the statement that it isn't needed at 3 weeks
    is true. One could consider that as simply information that the OP didn't
    ask for. On usenet, you have no right to expect anything from a
    poster/replier...and if you get your questions addressed, that's great. If
    you don't, consider buying the book or finding professional help.

  7. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    "Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    of the other excuse-deductions. Nearly without
    exception the people who do it never qualified."

    Here's another one of your classic baseless assertions presented as
    authoritative fact. And since when did deducting fiber from the carb
    count become an "excuse-deduction" Do you even know anything at all
    about Atkins?

    A good example of an "excuse-deduction" would be someone buying a
    lo-carb refined product with a label in large letters claiming "3g. NET
    CARBS". The nutrition list on the back says there are 27g of carbs. Every
    trick in the book is used to arrive at that small number. An unaware dieter
    is lead to believe it is ok to have that item in their quota. 2 or 3 of
    these a day would stall weightloss.
    If a person wants to deduct fiber from brocolli, no problem. Eat all the
    brocolli you want. It is good for you. Just don't assume that a food company
    has calculated their contents in the proper way. That is an excuse. It is
    not uncommon for people to thwart their own efforts by justifying what they
    do.

    Quoted message said:


    "When it doesn't make sense is for the standard
    week 3 pause, because someone didn't see a new
    low in the last week after seeing new lows under
    a month ago,"

    I suppose this gem comes from your internet observations too. Where
    are all these people doing fat fasts at 3 weeks? I don't see them,
    apparently only you find them for your record books.

  8. Tom G wrote:
    :: <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    :: news:[email hidden]...
    ::: "Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    ::: qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    ::: who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    ::: grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    ::: of the other excuse-deductions. Nearly without
    ::: exception the people who do it never qualified."
    :::
    ::: Here's another one of your classic baseless assertions presented as
    ::: authoritative fact. And since when did deducting fiber from the
    ::: carb count become an "excuse-deduction" Do you even know anything
    ::: at all about Atkins?
    ::
    :: A good example of an "excuse-deduction" would be someone buying a
    :: lo-carb refined product with a label in large letters claiming "3g.
    :: NET CARBS". The nutrition list on the back says there are 27g of
    :: carbs. Every trick in the book is used to arrive at that small
    :: number. An unaware dieter is lead to believe it is ok to have that
    :: item in their quota. 2 or 3 of these a day would stall weightloss.
    :: If a person wants to deduct fiber from brocolli, no problem. Eat
    :: all the brocolli you want. It is good for you. Just don't assume
    :: that a food company has calculated their contents in the proper way.
    :: That is an excuse. It is not uncommon for people to thwart their own
    :: efforts by justifying what they do.

    Sad, but quite true.

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    "Almost exclusively done by people who are not
    qualified to do it. The fat fast is for people
    who could never get into ketosis at 20 carb
    grams total per day, not deducting fiber or any
    of the other excuse-deductions. Nearly without
    exception the people who do it never qualified."

    Here's another one of your classic baseless assertions presented as
    authoritative fact.

    Who are you talking to?

    --
    Saffire
    205/144/125 - 5'1.5"
    Atkins since 6/14/03
    Progress photo: http://photos.yahoo.com/saffire333

  10. " A good example of an "excuse-deduction" would be someone buying a
    lo-carb refined product with a label in large letters claiming "3g. NET
    CARBS". The nutrition list on the back says there are 27g of carbs.
    Every
    trick in the book is used to arrive at that small number. An unaware
    dieter
    is lead to believe it is ok to have that item in their quota. 2 or 3 of
    these a day would stall weightloss."

    I agree with that. What I had an issue with is the notion that somehow
    deducting fiber is an "excuse-deduction." In your example, the two
    things deducted in just about all cases are sugar alcohols and fiber.
    In a product containing a high carb count, the largest portion of those
    are usually sugar alcohols, not the fiber.

  11. And the word "gullible" can't be found in any dictionary.

    JC Der Koenig said:

    No, and it can't be found in Google either.

    Quoted message said:

    "Carb Freebie" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?

  12. I like to do the fat fast for a few days once in a while, just to get
    the engines restarted. Makes veggies taste all that much better when
    I'm done with it!

  13. <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    " A good example of an "excuse-deduction" would be someone buying a
    lo-carb refined product with a label in large letters claiming "3g. NET
    CARBS". The nutrition list on the back says there are 27g of carbs.
    Every
    trick in the book is used to arrive at that small number. An unaware
    dieter
    is lead to believe it is ok to have that item in their quota. 2 or 3 of
    these a day would stall weightloss."

    I agree with that. What I had an issue with is the notion that somehow
    deducting fiber is an "excuse-deduction." In your example, the two
    things deducted in just about all cases are sugar alcohols and fiber.
    In a product containing a high carb count, the largest portion of those
    are usually sugar alcohols, not the fiber.

    That's true.

    In regards to the fiber: I haven't studied many labels, as I don't eat
    packaged lo-carb foods. I'm wondering if the labels have the fiber deducted
    in the total, and then listed again to catch the attention of the consumer.
    30gr. carbs(of which fiber has already been deducted)
    25gr. protein
    6gr. fat

    11gr. fiber

    See what I mean? Now a consumer that is not careful will think, "Oh, it
    has 11gr. of fiber, so I can deduct that. I'm only actually eating 19gr. of
    carbs." Like I said, I don't know if that is true, but I'm suspicious enough
    to assume that they have thought of this and may in fact be doing it.

    Quoted message said:
  14. "Tom G" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:STBJd.171879$Xk.33017@pd7tw3no...

    I see this is being discussed in a "Net Carbs" post further down. I'll
    read those threads for the answer. Thanks.
    Tom
    210/180/180

  15. Xtile said:


    I like to do the fat fast for a few days once in a while, just to get

    Quoted message said:

    the engines restarted. Makes veggies taste all that much better when

    Quoted message said:

    I'm done with it!

    Someone who's technically not qualified to do it, using
    it for a benefit: making veggies taste better. Gotta love
    such creativity.

    So you use it as a sort of systemic purge? I've heard of
    folks eating nothing but fruit for a few days as a purge.
    Is the low carb version of that low fat tactic?

  16. Doug Freyburger said:
    Xtile said:

    I like to do the fat fast for a few days once in a while, just to get

    Quoted message said:

    the engines restarted. Makes veggies taste all that much better when

    Quoted message said:

    I'm done with it!

    Someone who's technically not qualified to do it, using
    it for a benefit: making veggies taste better. Gotta love
    such creativity.

    So you use it as a sort of systemic purge? I've heard of
    folks eating nothing but fruit for a few days as a purge.
    Is the low carb version of that low fat tactic?

    Well, you can start getting into a rut, maybe eating too much, and the
    fat fast more or less stops that trend. Kind of how a real fast will do
    it. I crave nice crispy green veggies after a few days of the FF.

  17. Bunky42-Not sure how I missed it, but I'd never heard this aspect of
    Atkins. I'd often wondered about the efficacy of fasting entirely for a
    day or 2; unpleasant as the Fat Fast sounds it would no doubt be
    preferable to nothing but water. Thanks for taking the time to explain
    it so thoroughly.

    Dan

    Bunky42 said:
    Carb Freebie said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?

    The Fat Fast, as outlined by Dr. Atkins in Dr. Atkins New Diet
    Revolution, is a tool that low carbers who are metabolically resistant
    can use to get themselves quickly into ketosis. It is also used by
    many low carbers (myself among them) to break a weight loss plateau or
    as a means of forcing themselves to get back on track when they have
    gone off-plan.

    Simply put, the Fat Fast consists of a 3 or 5-day cycle in which you
    consume just 1,000 calories a day. 90% of those calories should come
    from fat. (The Fat Fast should not be extended beyond 5 days because it
    is deficient in protein.)

    Dr. Atkins states that eating 4 or 5 mini-meals is better for our bodies
    than eating one large meal while doing the Fat Fast. During the Fat Fast
    you may consume either 4 250-calorie mini-meals or 5 200-calorie
    mini-meals. Consuming these small meals frequently throughout the day
    actually works better than complete fasting.

    Dr. Atkins mentions cream cheese and macadamia nuts as the "perfect" Fat
    Fast foods. Ten ounces of cream cheese would be an entire day's food
    allotment; divide the cream cheese into 5 2-ounce servings. You could
    also opt for 5 ounces of macadamia nuts split into 5 1-ounce servings
    and consumed throughout the day.

    That's not a lot of food. I find that when I do the Fat Fast I think
    about food constantly. I don't obsess about food because I get hungry
    (surprisingly, I do not get hungry), but simply because I can't have any
    - at least not any that I really want. The Fat Fast makes regular strict
    low carbing look absolutely luxurious.

    I'm going to be completely honest here: I hate, loathe, and detest doing
    the Fat Fast. I get very grumpy because I get frustrated. My family says
    that I don't, but that just makes me think that they don't notice the
    difference because maybe, just maybe, I'm a pretty grumpy person all the
    time. It's either that or the kids are ignoring me in the same way they
    do when I tell them to clean their rooms or do their homework. Or
    perhaps they simply value their lives and know when to keep their mouths
    shut. The survival instinct is very strong in my brood.

    (***Note: "But I was doing the Fat Fast!" is not a legitimate legal
    defense for mayhem or murder. I know this is true. I've checked.)

    OK, I know what you want to ask me: "If the Fat Fast is so incredibly
    awful, why do you do it, you stupid woman?!?" (Well, you might not say
    the "stupid woman" part because you are ever so polite, but I know
    you're thinking it.)

    Why? Because it works for me. If I am not in ketosis when I start the
    Fat Fast, I am when it's over. If I am having cravings to beat the band
    and hanging on by the skin of my teeth, when the Fat Fast is over the
    cravings are G - O - N - E and I'm perfectly happy to go back to
    munching on chicken legs and salads. If I've hit a plateau and stopped
    losing weight, my weight loss is jump started.

    I've done the Fat Fast a half a dozen times in the last three years, and
    each time I have lost between 5 and 8 pounds during the three-day cycle.
    After I go back to eating normal low carb, I gain 2 to 4 of those pounds
    back, but have always ended up with a net loss for the 3-day period of
    between 2 to 4 pounds. (Your experience may be different from mine. The
    only way to find out for sure is to try it.)

    Of course, a lot of people don't even consider doing the Fat Fast to get
    into ketosis or to break a stall because they can't stand the idea of
    subsisting on plain cream cheese and/or macadamia nuts for 3 days. I
    don't know about you, but I would be more likely to be able to cut off
    my big toe with a dull paring knife than I would be able to gag down 10
    ounces of plain cream cheese. My throat closes up at the very thought.
    And I don't particularly like macadamia nuts, either.

    Well, I don't have to choke down plain cream cheese or eat macadamia
    nuts, thank goodness. You don't, either. Dr. Atkins lists several
    alternatives in his chapter on the Fat Fast, and although caviar and
    avocados don't appeal to me, you may very well like them.

    I have also developed a list of alternative food choices for the Fat
    Fast, which I've listed below. Some of them don't quite come up to the
    "90% of the calories from fat" parameter, but they come close enough and
    have worked for me.

    Fat Fast Ideas And Recipes

    There is one further plus to the Fast Fast which I haven't mentioned.
    There is very little food preparation involved. None of the ideas or
    recipes listed below will take you more than 5 minutes to prepare.

    1. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream in a large mug of coffee (I use
    this to jump start my day and prevent abuse of those near and sometimes
    dear to me. In the summer I make it the night before and put it in the
    refrigerator, then pour it over ice. You could also pour it into
    popsicle molds and freeze it for Coffee Fat Fasticles. Yum!)

    2. 4 strips of bacon

    3. Peanut Butter Cream Cheese
    * 1 ounce cream cheese
    * 1 tablespoon sugar free peanut butter
    * 1 tablespoon heavy or whipping cream
    * 10 drops Liquid Sweet & Low (or artificial sweetener of your
    choice)
    * 1/8 teaspoon ground cinnamon
    Blend all ingredients in a small bowl.

    Serves 1. Approximately 208 calories.

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for individual
    servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    4. 2 ounces of cream cheese stuffed in one large celery stalk

    5. 1/2 pork rinds with 2 ounces of sour cream

    6. Pork Rinds With Sour Cream Dip (This is not my recipe - Judi
    (Island Girl) forwarded it to me.)
    * 1/2 ounce plain pork rinds (1/6 of 3-ounce bag)
    * 1/4 cup sour cream
    * 1 tablespoon grated parmesan cheese
    Blend parmesan into sour cream and use as dip for pork rinds

    Without Parmesan: 164 calories, 8 grams fat (79%)

    With Parmesan: 187 calories, 15 grams fat (77%)

    7. 2 tablespoons of sugar free peanut butter on an approximately 7
    1/2-inch stalk of celery.

    8. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream, whipped, sweetened with
    artificial sweetener, and flavored with vanilla or some other extract.

    9. 2 ounces of sour cream on approximately 1/2 cup sliced cucumber.

    10. Tuna or chicken salad with triple the usually amount of mayonnaise.

    I cook the bejeebers out of a whole chicken in the crockpot until
    the meat is literally falling off the bones, then shred the meat and
    save it for chicken salad or for soups. I strain the broth carefully
    (watch for small bones!) and freeze it.

    I will usually reuse the broth to cook more than one chicken,
    which results in a superb, flavorful extra-strength broth which is great
    to sip on if you're sick.

    11. 2 egg yolks mashed up with lots of mayonnaise, salt, and pepper
    (like you would for deviled eggs), but eaten plain or with a few pork
    rinds, cucumber slices, or a celery stick

    12. Peanut Butter Pudding (This is Rani Merens' recipe.)
    * 2 tablespoons of sour cream
    * 1 teaspoon sugar free peanut butter
    * Splenda (to taste)
    Combine all the ingredients. This thickens up magnificently, and
    can either be eaten "as is" or partially frozen, but don't let it get
    rock hard unless you just want to suck on it.

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for individual
    servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    13. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream in a can of diet soda (any flavor)

    14. 1/2 package sugar free Jell-O in 1/2 cup whipped heavy or whipping
    cream

    15. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream, whipped, with 1 teaspoon
    unsweetened cocoa powder and a few drops of liquid artificial sweetener
    added (to taste).

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for individual
    servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    16. Jell-O Whip (Someone named Chris sent this to me a couple of years
    ago.)
    * 1 small package sugar free Jell-O (any flavor)
    * 1/2 cup boiling water
    * 4 ice cubes
    * 8 ounces cream cheese, at room temperature and cut into cubes
    * 4 tablespoons heavy or whipping cream
    Dissolve the Jell-O completely in the boiling water, then add the
    ice cubes to cool it down and to thicken it.

    When the ice cubes are melted, pour the gelatin mixture in the
    blender and add the cutup cream cheese. Whirl it around until the
    ingredients are completely blended. Pour the mixture into a mixing bowl.

    Whip the four ounces of cream, then fold it into the cream cheese
    mixture.

    Divide the mixture into 5 equal portions, cover each with plastic
    wrap, and put them in the refrigerator to chill.

    This makes 5 servings, or all the you need for one day of the Fat
    Fast. Of course, you wouldn't have to eat all 5 servings in one day. You
    could alternate them with other food choices.

    17. Cream Cheese Jell-O Chunks (Someone sent me this idea, too, but
    I've misplaced their name).

    10 ounces cream cheese, cut into 20 equal squares (Not softened!)
    1 small packet sugar free Jell-O, any flavor

    Pour the dry gelatin powder into a small bowl or onto a salad
    plate. Set aside.

    Roll the 20 cream cheese squares into balls. Roll each ball in the
    dry gelatin mixture. Place the coated balls on a plate, cover them with
    plastic wrap, and put them in the refrigerator until you're ready to eat
    them

    Each Fat Fast serving is 4 balls.

  18. Quoted message said:

    Tom G wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    A good example of an "excuse-deduction" would be
    someone buying a lo-carb refined product with a
    label in large letters claiming "3g. NET CARBS".
    The nutrition list on the back says there are 27g
    of carbs. Every trick in the book is used to
    arrive at that small number. An unaware dieter
    is lead to believe it is ok to have that item in
    their quota. 2 or 3 of these a day would stall
    weightloss."

    I agree with that. What I had an issue with is the
    notion that somehow deducting fiber is an
    "excuse-deduction."

    There's almost never any down side to deducting
    fiber. On Induction it leads to eating more veggies
    and that's good. Once you find your CCLL your body
    doesn't care if you deduct or not so it's just a
    number anyways.

    There is one case were it matters. The fat fast does
    not even appear in the edition of the book that has
    fiber deduction. The qualification for fat fast is
    failure to get into ketosis at 20 *total* grams per
    day. If you fail to get into ketosis at 20 *net*
    grams per day that does not qualify you to do the fat
    fast. The next step would have to bde switching to
    total grams and doing 20 at that level first.

    The initial 20 total grams was a deliberate undershoot
    that guaranties the vast majority of people will get
    into ketosis. I don't have exact enough data to
    give a percentage but it's so unusual it must be well
    under one percent. I'm sure there were plenty of
    reasons to switch to net grams (competition from
    Protein Power, getting folks who abuse Induction to
    eat mroe veggies and so on) but one of them seems
    simple: Changing to net adds 5-10 to the total carb
    count and it *still* seems like far under a percent
    fail to get into 20. The level of 20 total is so much
    an undershoot that switching to 20 net made little
    difference. So 20 net is plenty enough undershoot for
    everythng but qualifying for the fat fast.

    I am very pleased to see good reasons for doing the
    fat fast. Breaking out of a rut, making veggies
    taste better, teaching portion control and calorie
    counting. All out-of-the-box compared to trying 0
    because 20 stopped working. When 20 stops working the
    book already says move on to OWL.

  19. Dan said:

    Bunky42-Not sure how I missed it, but I'd never heard this aspect of
    Atkins. I'd often wondered about the efficacy of fasting entirely for a
    day or 2; unpleasant as the Fat Fast sounds it would no doubt be
    preferable to nothing but water. Thanks for taking the time to explain
    it so thoroughly.

    Dan

    Bunky42 said:
    Carb Freebie said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?

    The Fat Fast, as outlined by Dr. Atkins in Dr. Atkins New Diet
    Revolution, is a tool that low carbers who are metabolically
    resistant can use to get themselves quickly into ketosis. It is also
    used by many low carbers (myself among them) to break a weight loss
    plateau or as a means of forcing themselves to get back on track when
    they have gone off-plan.

    Simply put, the Fat Fast consists of a 3 or 5-day cycle in which you
    consume just 1,000 calories a day. 90% of those calories should come
    from fat. (The Fat Fast should not be extended beyond 5 days because
    it is deficient in protein.)

    Dr. Atkins states that eating 4 or 5 mini-meals is better for our
    bodies than eating one large meal while doing the Fat Fast. During the
    Fat Fast you may consume either 4 250-calorie mini-meals or 5
    200-calorie mini-meals. Consuming these small meals frequently
    throughout the day actually works better than complete fasting.

    Dr. Atkins mentions cream cheese and macadamia nuts as the "perfect"
    Fat Fast foods. Ten ounces of cream cheese would be an entire day's
    food allotment; divide the cream cheese into 5 2-ounce servings. You
    could also opt for 5 ounces of macadamia nuts split into 5 1-ounce
    servings and consumed throughout the day.

    That's not a lot of food. I find that when I do the Fat Fast I think
    about food constantly. I don't obsess about food because I get hungry
    (surprisingly, I do not get hungry), but simply because I can't have
    any - at least not any that I really want. The Fat Fast makes regular
    strict low carbing look absolutely luxurious.

    I'm going to be completely honest here: I hate, loathe, and detest
    doing the Fat Fast. I get very grumpy because I get frustrated. My
    family says that I don't, but that just makes me think that they don't
    notice the difference because maybe, just maybe, I'm a pretty grumpy
    person all the time. It's either that or the kids are ignoring me in
    the same way they do when I tell them to clean their rooms or do their
    homework. Or perhaps they simply value their lives and know when to
    keep their mouths shut. The survival instinct is very strong in my brood.

    (***Note: "But I was doing the Fat Fast!" is not a legitimate legal
    defense for mayhem or murder. I know this is true. I've checked.)

    OK, I know what you want to ask me: "If the Fat Fast is so incredibly
    awful, why do you do it, you stupid woman?!?" (Well, you might not say
    the "stupid woman" part because you are ever so polite, but I know
    you're thinking it.)

    Why? Because it works for me. If I am not in ketosis when I start the
    Fat Fast, I am when it's over. If I am having cravings to beat the
    band and hanging on by the skin of my teeth, when the Fat Fast is over
    the cravings are G - O - N - E and I'm perfectly happy to go back to
    munching on chicken legs and salads. If I've hit a plateau and stopped
    losing weight, my weight loss is jump started.

    I've done the Fat Fast a half a dozen times in the last three years,
    and each time I have lost between 5 and 8 pounds during the three-day
    cycle. After I go back to eating normal low carb, I gain 2 to 4 of
    those pounds back, but have always ended up with a net loss for the
    3-day period of between 2 to 4 pounds. (Your experience may be
    different from mine. The only way to find out for sure is to try it.)

    Of course, a lot of people don't even consider doing the Fat Fast to
    get into ketosis or to break a stall because they can't stand the idea
    of subsisting on plain cream cheese and/or macadamia nuts for 3 days.
    I don't know about you, but I would be more likely to be able to cut
    off my big toe with a dull paring knife than I would be able to gag
    down 10 ounces of plain cream cheese. My throat closes up at the very
    thought. And I don't particularly like macadamia nuts, either.

    Well, I don't have to choke down plain cream cheese or eat macadamia
    nuts, thank goodness. You don't, either. Dr. Atkins lists several
    alternatives in his chapter on the Fat Fast, and although caviar and
    avocados don't appeal to me, you may very well like them.

    I have also developed a list of alternative food choices for the Fat
    Fast, which I've listed below. Some of them don't quite come up to the
    "90% of the calories from fat" parameter, but they come close enough
    and have worked for me.

    Fat Fast Ideas And Recipes

    There is one further plus to the Fast Fast which I haven't mentioned.
    There is very little food preparation involved. None of the ideas or
    recipes listed below will take you more than 5 minutes to prepare.

    1. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream in a large mug of coffee (I use
    this to jump start my day and prevent abuse of those near and
    sometimes dear to me. In the summer I make it the night before and put
    it in the refrigerator, then pour it over ice. You could also pour it
    into popsicle molds and freeze it for Coffee Fat Fasticles. Yum!)

    2. 4 strips of bacon

    3. Peanut Butter Cream Cheese
    * 1 ounce cream cheese
    * 1 tablespoon sugar free peanut butter
    * 1 tablespoon heavy or whipping cream
    * 10 drops Liquid Sweet & Low (or artificial sweetener of
    your choice)
    * 1/8 teaspoon ground cinnamon
    Blend all ingredients in a small bowl.

    Serves 1. Approximately 208 calories.

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for
    individual servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    4. 2 ounces of cream cheese stuffed in one large celery stalk

    5. 1/2 pork rinds with 2 ounces of sour cream

    6. Pork Rinds With Sour Cream Dip (This is not my recipe - Judi
    (Island Girl) forwarded it to me.)
    * 1/2 ounce plain pork rinds (1/6 of 3-ounce bag)
    * 1/4 cup sour cream
    * 1 tablespoon grated parmesan cheese
    Blend parmesan into sour cream and use as dip for pork rinds

    Without Parmesan: 164 calories, 8 grams fat (79%)

    With Parmesan: 187 calories, 15 grams fat (77%)

    7. 2 tablespoons of sugar free peanut butter on an approximately 7
    1/2-inch stalk of celery.

    8. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream, whipped, sweetened with
    artificial sweetener, and flavored with vanilla or some other extract.

    9. 2 ounces of sour cream on approximately 1/2 cup sliced cucumber.

    10. Tuna or chicken salad with triple the usually amount of mayonnaise.

    I cook the bejeebers out of a whole chicken in the crockpot
    until the meat is literally falling off the bones, then shred the meat
    and save it for chicken salad or for soups. I strain the broth
    carefully (watch for small bones!) and freeze it.

    I will usually reuse the broth to cook more than one chicken,
    which results in a superb, flavorful extra-strength broth which is
    great to sip on if you're sick.

    11. 2 egg yolks mashed up with lots of mayonnaise, salt, and pepper
    (like you would for deviled eggs), but eaten plain or with a few pork
    rinds, cucumber slices, or a celery stick

    12. Peanut Butter Pudding (This is Rani Merens' recipe.)
    * 2 tablespoons of sour cream
    * 1 teaspoon sugar free peanut butter
    * Splenda (to taste)
    Combine all the ingredients. This thickens up magnificently, and
    can either be eaten "as is" or partially frozen, but don't let it get
    rock hard unless you just want to suck on it.

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for
    individual servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    13. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream in a can of diet soda (any flavor)

    14. 1/2 package sugar free Jell-O in 1/2 cup whipped heavy or
    whipping cream

    15. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream, whipped, with 1 teaspoon
    unsweetened cocoa powder and a few drops of liquid artificial
    sweetener added (to taste).

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for
    individual servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    16. Jell-O Whip (Someone named Chris sent this to me a couple of
    years ago.)
    * 1 small package sugar free Jell-O (any flavor)
    * 1/2 cup boiling water
    * 4 ice cubes
    * 8 ounces cream cheese, at room temperature and cut into cubes
    * 4 tablespoons heavy or whipping cream
    Dissolve the Jell-O completely in the boiling water, then add
    the ice cubes to cool it down and to thicken it.

    When the ice cubes are melted, pour the gelatin mixture in the
    blender and add the cutup cream cheese. Whirl it around until the
    ingredients are completely blended. Pour the mixture into a mixing bowl.

    Whip the four ounces of cream, then fold it into the cream
    cheese mixture.

    Divide the mixture into 5 equal portions, cover each with
    plastic wrap, and put them in the refrigerator to chill.

    This makes 5 servings, or all the you need for one day of the
    Fat Fast. Of course, you wouldn't have to eat all 5 servings in one
    day. You could alternate them with other food choices.

    17. Cream Cheese Jell-O Chunks (Someone sent me this idea, too, but
    I've misplaced their name).

    10 ounces cream cheese, cut into 20 equal squares (Not
    softened!) 1 small packet sugar free Jell-O, any flavor

    Pour the dry gelatin powder into a small bowl or onto a salad
    plate. Set aside.

    Roll the 20 cream cheese squares into balls. Roll each ball in
    the dry gelatin mixture. Place the coated balls on a plate, cover them
    with plastic wrap, and put them in the refrigerator until you're ready
    to eat them

    Each Fat Fast serving is 4 balls.


    Actually Dr. Atkins did the explaining, I just the ctrl+C & ctrl+V
    thing. lol

  20. Dan said:

    Bunky42-Not sure how I missed it, but I'd never heard this aspect of
    Atkins. I'd often wondered about the efficacy of fasting entirely for a
    day or 2; unpleasant as the Fat Fast sounds it would no doubt be
    preferable to nothing but water. Thanks for taking the time to explain
    it so thoroughly.

    Dan

    Bunky42 said:
    Carb Freebie said:

    Has any one tried the fat fast?

    The Fat Fast, as outlined by Dr. Atkins in Dr. Atkins New Diet
    Revolution, is a tool that low carbers who are metabolically
    resistant can use to get themselves quickly into ketosis. It is also
    used by many low carbers (myself among them) to break a weight loss
    plateau or as a means of forcing themselves to get back on track when
    they have gone off-plan.

    Simply put, the Fat Fast consists of a 3 or 5-day cycle in which you
    consume just 1,000 calories a day. 90% of those calories should come
    from fat. (The Fat Fast should not be extended beyond 5 days because
    it is deficient in protein.)

    Dr. Atkins states that eating 4 or 5 mini-meals is better for our
    bodies than eating one large meal while doing the Fat Fast. During the
    Fat Fast you may consume either 4 250-calorie mini-meals or 5
    200-calorie mini-meals. Consuming these small meals frequently
    throughout the day actually works better than complete fasting.

    Dr. Atkins mentions cream cheese and macadamia nuts as the "perfect"
    Fat Fast foods. Ten ounces of cream cheese would be an entire day's
    food allotment; divide the cream cheese into 5 2-ounce servings. You
    could also opt for 5 ounces of macadamia nuts split into 5 1-ounce
    servings and consumed throughout the day.

    That's not a lot of food. I find that when I do the Fat Fast I think
    about food constantly. I don't obsess about food because I get hungry
    (surprisingly, I do not get hungry), but simply because I can't have
    any - at least not any that I really want. The Fat Fast makes regular
    strict low carbing look absolutely luxurious.

    I'm going to be completely honest here: I hate, loathe, and detest
    doing the Fat Fast. I get very grumpy because I get frustrated. My
    family says that I don't, but that just makes me think that they don't
    notice the difference because maybe, just maybe, I'm a pretty grumpy
    person all the time. It's either that or the kids are ignoring me in
    the same way they do when I tell them to clean their rooms or do their
    homework. Or perhaps they simply value their lives and know when to
    keep their mouths shut. The survival instinct is very strong in my brood.

    (***Note: "But I was doing the Fat Fast!" is not a legitimate legal
    defense for mayhem or murder. I know this is true. I've checked.)

    OK, I know what you want to ask me: "If the Fat Fast is so incredibly
    awful, why do you do it, you stupid woman?!?" (Well, you might not say
    the "stupid woman" part because you are ever so polite, but I know
    you're thinking it.)

    Why? Because it works for me. If I am not in ketosis when I start the
    Fat Fast, I am when it's over. If I am having cravings to beat the
    band and hanging on by the skin of my teeth, when the Fat Fast is over
    the cravings are G - O - N - E and I'm perfectly happy to go back to
    munching on chicken legs and salads. If I've hit a plateau and stopped
    losing weight, my weight loss is jump started.

    I've done the Fat Fast a half a dozen times in the last three years,
    and each time I have lost between 5 and 8 pounds during the three-day
    cycle. After I go back to eating normal low carb, I gain 2 to 4 of
    those pounds back, but have always ended up with a net loss for the
    3-day period of between 2 to 4 pounds. (Your experience may be
    different from mine. The only way to find out for sure is to try it.)

    Of course, a lot of people don't even consider doing the Fat Fast to
    get into ketosis or to break a stall because they can't stand the idea
    of subsisting on plain cream cheese and/or macadamia nuts for 3 days.
    I don't know about you, but I would be more likely to be able to cut
    off my big toe with a dull paring knife than I would be able to gag
    down 10 ounces of plain cream cheese. My throat closes up at the very
    thought. And I don't particularly like macadamia nuts, either.

    Well, I don't have to choke down plain cream cheese or eat macadamia
    nuts, thank goodness. You don't, either. Dr. Atkins lists several
    alternatives in his chapter on the Fat Fast, and although caviar and
    avocados don't appeal to me, you may very well like them.

    I have also developed a list of alternative food choices for the Fat
    Fast, which I've listed below. Some of them don't quite come up to the
    "90% of the calories from fat" parameter, but they come close enough
    and have worked for me.

    Fat Fast Ideas And Recipes

    There is one further plus to the Fast Fast which I haven't mentioned.
    There is very little food preparation involved. None of the ideas or
    recipes listed below will take you more than 5 minutes to prepare.

    1. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream in a large mug of coffee (I use
    this to jump start my day and prevent abuse of those near and
    sometimes dear to me. In the summer I make it the night before and put
    it in the refrigerator, then pour it over ice. You could also pour it
    into popsicle molds and freeze it for Coffee Fat Fasticles. Yum!)

    2. 4 strips of bacon

    3. Peanut Butter Cream Cheese
    * 1 ounce cream cheese
    * 1 tablespoon sugar free peanut butter
    * 1 tablespoon heavy or whipping cream
    * 10 drops Liquid Sweet & Low (or artificial sweetener of
    your choice)
    * 1/8 teaspoon ground cinnamon
    Blend all ingredients in a small bowl.

    Serves 1. Approximately 208 calories.

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for
    individual servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    4. 2 ounces of cream cheese stuffed in one large celery stalk

    5. 1/2 pork rinds with 2 ounces of sour cream

    6. Pork Rinds With Sour Cream Dip (This is not my recipe - Judi
    (Island Girl) forwarded it to me.)
    * 1/2 ounce plain pork rinds (1/6 of 3-ounce bag)
    * 1/4 cup sour cream
    * 1 tablespoon grated parmesan cheese
    Blend parmesan into sour cream and use as dip for pork rinds

    Without Parmesan: 164 calories, 8 grams fat (79%)

    With Parmesan: 187 calories, 15 grams fat (77%)

    7. 2 tablespoons of sugar free peanut butter on an approximately 7
    1/2-inch stalk of celery.

    8. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream, whipped, sweetened with
    artificial sweetener, and flavored with vanilla or some other extract.

    9. 2 ounces of sour cream on approximately 1/2 cup sliced cucumber.

    10. Tuna or chicken salad with triple the usually amount of mayonnaise.

    I cook the bejeebers out of a whole chicken in the crockpot
    until the meat is literally falling off the bones, then shred the meat
    and save it for chicken salad or for soups. I strain the broth
    carefully (watch for small bones!) and freeze it.

    I will usually reuse the broth to cook more than one chicken,
    which results in a superb, flavorful extra-strength broth which is
    great to sip on if you're sick.

    11. 2 egg yolks mashed up with lots of mayonnaise, salt, and pepper
    (like you would for deviled eggs), but eaten plain or with a few pork
    rinds, cucumber slices, or a celery stick

    12. Peanut Butter Pudding (This is Rani Merens' recipe.)
    * 2 tablespoons of sour cream
    * 1 teaspoon sugar free peanut butter
    * Splenda (to taste)
    Combine all the ingredients. This thickens up magnificently, and
    can either be eaten "as is" or partially frozen, but don't let it get
    rock hard unless you just want to suck on it.

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for
    individual servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    13. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream in a can of diet soda (any flavor)

    14. 1/2 package sugar free Jell-O in 1/2 cup whipped heavy or
    whipping cream

    15. 1/4 cup heavy or whipping cream, whipped, with 1 teaspoon
    unsweetened cocoa powder and a few drops of liquid artificial
    sweetener added (to taste).

    ***Note: If you life this one, make up several servings at one
    time and stick them into the refrigerator in custard cups for
    individual servings. That way you only have one cleanup.

    16. Jell-O Whip (Someone named Chris sent this to me a couple of
    years ago.)
    * 1 small package sugar free Jell-O (any flavor)
    * 1/2 cup boiling water
    * 4 ice cubes
    * 8 ounces cream cheese, at room temperature and cut into cubes
    * 4 tablespoons heavy or whipping cream
    Dissolve the Jell-O completely in the boiling water, then add
    the ice cubes to cool it down and to thicken it.

    When the ice cubes are melted, pour the gelatin mixture in the
    blender and add the cutup cream cheese. Whirl it around until the
    ingredients are completely blended. Pour the mixture into a mixing bowl.

    Whip the four ounces of cream, then fold it into the cream
    cheese mixture.

    Divide the mixture into 5 equal portions, cover each with
    plastic wrap, and put them in the refrigerator to chill.

    This makes 5 servings, or all the you need for one day of the
    Fat Fast. Of course, you wouldn't have to eat all 5 servings in one
    day. You could alternate them with other food choices.

    17. Cream Cheese Jell-O Chunks (Someone sent me this idea, too, but
    I've misplaced their name).

    10 ounces cream cheese, cut into 20 equal squares (Not
    softened!) 1 small packet sugar free Jell-O, any flavor

    Pour the dry gelatin powder into a small bowl or onto a salad
    plate. Set aside.

    Roll the 20 cream cheese squares into balls. Roll each ball in
    the dry gelatin mixture. Place the coated balls on a plate, cover them
    with plastic wrap, and put them in the refrigerator until you're ready
    to eat them

    Each Fat Fast serving is 4 balls.


    Actually Dr. Atkins did the explaining, I just did the ctrl+C & ctrl+V
    thing. lol

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