Wind chill

"Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1MeKd.615$y51.331@trndny07...

Quoted message said:

http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/wind-chill.html
New wind chill formula
F: T(wc) = 35.74 + 0.6215t - 35.75(v^0.16) + 0.4275t(v^0.16)
C: T(wc) = 0.045(5.27V**0.5 + 10.45 - 0.28V)(T - 33) + 33
old wind chill
F: T(wc) = 0.0817(3.71V**0.5 + 5.81 -0.25V)(T-91.4) + 91.4

Will I have to memorize these for the final test?

What races do you have scheduled for the year???

-Doug

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from qtrader2@(remove)
hotmail.com of 27 Jan 2005:

Quoted message said:

F: T(wc) = 35.74 + 0.6215t - 35.75(v^0.16) + 0.4275t(v^0.16)
C: T(wc) = 0.045(5.27V**0.5 + 10.45 - 0.28V)(T - 33) + 33
old wind chill
F: T(wc) = 0.0817(3.71V**0.5 + 5.81 -0.25V)(T-91.4) + 91.4

Thanks for posting that. Time to update the spreadsheet formula.

Phil M.

Quoted message said:

http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/wind-chill.html
New wind chill formula
F: T(wc) = 35.74 + 0.6215t - 35.75(v^0.16) + 0.4275t(v^0.16)
C: T(wc) = 0.045(5.27V**0.5 + 10.45 - 0.28V)(T - 33) + 33
old wind chill
F: T(wc) = 0.0817(3.71V**0.5 + 5.81 -0.25V)(T-91.4) + 91.4

You mean there is somebody here that did not already have
that committed to memory?

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from [email hidden] of 27
Jan 2005:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/wind-chill.html
New wind chill formula
F: T(wc) = 35.74 + 0.6215t - 35.75(v^0.16) + 0.4275t(v^0.16)
C: T(wc) = 0.045(5.27V**0.5 + 10.45 - 0.28V)(T - 33) + 33
old wind chill
F: T(wc) = 0.0817(3.71V**0.5 + 5.81 -0.25V)(T-91.4) + 91.4

You mean there is somebody here that did not already have
that committed to memory?

I did, but it was the old formula. You know, this one:

Heat index(HI), or apparent temperature(AI)= -42.379 + 2.04901523(Tf) +
10.14333127(RH) - 0.22475541(Tf)(RH) - 6.83783x10**(-3)*(Tf**(2)) -
5.481717x10**(-2)*(RH**(2)) + 1.22874x10**(-3)*(Tf**(2))*(RH) + 8.5282x10**
(-4)*(Tf)*(RH**(2)) - 1.99x10**(-6)*(Tf**(2))*(RH**(2))

Phil M.

Doug Freese said:

"Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1MeKd.615$y51.331@trndny07...

Quoted message said:

http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/wind-chill.html
New wind chill formula
F: T(wc) = 35.74 + 0.6215t - 35.75(v^0.16) + 0.4275t(v^0.16)
C: T(wc) = 0.045(5.27V**0.5 + 10.45 - 0.28V)(T - 33) + 33
old wind chill
F: T(wc) = 0.0817(3.71V**0.5 + 5.81 -0.25V)(T-91.4) + 91.4

Will I have to memorize these for the final test?

Naw. Just go to

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/vortex/newwindchill.htm

Your tax dollars at work...

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What races do you have scheduled for the year???

-Doug

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Wind chill is a SKIN heat loss effect, so for runners planning to run

in
shorts, and for facial covering in extreme conditions it comes into
play.
____

Wrong. The assumption you're making is that the "covering" or gear
runners wear perfectly negates wind in shielding skin from wind.
You're also assuming all gear is equal in it's ability to negate the
effects of wind. Mitts-Gloves, headgear, Jackets, Tights, socks, and
even shoes _matter_. They can wildly vary in their ability to negate
the effects of wind on skin.

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Otherwise, when wearing a shell, gloves and a hat, it's effect is

usually
minor and largely irrelevant.

Total and complete BS and spoken like someone who does not know what
he's talking about. Where do you live Tony? Seriously...what kind
of windchill do you personally deal wth day in, day out? I would
really like to know that. Can you translate your "text book" dialog &
posting to some real world experience for us?

I got up and ran this morning and it was 9F, with the windchill it was
-3F. I did another light run just tonight, same frigging thing, 13F
and due to higher winds, it was still -2F W/C. The W/C kicked my ass.
These were 4 mile weenie runs. What was your run like today Tony?

What humors me about your posting Tony when dispensing advise and
wisdom as you seem to be doing.....and with what you're saying....how
do you omit advising moistening the face with vasoline and the lips
with petroleum jelly vasoline prior to heading out into that extreme
cold wind chill run? Oh...I forgot....your worldly knowledge states
the W/C is "minor and largely irrelevant". Folks...-3F W/C hitting
your face is such a [censored]...I wear running glasses simply to shield
and protect my friggen eyeballs and allow them to remain open and not
have to squint while runnng (I have glasses with changeable lenses for
day/night/twight, etc.).

Your text book content is cute, but you it does not cover all the
bases. Ya wanna see a totally F'ed up pix?...and some runners in a
race last week in 8F?

http://www.nyrrc.org/race/2005/photosa50122.html

I'm the F'ed up looking black guy doing a Ray Charels impression. Yes,
those are not only gore-tex mitts but insultated gore-tex mitts!
That's how much of a weather weenie I am (as Doug never fails to remind
me).

Please Tony...I just gotta know after your posting...share with us some
of your real world experience in extreme W/C running? Don't tell me
you too raced in Ontario, Canada last Saturday in -23F? Good
grief...it's an epidemic!

LMAO -- lance that definition isn't MINE its from the damn NWS website -
wind chill is SKIN heat loss.

[email hidden] wrote in message
<[email hidden]>...

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Quoted message said:

Wind chill is a SKIN heat loss effect, so for runners planning to run

in
shorts, and for facial covering in extreme conditions it comes into
play.
____

Wrong. The assumption you're making is that the "covering" or gear
runners wear perfectly negates wind in shielding skin from wind.
You're also assuming all gear is equal in it's ability to negate the
effects of wind. Mitts-Gloves, headgear, Jackets, Tights, socks, and
even shoes _matter_. They can wildly vary in their ability to negate
the effects of wind on skin.

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Otherwise, when wearing a shell, gloves and a hat, it's effect is

usually
minor and largely irrelevant.

Total and complete BS and spoken like someone who does not know what
he's talking about. Where do you live Tony? Seriously...what kind
of windchill do you personally deal wth day in, day out? I would
really like to know that. Can you translate your "text book" dialog &
posting to some real world experience for us?

Rockland county New York, just a bit colder than NYC, but I've lived in
Maine and upstate NY, and have skied in northern vermont in nasty
conditions.

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I got up and ran this morning and it was 9F, with the windchill it was
-3F. I did another light run just tonight, same frigging thing, 13F
and due to higher winds, it was still -2F W/C. The W/C kicked my ass.
These were 4 mile weenie runs. What was your run like today Tony?

Actually, just about to go out right now 9pm about 7f, wind 15mph...

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What humors me about your posting Tony when dispensing advise and
wisdom as you seem to be doing.....and with what you're saying....how
do you omit advising moistening the face with vasoline and the lips
with petroleum jelly vasoline prior to heading out into that extreme
cold wind chill run? Oh...I forgot....your worldly knowledge states
the W/C is "minor and largely irrelevant". Folks...-3F W/C hitting
your face is such a [censored]...I wear running glasses simply to shield
and protect my friggen eyeballs and allow them to remain open and not
have to squint while runnng (I have glasses with changeable lenses for
day/night/twight, etc.).

Yea of course you gotta put stuff on yur face or wear a mask when it's
windy - cover the skin - but if most of you is covered, wind chill is
largely negated.

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Your text book content is cute, but you it does not cover all the
bases. Ya wanna see a totally F'ed up pix?...and some runners in a
race last week in 8F?

http://www.nyrrc.org/race/2005/photosa50122.html

I'm the F'ed up looking black guy doing a Ray Charels impression. Yes,
those are not only gore-tex mitts but insultated gore-tex mitts!
That's how much of a weather weenie I am (as Doug never fails to remind
me).

Please Tony...I just gotta know after your posting...share with us some
of your real world experience in extreme W/C running? Don't tell me
you too raced in Ontario, Canada last Saturday in -23F? Good
grief...it's an epidemic!

This year nothing that bad, Sunday's run was 10f with wind of 30mph for a WC
of about -10, and yea I felt it on my face - but my point is you don't need
a lot of extra layering, just skin coverage and most WC is largely negated.

-Tony

Tom Phillips wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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Doug Freese said:

"Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1MeKd.615$y51.331@trndny07...

Quoted message said:

http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/wind-chill.html
New wind chill formula
F: T(wc) = 35.74 + 0.6215t - 35.75(v^0.16) + 0.4275t(v^0.16)
C: T(wc) = 0.045(5.27V**0.5 + 10.45 - 0.28V)(T - 33) + 33
old wind chill
F: T(wc) = 0.0817(3.71V**0.5 + 5.81 -0.25V)(T-91.4) + 91.4

Will I have to memorize these for the final test?

Naw. Just go to

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/vortex/newwindchill.htm

Better link, thanks

-T

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Your tax dollars at work...

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What races do you have scheduled for the year???

-Doug

My apologies. I'll have my crow medium-well thank you. For a minute
there Tony thought you were one of these southern weenies like Phil,
etc.....speaking out of school. (hey Phil, no offense)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wind chill is a SKIN heat loss effect, so for runners planning to run

in
shorts, and for facial covering in extreme conditions it comes into
play.
____

Wrong. The assumption you're making is that the "covering" or gear
runners wear perfectly negates wind in shielding skin from wind.
You're also assuming all gear is equal in it's ability to negate the
effects of wind. Mitts-Gloves, headgear, Jackets, Tights, socks, and
even shoes _matter_. They can wildly vary in their ability to negate
the effects of wind on skin.

Well this is true. But an _effective_ wind shell
will do this and in fact any clothing will lessen
wind chill. Even fleece, which is about the crappiest
wind barrier I know...

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Otherwise, when wearing a shell, gloves and a hat, it's effect is

usually
minor and largely irrelevant.

Total and complete BS and spoken like someone who does not know what
he's talking about.

It's irrelvant on it's direct effects on the skin
(i.e., skin temperature.) Other wind factors remain.

Just ask anyone who's climbed Everest...

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Where do you live Tony? Seriously...what kind
of windchill do you personally deal wth day in, day out? I would
really like to know that. Can you translate your "text book" dialog &
posting to some real world experience for us?

I got up and ran this morning and it was 9F, with the windchill it was
-3F. I did another light run just tonight, same frigging thing, 13F
and due to higher winds, it was still -2F W/C. The W/C kicked my ass.
These were 4 mile weenie runs. What was your run like today Tony?

What humors me about your posting Tony when dispensing advise

Adviss? Don;t think so. Opinion maybe..

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and
wisdom as you seem to be doing.....and with what you're saying....how
do you omit advising moistening the face with vasoline and the lips
with petroleum jelly vasoline prior to heading out into that extreme
cold wind chill run? Oh...I forgot....your worldly knowledge states
the W/C is "minor and largely irrelevant". Folks...-3F W/C hitting
your face is such a [censored]...

Yeah? so wear a face mask.

snip..

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Please Tony...I just gotta know after your posting...share with us some
of your real world experience in extreme W/C running?

lc, you wouldn't know real cold is it
frostbit you in the butt ;-)

Tony said:

Tom Phillips wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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Doug Freese said:

"Tony" <qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1MeKd.615$y51.331@trndny07...
>
> http://www.mountwashington.org/weather/wind-chill.html
> New wind chill formula
> F: T(wc) = 35.74 + 0.6215t - 35.75(v^0.16) + 0.4275t(v^0.16)
> C: T(wc) = 0.045(5.27V**0.5 + 10.45 - 0.28V)(T - 33) + 33
> old wind chill
> F: T(wc) = 0.0817(3.71V**0.5 + 5.81 -0.25V)(T-91.4) + 91.4

Will I have to memorize these for the final test?

Naw. Just go to

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/vortex/newwindchill.htm

Better link, thanks

-T

Pretty much the same info. But treatment for frostbite
is in opposition to my medical reference however.
_Immediate_ thawing is recommended for saving as
much tissue as possible, not "SLOWLY re-warmed."

This might entail warming supoerficial frostbite
againts warmer skin or immersion in 110F water
if deep frostbite.

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Your tax dollars at work...

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What races do you have scheduled for the year???

-Doug

Speaking of largely irrelevant...

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http://www.nyrrc.org/race/2005/photosa50122.html

I assume the lady in the top left photo later died of exposure.

Surf

Tom Phillips wrote in message <[email hidden]>...

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Naw. Just go to

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/lsx/vortex/newwindchill.htm

Better link, thanks

-T

Pretty much the same info. But treatment for frostbite
is in opposition to my medical reference however.
_Immediate_ thawing is recommended for saving as
much tissue as possible, not "SLOWLY re-warmed."

This might entail warming supoerficial frostbite
againts warmer skin or immersion in 110F water
if deep frostbite.

Interesting, I'll remember that. Maybe a microwave on defrost would do the
trick 🙂

-T

Doug Freese wrote in message
<[email hidden]>...

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......
What races do you have scheduled for the year???

Right now I'm shooting for the escarpment and the Vermont 50 miler. If I've
lost the holiday weight by March, I might do the Hat run.

-T

[email hidden] wrote in message
<[email hidden]>...

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My apologies. I'll have my crow medium-well thank you. For a minute
there Tony thought you were one of these southern weenies like Phil,
etc.....speaking out of school. (hey Phil, no offense)

Actually sounds like Phil kicked butt doing a 14 mile trail run in 20's f
with 15-20mph winds last Sunday. To me runs longer than an hour in the cold
are much harder.

-T

Tom Phillips said:

Pretty much the same info. But treatment for frostbite
is in opposition to my medical reference however.
_Immediate_ thawing is recommended for saving as
much tissue as possible, not "SLOWLY re-warmed."

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This might entail warming supoerficial frostbite
againts warmer skin or immersion in 110F water
if deep frostbite.

Well, thawing *is* a slow (15-30min) method even when done immediately
and shouldn´t be rushed by applying any more heat or hotter water than
that.

But it´s true the above advice is badly formulated and can be
misinterpreted.

Anders

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http://www.nyrrc.org/race/2005/photosa50122.html
I'm the F'ed up looking black guy doing a Ray Charels impression.

With considerable success, it must be said:-)

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Yes, those are not only gore-tex mitts but insultated gore-tex mitts!

They´re not only overkill, but making your hands the best-protected
part of your body is probably quite counterproductive: it could well be
you´re making yourself more uncomfortable and it is certain you´re
losing the best method to fine-adjust your body temperature.

Besides, it is your hands that are the fastest to adapt to the cold.
With the amount of exposure you´d get during your runs, your hand
temperature would increase at a rate of 1°C per week which is more
than enough to make a big difference in how comfortable you´d be. (And
you won´t need to run bare-fisted to achieve this...)

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That's how much of a weather weenie I am (as Doug never fails to

remind

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me).

"In the destructive element, immerse yourself.":-)

Anders

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"The wind chill temperature is the temperature that it feels like outside to
people and animals. Wind chill is based on the rate of heat loss from
exposed skin caused by combined effects of wind and cold".

Wow! This guys nearly as smart as "Rick the idiot".