Cycle path improvement

Brian Drury said:

In Brighton along the seafront.

http://www.brian.drury.dsl.pipex.com/cycle_images.htm

These are sprouting up either side of the ped/cycle intersections.

Nice one, in the dark!

Brian

Oh for crying out loud what moron thought that one up!!!

What purpose is it ment to serve?

Sniper8052

Sniper8052(L96A1) [email hidden] opined the following...

Quoted message said:

Oh for crying out loud what moron thought that one up!!!

What purpose is it ment to serve?

Duh. It clearly marks the demarkation between the otherwise completely
unmarked cycle lanes so that those cycling types know which side to
approach the junction from. Otherwise, how would you know where to ride?
Just imagine the chaos.

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(Just in case it wasn't obvious!)

Jon

Geraint Jones said:

http://rhydychen.org.uk/cider.press/oxford.bike/llun/Cutteslowe_Bridge_odd.jpg

That is truly insane. Why? I can see no other reason other than sheer spite.

Simonb said:

Geraint Jones said:

http://rhydychen.org.uk/cider.press/oxford.bike/llun/Cutteslowe_Bridge_odd.jpg

That is truly insane. Why? I can see no other reason other than sheer
spite.

Simple reason. Cyclists can go fast down slopes like that so stick a
chicane in to slow them down a bit. Pedestrians, wheelchair users and pram
users would be hampered by such barriers so leave their side of the path
clear of obstruction. What I don't get is why "the planners" don't see the
flaw in this design.

Colin

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:40:08 -0000, Brian Drury

briandotdruryatdsldotpipexdotcom said:

In Brighton along the seafront.

http://www.brian.drury.dsl.pipex.com/cycle_images.htm

These are sprouting up either side of the ped/cycle intersections.

This month's farcility...

http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/

....goes one better than that. Why not make the "post" useful!

Incidentally, does that glass look broken?

Colin

Colin Blackburn said:

Quoted message said:

Geraint Jones said:

http://rhydychen.org.uk/cider.press/oxford.bike/llun/Cutteslowe_Bridge_odd.jpg

Incidentally, Oxford has a reputation for calming cyclists by pushing them
into the paths of other road/pavement users:

http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/May2003.htm

For their own protection they have the option of swinging out into the
road.

Colin

Colin Blackburn said:

What I don't get is why "the planners"
don't see the flaw in this design.

Why should they give a [censored]?

James
--
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by treading on the toes of giants.
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James Annan said:

Colin Blackburn said:

What I don't get is why "the planners" don't see the flaw in this
design.

Why should they give a [censored]?

Are you having a bad day?

Colin

Colin Blackburn said:

James Annan said:

Colin Blackburn said:

What I don't get is why "the planners" don't see the flaw in this
design.

Why should they give a [censored]?

Are you having a bad day?

Not really, I think it is clear that "the planners" have no experience
of what they "plan" in these cases, and have no reason to care. Simple,
really. Never mind the quality, just slap on the paint. They have no
incentive to do a proper job, and probably don't even realise how
clueless they are.

James
--
If I have seen further than others, it is
by treading on the toes of giants.
http://www.ne.jp/asahi/julesandjames/home/

James Annan said:

Not really, I think it is clear that "the planners" have no experience
of what they "plan" in these cases, and have no reason to care. Simple,
really. Never mind the quality, just slap on the paint. They have no
incentive to do a proper job, and probably don't even realise how
clueless they are.

In this case it would have been very easy, and much cheaper, to just slap
on the paint. They didn't. They went to the trouble of designing and
installing barriers across half of a path. They clearly did give a [censored]
about something when they did this, regardless of their cluelessness.

Colin

"Colin Blackburn" <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:40:08 -0000, Brian Drury
<briandotdruryatdsldotpipexdotcom> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

In Brighton along the seafront.

http://www.brian.drury.dsl.pipex.com/cycle_images.htm

These are sprouting up either side of the ped/cycle intersections.

Quoted message said:

This month's farcility...

Quoted message said:

http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/

Quoted message said:

....goes one better than that. Why not make the "post" useful!

Quoted message said:

Incidentally, does that glass look broken?

Umm... I sent Peter that gem! (My boyfriend was the photographer)

As I see it, that bollard is not there to separate cyclists form
pedestrians, but to separate cyclists moving in opposing directions, in
theory...

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

James Annan said:

Colin Blackburn said:

James Annan said:

Colin Blackburn wrote:

> What I don't get is why "the planners" don't see the flaw in this
> design.

Why should they give a [censored]?

Are you having a bad day?

Not really, I think it is clear that "the planners" have no experience
of what they "plan" in these cases, and have no reason to care. Simple,
really. Never mind the quality, just slap on the paint. They have no
incentive to do a proper job, and probably don't even realise how
clueless they are.

The "planners" are usually councillors, advised by professional
officers.

The officers (IME) really do try to do their best but are hampered by
very limited experience and/or training of the needs of cyclists.

It's the councillors' job to check that these sort of [censored]-ups don't
get implemented (it all has to be approved by councillors) and to
ensure that officers have the training and resources to do their job
properly.

Fortunately, councillors who consistently do a below par job can be
shown the door at the next election. So, has anyone actually asked
their councillors why they've done this?

Not Responding said:

Fortunately, councillors who consistently do a below par job can be
shown the door at the next election. So, has anyone actually asked
their councillors why they've done this?

Last time I e-mailed my local councillors about a new farcility that I
considered dangerous, I had to chase them for a reply. I eventually got
a reply from one of the three, effectively saying that he wasn't interested.

This is such a safe Labour ward that my voting against him at the next
election really won't make any difference. Doesn't stop me doing so, of
course.

--
Danny Colyer (the UK company has been laughed out of my reply address)
<URL:http://www.speedy5.freeserve.co.uk/danny/>
"He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 20:56:44 GMT, "Sniper8052(L96A1)" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Brian Drury said:

In Brighton along the seafront.

http://www.brian.drury.dsl.pipex.com/cycle_images.htm

These are sprouting up either side of the ped/cycle intersections.

Nice one, in the dark!

Brian

Oh for crying out loud what moron thought that one up!!!

What purpose is it ment to serve?

You're sounding like those petrol-heads on uk.transport railing against anything
that interferes with their God-given right to drive as fast as humanly possible.
With such long straightaways I'm sure that cycles can reach very high speeds,
and *something* probably needed to be done to slow them down for the
pedestrians. I'd prefer to see rumble strips or some other surface treatment to
warn cyclists of the lethal obstacle in their path, but the lethal obstacle
itself is probably as valid as chicanes or other lethal traffic calming measures
that motorists have to contend with.

Helen Deborah Vecht said:

"Colin Blackburn" <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

This month's farcility...

http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

....goes one better than that. Why not make the "post" useful!

Quoted message said:

Incidentally, does that glass look broken?

Umm... I sent Peter that gem! (My boyfriend was the photographer)

As I see it, that bollard is not there to separate cyclists form
pedestrians, but to separate cyclists moving in opposing directions, in
theory...

Remind me not to cycle in Edgeware...
--
Chris

Monkey Hanger <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

Helen Deborah Vecht wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Colin Blackburn" <[email hidden]>typed

Quoted message said:

This month's farcility...

http://www.17beechroad.freeserve.co.uk/WarringtonCycleCampaign/facility-of-the-month/

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

....goes one better than that. Why not make the "post" useful!

Quoted message said:

Incidentally, does that glass look broken?

Umm... I sent Peter that gem! (My boyfriend was the photographer)

As I see it, that bollard is not there to separate cyclists form
pedestrians, but to separate cyclists moving in opposing directions, in
theory...

Quoted message said:

Remind me not to cycle in Edgeware...

Phonebox is in North Harrow.

It might have moved since the photo was taken last July.

--
Helen D. Vecht: [email hidden]
Edgware.

Danny Colyer said:

Not Responding said:

Fortunately, councillors who consistently do a below par job can be
shown the door at the next election. So, has anyone actually asked
their councillors why they've done this?

Last time I e-mailed my local councillors about a new farcility that I
considered dangerous, I had to chase them for a reply. I eventually got
a reply from one of the three, effectively saying that he wasn't interested.

This is such a safe Labour ward that my voting against him at the next
election really won't make any difference. Doesn't stop me doing so, of
course.

An alternative plan. If Labour isn't outside your personal spectrum of
political acceptability, join the party. Then *you* get to select the
candidates. Join with a small number of like minded colleagues and you
*control* the party.

IME, most political branches (ie ward level party associations) have a
membership of low hundreds (often less than 100) and a core active
membership of 10-20. A small amount of new blood can make a huge
difference at this local level.

I'm not advocating single-issue driven usurping of the political
structures. But I do think it important that people engage with the
processes and bodies that comprise our democracy rather than rail
against them.

On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 20:40:08 -0000 someone who may be "Brian Drury"
<briandotdruryatdsldotpipexdotcom> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

http://www.brian.drury.dsl.pipex.com/cycle_images.htm

There seems to be a perfectly good road on the right, which avoids
all that nonsense.

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Quoted message said:

In Brighton along the seafront.

http://www.brian.drury.dsl.pipex.com/cycle_images.htm

These are sprouting up either side of the ped/cycle intersections.

Nice one, in the dark!

You are not alone in having idiot planners/engineers.

Newport News, VA, USA

On an 'upgraded' pavement/sidewalk, now designated as a 'Bike Lane'.
http://1rw.freewebspace.com/cgi-bin/i/sidewalk/images/elecbox.jpg

Pete