Need a refresher

Naw....that's all wrong. Go reread the friggin book!

Mogget wrote:
|| After five years, you'd think I knew what I was doing, but I've got
|| forgetful, or maybe just lazy.
||
|| What with one thing and another, I think I need to do straight
|| Induction again. Can anyone please point me to that useful page
|| with The Rules on it?
||
|| Meat, fish, oil, unlimited, right?
||
|| Eggs, shellfish, green leafy veg, count the carbs, and keep it under
|| 20, right?
||
|| No fruit, nuts, dairy (?) yes?
||
|| Drink water, take supplements, ok.
||
|| Have I forgotten anything?
||
|| Don't bother to tell me to count the carbs in coffee/tea because I
|| never touch them.
||
|| Ta,
|| --
|| Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

Mogget said:

What with one thing and another, I think I need to do straight
Induction again. Can anyone please point me to that useful page with
The Rules on it?

http://atkins.com/howto/phase1.html
http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/15-325810.html

Quoted message said:

Meat, fish, oil, unlimited, right?

Um, you only eat enough to keep from being hungry. You don't have to
limit these for other reasons, but they're certainly not "unlimited".

Quoted message said:

Eggs, shellfish, green leafy veg, count the carbs, and keep it under
20, right?

Cheese is OK, limit to 4oz/day.

Quoted message said:

No fruit, nuts, dairy (?) yes?

Heavy cream is OK, nuts may or may not be OK depending on which edition
of the book you read. Mine says OK as long as you end up with 20g
carbs.

Quoted message said:

Have I forgotten anything?

Exercise. The big three points of Atkins are diet, supplements, and
exercise. If you're not doing all three, you're not doing Atkins.

"Mogget" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

After five years, you'd think I knew what I was doing, but I've got
forgetful, or maybe just lazy.

What with one thing and another, I think I need to do straight Induction
again. Can anyone please point me to that useful page with The Rules on
it?

Here is the basic...

You will eat 20 grams of carbs per day. You will eat at least three cups of
green veggies per day. This will form the bulk of your carb intake.

You will drink at least a half gallon of water per day. You will exercise.

If you do all that, you will probably lose weight. But there is more to the
diet than losing weight. It is explained clezrly how to establish a
liferstyle that will allow you to control your weight and health forever.

So yes, read the book. You will lean a lot more that way.

Quoted message said:

Meat, fish, oil, unlimited, right?

Eggs, shellfish, green leafy veg, count the carbs, and keep it under 20,
right?

No fruit, nuts, dairy (?) yes?

Drink water, take supplements, ok.

Have I forgotten anything?

Don't bother to tell me to count the carbs in coffee/tea because I never
touch them.

Ta,
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

In message <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Naw....that's all wrong. Go reread the friggin book!

Blimey, Roger, what's wrong with asking for information? Have I
wandered into alt.[censored]-slap.low-carb by mistake?

I'm faintly annoyed at having to explain myself, but if it helps clear
things up, here goes.

I can't re-read the book because I don't have it any more. I lent it
out and never got it back. I really don't want to go and buy another
copy because I am not working, being a full-time mum, and am seriously
broke. I don't think that trying to get it from a library is a
particularly good idea, partly because of the stress (do NOT
underestimate this) of dragging a stroppy Toddler With Attitude there
and have her either scream the place down if she's not let out of her
buggy, or have her wreck the place - I am not exaggerating here - if she
is. And that's if they actually have the book in stock. If they don't,
then the waiting list could be months. I speak from experience.

If I had the book, it could also take me months to read it. I used to
read at least a book a day, but I just have no time to myself any more.
It's one of the most difficult things for me, adapting to parenthood,
that my favourite pastime of curling up with a good book and a cat in my
lap has gone out the window. I am on the go, running around after a
toddler, sixteen hours a day, without a minute to go to the bathroom,
let alone read a book. When she finally goes down at night, I have to
set to doing all the chores that needed doing during the day. I can't
remember when I last had an unbroken night's sleep, or a stretch of
sleep greater than four hours. I am *tired*, and my ability to absorb
information is much reduced. Some nights I swear I am asleep before I
get into bed. I have been reading my current book for seven weeks, and
I'm still only on page 37.

Maybe it would be good to read the book again, and I'm sure I will in
due course, but I need to know what to do *now*. Today. Not in
umpty-ump months' time. Because I feel ill. Rotten. Awful. And
experience tells me that the most constructive thing I can do for myself
is eat properly.

All right my love?
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

In message <[email hidden]>, Jim Bard
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Here is the basic...

You will eat 20 grams of carbs per day. You will eat at least three cups of
green veggies per day. This will form the bulk of your carb intake.

You will drink at least a half gallon of water per day. You will exercise.

Thank you.

Quoted message said:

If you do all that, you will probably lose weight. But there is more to the
diet than losing weight.

There would have to be, or else I wouldn't be bothering with it after
all this time. Alas I am one of those for whom the "probably" doesn't
apply.

Quoted message said:

It is explained clezrly how to establish a
liferstyle that will allow you to control your weight and health forever.

I wish. But I feel better on Atkins than on not-Atkins, so I want to
get back there asap.

Quoted message said:

So yes, read the book. You will lean a lot more that way.

I refer the honourable gentleman to the post I made a few minutes ago.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

Mogget wrote:
|| In message <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul
|| <[email hidden]> writes
||| Naw....that's all wrong. Go reread the friggin book!
||
|| Blimey, Roger, what's wrong with asking for information? Have I
|| wandered into alt.[censored]-slap.low-carb by mistake?

I was kidding you!!!!!! You know what you wrote wasn't all wrong! (IMO, it
was good enough!)

||
|| I'm faintly annoyed at having to explain myself, but if it helps
|| clear things up, here goes.
||
|| I can't re-read the book because I don't have it any more. I lent it
|| out and never got it back. I really don't want to go and buy another
|| copy because I am not working, being a full-time mum, and am
|| seriously broke. I don't think that trying to get it from a library
|| is a particularly good idea, partly because of the stress (do NOT
|| underestimate this) of dragging a stroppy Toddler With Attitude there
|| and have her either scream the place down if she's not let out of her
|| buggy, or have her wreck the place - I am not exaggerating here - if
|| she is. And that's if they actually have the book in stock. If
|| they don't, then the waiting list could be months. I speak from
|| experience.
||

If you want, I can mail you a copy. zip me an address if you're in the
states.

|| If I had the book, it could also take me months to read it. I used
|| to read at least a book a day, but I just have no time to myself any
|| more. It's one of the most difficult things for me, adapting to
|| parenthood, that my favourite pastime of curling up with a good book
|| and a cat in my lap has gone out the window. I am on the go,
|| running around after a toddler, sixteen hours a day, without a
|| minute to go to the bathroom, let alone read a book. When she
|| finally goes down at night, I have to set to doing all the chores
|| that needed doing during the day. I can't remember when I last had
|| an unbroken night's sleep, or a stretch of sleep greater than four
|| hours. I am *tired*, and my ability to absorb information is much
|| reduced. Some nights I swear I am asleep before I get into bed. I
|| have been reading my current book for seven weeks, and I'm still
|| only on page 37.
||
|| Maybe it would be good to read the book again, and I'm sure I will in
|| due course, but I need to know what to do *now*. Today. Not in
|| umpty-ump months' time. Because I feel ill. Rotten. Awful. And
|| experience tells me that the most constructive thing I can do for
|| myself is eat properly.
||
|| All right my love?

Wow....sorry you had to write all that.

|| --
|| Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

In message <[email hidden]>, DJ Delorie <[email hidden]>
writes

Quoted message said:

Mogget said:

What with one thing and another, I think I need to do straight
Induction again. Can anyone please point me to that useful page with
The Rules on it?

http://atkins.com/howto/phase1.html
http://atkins.com/Archive/2001/12/15-325810.html

Thanks.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Meat, fish, oil, unlimited, right?

Um, you only eat enough to keep from being hungry. You don't have to
limit these for other reasons, but they're certainly not "unlimited".

You know, I've never understood why this is an issue. IME, if I'm
eating meat, I can *only* eat enough to stave off hunger. Once that's
done, I really couldn't eat another forkful. Can anybody overeat meat?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Eggs, shellfish, green leafy veg, count the carbs, and keep it under
20, right?

Cheese is OK, limit to 4oz/day.

Ah ok, ta. Didn't know that. When I was on Induction first time
around, I was totally non-dairy, so didn't absorb The Rules re dairy. I
must admit, I do use some goat's milk products these days, so that's
useful to know.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

No fruit, nuts, dairy (?) yes?

Heavy cream is OK, nuts may or may not be OK depending on which edition
of the book you read. Mine says OK as long as you end up with 20g
carbs.

Quoted message said:

Have I forgotten anything?

Exercise. The big three points of Atkins are diet, supplements, and
exercise. If you're not doing all three, you're not doing Atkins.

Think I'm ok on that score, ta. Fourteen hours a day running round
after a toddler, my bumcheeks never get a chance to touch a chair. And
it's "pick me up - put me down" all day, so my upper body gets quite a
workout, LOL. The funny thing is that when she was born she was less
than 8 lbs, and she felt heavy and I couldn't stand up holding her, but
now she's nearer 30 lbs and she doesn't feel very heavy. So I think I'm
doing a kind of weight-bearing exercise, but I might end up looking like
Popeye.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

In message <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Mogget wrote:
|| In message <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul
|| <[email hidden]> writes
||| Naw....that's all wrong. Go reread the friggin book!
||
|| Blimey, Roger, what's wrong with asking for information? Have I
|| wandered into alt.[censored]-slap.low-carb by mistake?

I was kidding you!!!!!! You know what you wrote wasn't all wrong! (IMO, it
was good enough!)

Thanks :-) I did think it was basically right, and wasn't sure how I
could have got it so badly wrong.

I think my sarcasm filter wasn't working. In future, could you perhaps
hold up a red flag when you aren't being entirely serious? My people
skills aren't too great at the best of times :-)

Quoted message said:

If you want, I can mail you a copy. zip me an address if you're in the
states.

That's sweet. But I'm not in the states, but the UK. Very kind of you
to offer, though.

<Snip rant>

Quoted message said:

Wow....sorry you had to write all that.

No worries. I like the sound of my own typing.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

Hey M
I have been on Atkins 12 years, over the summer my mother was very ill
and died, with all the stress I gained 7 pounds back and was trying to
lose it but being on Maintenance for so long I forgot the rules of
induction. I bought the book and what a lot of people don't realize that
the book is very incomplete or contradicting. (Essence of seltzer is a
good example, where it says no carb but flavored seltzer has a lot of
different artificial sweeteners, confusing.....
I kept trying and trying to get it right and would write about my
approach here. Well, let me tell you. some of these people are jerks. I
have belonged to a few list in my days but this place is a zoo. I can
picture some of these people working for the suicide hotline and giving
out instructions... (Oh! you don't have the noose around your neck tight
enough!!!) or ( I think to do the job right you should put the gun on
automatic......
But hang in there. I found that there are a lot of nice people here and
some try very hard......
Warren
PS. I travel a lot in the UK, what part are you in ???

Mogget said:

In message <[email hidden]>, Roger Zoul
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

Naw....that's all wrong. Go reread the friggin book!

Blimey, Roger, what's wrong with asking for information? Have I
wandered into alt.[censored]-slap.low-carb by mistake?

I'm faintly annoyed at having to explain myself, but if it helps clear
things up, here goes.

I can't re-read the book because I don't have it any more. I lent it
out and never got it back. I really don't want to go and buy another
copy because I am not working, being a full-time mum, and am seriously
broke. I don't think that trying to get it from a library is a
particularly good idea, partly because of the stress (do NOT
underestimate this) of dragging a stroppy Toddler With Attitude there
and have her either scream the place down if she's not let out of her
buggy, or have her wreck the place - I am not exaggerating here - if she
is. And that's if they actually have the book in stock. If they don't,
then the waiting list could be months. I speak from experience.

If I had the book, it could also take me months to read it. I used to
read at least a book a day, but I just have no time to myself any more.
It's one of the most difficult things for me, adapting to parenthood,
that my favourite pastime of curling up with a good book and a cat in my
lap has gone out the window. I am on the go, running around after a
toddler, sixteen hours a day, without a minute to go to the bathroom,
let alone read a book. When she finally goes down at night, I have to
set to doing all the chores that needed doing during the day. I can't
remember when I last had an unbroken night's sleep, or a stretch of
sleep greater than four hours. I am *tired*, and my ability to absorb
information is much reduced. Some nights I swear I am asleep before I
get into bed. I have been reading my current book for seven weeks, and
I'm still only on page 37.

Maybe it would be good to read the book again, and I'm sure I will in
due course, but I need to know what to do *now*. Today. Not in
umpty-ump months' time. Because I feel ill. Rotten. Awful. And
experience tells me that the most constructive thing I can do for myself
is eat properly.

All right my love?

Mogget said:

Quoted message said:

You will drink at least a half gallon of water per day. You will exercise.

Thank you.

FYI a good trick for water is to get an empty 2 liter soda bottle (or
other bottles that add up to the right amount, like four 16oz bottles)
and drink from them during the day. At the end of the day, drink
whatever's left and refill them (if you keep them in the fridge, this
means they'll be cold for the next day 😉

Mogget said:

You know, I've never understood why this is an issue. IME, if I'm
eating meat, I can *only* eat enough to stave off hunger. Once that's
done, I really couldn't eat another forkful. Can anybody overeat meat?

Yeah, you can. Especially something like a big juicy prime rib, which
has a lot of calories relative to its filling-up-factor. Canned
chicken is NOT an overeating problem for me, but a juicy baked ham
would be.

Quoted message said:

Ah ok, ta. Didn't know that. When I was on Induction first time
around, I was totally non-dairy, so didn't absorb The Rules re dairy.
I must admit, I do use some goat's milk products these days, so that's
useful to know.

Mostly its because dairy has carbs, and you want to get most of your
carbs from veggies. Plus cheese tends to be high calorie and low
fiber, so you can eat more than is useful if you don't control it.

See http://www.delorie.com/health/ns/ for exact net carb and calorie
counts for various natural foods.

"Mogget" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

In message <[email hidden]>, DJ Delorie <[email hidden]>
writes

Quoted message said:

You know, I've never understood why this is an issue. IME, if I'm eating
meat, I can *only* eat enough to stave off hunger. Once that's done, I
really couldn't eat another forkful. Can anybody overeat meat?

I think if it were a nice slab of medium rare prime rib, I could...besides
that, no. Anyway, prime rib at my fave restaurant is a few and far between
occurance. There are days where if I have a plate of grilled chicken breast
and a cup of cooked broccoli, I'd be eating the broccoli first, then be
picking at the chicken.

--
Lisa
208/167/145-150
High weight in 2004: 228
Low-carb since June 2004

?
:
: I think if it were a nice slab of medium rare prime rib, I could...besides
: that, no. Anyway, prime rib at my fave restaurant is a few and far
between
: occurance. There are days where if I have a plate of grilled chicken
breast
: and a cup of cooked broccoli, I'd be eating the broccoli first, then be
: picking at the chicken.
:
:
: --
: Lisa

I had some sautéed spinach yesterday and sprinkled some Asiago cheese shreds
on it. Boy, was that good! You should try it on your broccoli.

Pat in TX

DJ Delorie said:

Mogget said:

Quoted message said:

You will drink at least a half gallon of water per day. You will exercise.

Thank you.

FYI a good trick for water is to get an empty 2 liter soda bottle (or
other bottles that add up to the right amount, like four 16oz bottles)
and drink from them during the day. At the end of the day, drink
whatever's left and refill them (if you keep them in the fridge, this
means they'll be cold for the next day 😉

Lots of caution on the need to clean the bottles to keep bacteria down.

Professor Henry Petroski has described most "Sports Bottles" as
excellent "Spit Suckers" which almost guarantee that your bottles become
breeding grounds for bacteria (your own).

Similar warnings have been posted on various "Your Health" spots on the
internet and in the conventional media.

Jim

Mogget said:

DJ Delorie said:

Mogget said:

Meat, fish, oil, unlimited, right?

Um, you only eat enough to keep from being hungry. You don't have to
limit these for other reasons, but they're certainly not "unlimited".

You know, I've never understood why this is an issue. IME, if I'm
eating meat, I can *only* eat enough to stave off hunger. Once that's
done, I really couldn't eat another forkful. Can anybody overeat meat?

i can.

it makes me feel icky, but i can definitely do it if it's really good
meat.

"Pat" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

I had some sautéed spinach yesterday and sprinkled some Asiago cheese
shreds
on it. Boy, was that good! You should try it on your broccoli.

Pat in TX

Now there is a cheese I haven't had in awhile. Right now I'm on a feta
kick. I had that with my broccoli yesterday, in fact. Spinach is something
I can only handle raw, but a spinach salad w/ asiago would be good...I will
have to try it on broccoli, I bet it is good.

Lisa

I know this isn't any of my business, but you can't let a toddler run your
life! Stop spoiling her or him. When you are home get an expandable gate
and put it across a doorway where there are toys for the child to play with,
and let him entertain himself for awhile. There is no need to be constantly
picking up any child. If you must, you can sit nearby and read, or do your
housework. I know whereof I speak as I had 4 children, who all turned out
extremely well!

Julia
250/185/150
Age 75

"Mogget" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

After five years, you'd think I knew what I was doing, but I've got
forgetful, or maybe just lazy.

What with one thing and another, I think I need to do straight Induction
again. Can anyone please point me to that useful page with The Rules on
it?

Meat, fish, oil, unlimited, right?

Eggs, shellfish, green leafy veg, count the carbs, and keep it under 20,
right?

No fruit, nuts, dairy (?) yes?

Drink water, take supplements, ok.

Have I forgotten anything?

Don't bother to tell me to count the carbs in coffee/tea because I never
touch them.

Ta,
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

In message <EB5nd.328185$a85.183846@fed1read04>, Julia
<[email hidden]> writes

Quoted message said:

I know this isn't any of my business, but you can't let a toddler run your
life! Stop spoiling her or him. When you are home get an expandable gate
and put it across a doorway where there are toys for the child to play with,
and let him entertain himself for awhile. There is no need to be constantly
picking up any child. If you must, you can sit nearby and read, or do your
housework. I know whereof I speak as I had 4 children, who all turned out
extremely well!

Heh. It's not usually as bad as I painted it. It's just that recently
she's been having the most awful separation anxiety and seems to want to
be glued to me most of the time - except when all of a sudden she turns
back into her normal independent self and pushes me away.

I decided early on that I wouldn't make her suffer if she had separation
anxiety, I would run with it and let her be with me if she needed to.
It makes no sense to me to force a child who is already fearful to go
without the one person she needs. And in truth I don't find it too
hard; at least I'm getting lots of cuddles at the moment. She's usually
a very independent little miss.

I'd love to sit nearby and read, but she snatches the book away from me.
Yes, I do do housework around her; I have to. There's no other way to
manage. But there's always plenty that needs doing come evening.
--
Mogget, the Churl in the Puce Greatcoat

Julia said:

I know this isn't any of my business, but you can't let a toddler run your
life! Stop spoiling her or him. When you are home get an expandable gate
and put it across a doorway where there are toys for the child to play with,
and let him entertain himself for awhile. There is no need to be constantly
picking up any child. If you must, you can sit nearby and read, or do your
housework. I know whereof I speak as I had 4 children, who all turned out
extremely well!

i think it's kind of a bad idea to tell people how to raise their kids.