Cycle paths or psyclepaths?

Tom Crispin writtificated

Quoted message said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

Can't say just from that picture, but the cycle lane is too narrow.

Tom Crispin said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

Note - banning motor vehicles, though a favoured option of mine, is
not a valid option.

For that bit an off road cyclepath (b?) would be pleasanter BUT the
devilish details are in the treatment of junctions. At least the cycle
lane should be 1 wider and 2 mandatory.

--
CTC Right to Ride Rep. for Richmond upon Thames

Quoted message said:

Tom Crispin writtificated

Quoted message said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

e. with motor vehicles banned......

"Mark T"
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Quoted message said:

Tom Crispin writtificated

Quoted message said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

Can't say just from that picture, but the cycle lane is too narrow.

I've seen narrower

Tom Crispin said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

(b) - the dashed line is asking for trouble, although it's nice and
wide for a psyclepath.

Mark T said:

Tom Crispin writtificated

Quoted message said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

Can't say just from that picture, but the cycle lane is too narrow.

We have some a mere 12" wide here in Swindon.

Mark T said:

Quoted message said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Can't say just from that picture, but the cycle lane is too narrow.

I agree that the cycle lane should be wider, but it's probably not too
bad for going uphill (downhill it would be worse than useless, on the
flat it would only be useful in rush hour).

Of the options suggested by Tom I'd opt for leaving it as it is, but I'd
rather see a wider cycle lane.

--
Danny Colyer <http://www.redpedals.co.uk>
Reply address is valid, but that on my website is checked more often
"The plural of anecdote is not data" - Frank Kotsonis

On 08/04/2008 21:18, Mark T said,

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Can't say just from that picture, but the cycle lane is too narrow.

I wish some of the ones here were that wide!

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

Tom Crispin said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

Note - banning motor vehicles, though a favoured option of mine, is
not a valid option.

Where exactly is it? How wide is the road? What day is it? What time
of day is it?

--
Matt B

Tom Crispin said:

Would this road be better for cyclists:
a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

While the traffic is like that, it's fine as it is, with the cycle
lane fulfilling its only useful function of providing a clearer (but
maybe not safer) route past the queue. But you have to teach your
trainees when to resist the temptation it offers.

In light traffic, I doubt it makes any difference, as long as there's
4.5m from kerb to centre line.

Does it fill up with parked cars at quiet times?

Colin McKenzie

--
No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at
the population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as
walking.
Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.

"Mark T"
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Can't say just from that picture, but the cycle lane is too narrow.

Compared to cycle lanes around here, that's wide.

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Quoted message said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

Note - banning motor vehicles, though a favoured option of mine, is
not a valid option.

It depends on what happens to the cycle lane when the road meets a junction.

Tom Crispin said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

Note - banning motor vehicles, though a favoured option of mine, is
not a valid option.

If I was on my own a. If I was with my daughter I guess I'd choose a
different road.

--
Andy Morris

AndyAtjinkasDotfreeserve.co.uk

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On 8 Apr, 22:08, Danny Colyer <[email hidden]> wrote:

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including my own]

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Quoted message said:

Can't say just from that picture, but the cycle lane is too narrow.

I agree that the cycle lane should be wider, but it's probably not too
bad for going uphill (downhill it would be worse than useless, on the
flat it would only be useful in rush hour).

Of the options suggested by Tom I'd opt for leaving it as it is, but I'd
rather see a wider cycle lane.

An extra foot of width would certainly help - but I don't find it too
bad as a cycle lane.

The photo may be a little deceptive, (my camera was on maximum zoom
(150mm)), the 'hill' is slight.

Matt B said:

Tom Crispin said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Quoted message said:

Would this road be better for cyclists:

Quoted message said:

a.  without a cycle lane
b.  with a segregated cycle lane
c.  with cycles banned
d.  left as it is
e.  other - please state

Quoted message said:

Note - banning motor vehicles, though a favoured option of mine, is
not a valid option.

Where exactly is it?  How wide is the road?  What day is it?  What time
of day is it?

The A2 Shooters Hill Road across Blackheath. The red lorry in the
distance (1500m away) is at the Sun-in-Sands roundabout. I was taking
the photograph at the toucan crossing opposite the Blackheath Gate of
Greenwich Park. At a guess, I would say the road is 10m wide. The
day is Tuesday, the time is 10.52am.

If you tune into BBC1 on Sunday morning you will see the same road
packed with runners waiting to start the London Marathon.

There's a nice map here: [1.8Mb download]
www.london-marathon.co.uk/site/images/pdfs/start_map.pdf

The photo was taken from the A at the top left corner of the Blue
Assembly Area.

Colin McKenzie said:

Tom Crispin said:

Would this road be better for cyclists:
a.  without a cycle lane
b.  with a segregated cycle lane
c.  with cycles banned
d.  left as it is
e.  other - please state

While the traffic is like that, it's fine as it is, with the cycle
lane fulfilling its only useful function of providing a clearer (but
maybe not safer) route past the queue. But you have to teach your
trainees when to resist the temptation it offers.

In light traffic, I doubt it makes any difference, as long as there's
4.5m from kerb to centre line.

Does it fill up with parked cars at quiet times?

Never.

Tom Crispin said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

Can't say if a segregated lane would be better, as one can't see from
the single image what issues there would be regarding loss of right of
way at junctions.

Nothing to gain by banning bikes as you wouldn't fit in another lane of
cars.

The existing lane seems to give a clearish track, which you may not get
without one.

Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Tom Crispin said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane

Would this road be better for cyclists:

a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state

Note - banning motor vehicles, though a favoured option of mine, is
not a valid option.

I don't know the area so this may not be a usable alternative, but a
quick look at the map reveals a parallel minor road (Rochester Way)
about 1km to the South.

So I'd probably remove the cycle lane completely from the main road, and
put a Bicycle Boulevard in on Rochester Way.

But as I say - I've never been there - it could well be one way, or a
door zone nightmare...

Chris

Tom C said:

Matt B said:

Tom Crispin said:

www.johnballcycling.org.uk/photos/cyclane
Would this road be better for cyclists:
a. without a cycle lane
b. with a segregated cycle lane
c. with cycles banned
d. left as it is
e. other - please state
Note - banning motor vehicles, though a favoured option of mine, is
not a valid option.

Where exactly is it? How wide is the road? What day is it? What time
of day is it?

The A2 Shooters Hill Road across Blackheath.

Thanks. The A2, so some of the motor traffic will be /through/ traffic,
on a mission, rather than /local/ tootling traffic. The best option
then is to segregate the "through" motor traffic, to let it travel
efficiently, and to free the current road for local, less stressed,
traffic, and make travelling more pleasant for all.

Ah, there is one flaw with that idea though, it is no longer politically
correct to build the motorways that we need to free our local roads from
heavy "through" traffic, to reduce congestion, to reduce pollution, to
reduce road casualties, and to increase journey reliability. So it
looks as though the best option is "d", sorry.

--
Matt B