Why aren't bikes allowed on freeways.???

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In article <[email protected]>,
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:13:03 GMT, "Sorni"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> >laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:55:59 GMT, "Sorni" wrote:
>
snip
> >
> >Now, driving off a bridge with your pregnant mistress, saving your own
> >drunken ass and political career while leaving her to drown and then waiting
> >many hours to even /report/ the crime -- as opposed to confess it -- now
> >THAT should be "VH" as you call it.
> >
>
> Teddy went off a single lane bridge with no guard rail at night. The
> real killer was the idiot who built the bridge. Next question.

The bridge only has a guard rail durring the day????

Teddy has driven across Chappaquidic Bridge a zillion times mostly
drunker than a skunk.

Edmond Dennise, the DA of Martha's Vineyard, was bought off by Ole Aunty
Rose for about 3million. He bought a Holliday Inn over on the mainland.

HAND
 
I live and ride in California and have noted that long stretches of
US101 are used by bicycles. Same thing in Oregon. Also US395 through
the Eastern Sierra -- including where it is four lanes with highway
separation; indeed, 395 is a bicyclists favorite, and if memory is
correct several sponsored long rides use it. I've personally ridden
395 near Bishop and Lee Vining without incident.

In more urban settings -- like here in LA LA Land and Orange County --
I wouldn't dream of going on the freeways with my bicycle.

Dave
Alternate e-mail <dc1999 [at] earthlink [dot] net>
See my website http://home.earthlink.net/~dc1999/
and www.clarklawfirm.com

peter wrote:
> Arif Khokar wrote:
> > laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> > > It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
> > > berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
> > > into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
> > > encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.
> >
> > The problem stems from tractor-trailers and the excessive air
> > turbulence in their wake. Having one pass you at a 50 mph differential
> > would likely cause one to fall.
>
> Many western states allow bicycles on freeway shoulders in areas where
> there are no good alternate routes. I've ridden on I-680, I-580, and
> freeway sections of US101 in California where bicycles are allowed on
> freeways except when the on-ramp sign explicitly prohibits them.
> Here's a picture showing a sign that omits the mention of bicycles at
> the on-ramp on a bike-legal section of Hwy. 101 freeway:
> http://community.webshots.com/photo/549966386/2425880810047976201wvlkfY
>
> Passing truck traffic did not cause any problems even with the added
> wind-catching panniers we used for carrying our touring gear - in fact
> the artificial wind from their passing was a nice little boost.
> Bicycles are prohibited from more urban sections of California freeways
> where alternate routes exist and where crowded on- and off-ramps would
> create more hazards.
 
>> My point, which you didn't respond to, is that it WOULD be a problem, if
>> it
>> was more common.
>
> Well, if you want to confine the discussion to imaginary hazards, I
> guess we can do that!
>
> In a sense, it's a good sign when people start worrying about very
> unlikely events. It means that real life is actually very safe.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>

Well this whole discussion started because someone was advocating
more-frequent use of freeways by bicycles. If that actually happened, I
assure you that the hazards would not be just imaginary. -Dave
 
>> Imagine if traffic density of bicycles increased to say, 10 per mile, on
>> the
>> average freeway. I'm sure that the numbers would then show why allowing
>> bicycles on freeways is a really TERRIBLE idea. -Dave
>
> When I've seen dozens per mile on I-5 and I-90 it hasn't been a problem.
> Both Interstates are included in some large group ride routes, have been
> for years, without unusual difficulties.
>
> It's simply safe.
>

Keep telling yourself that, Josh. The fact is, roads aren't safe for
motorcycles, and motorcycles are LICENSED to be on the roads.
(mostly) -Dave
 
Mike T. wrote:
> >> Imagine if traffic density of bicycles increased to say, 10 per mile, on
> >> the
> >> average freeway. I'm sure that the numbers would then show why allowing
> >> bicycles on freeways is a really TERRIBLE idea. -Dave
> >
> > When I've seen dozens per mile on I-5 and I-90 it hasn't been a problem.
> > Both Interstates are included in some large group ride routes, have been
> > for years, without unusual difficulties.
> >
> > It's simply safe.
> >
>
> Keep telling yourself that, Josh. The fact is, roads aren't safe for
> motorcycles, and motorcycles are LICENSED to be on the roads.
> (mostly) -Dave

Come to think of it, roads are not safe for cars...another fine reason
to EARN a license.
 
Mike T. wrote:
> >> My point, which you didn't respond to, is that it WOULD be a problem, if
> >> it
> >> was more common.
> >
> > Well, if you want to confine the discussion to imaginary hazards, I
> > guess we can do that!
> >
> > In a sense, it's a good sign when people start worrying about very
> > unlikely events. It means that real life is actually very safe.
> >
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
>
> Well this whole discussion started because someone was advocating
> more-frequent use of freeways by bicycles. If that actually happened, I
> assure you that the hazards would not be just imaginary. -Dave

OK. And I assure you it wouldn't pose a significant problem.

Unless one of us posts actual data, I guess that makes this a tie!
;-)

Now, I have actually seen data to prove my point. I believe I can find
it and post it. But I'm willing to let you go first.

- Frank Krygowski
 
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:11:39 -0400, necromancer
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On June 20th, a brown greasy cloud erupteed from the shorts of laura
>bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE. Turning to face the crowd in
>rec.autos.driving with a kinky grin on its face, this unsavory
>individual then said this:
>
>> Listen to the stupid little sheep who believes everything the
>> "experts" say. Well - i don't know cause i know they're corrupt and
>> say whatever they're paid to say. You can buy an engineer with a
>> steak dinner. THINK
>
>Yeah, just like the cops in Chappaquiddick were bought off to cover up
>Ted Kennedy's commission of Premeditated Murder.

Could be but the case against laura bush is much stronger. With her
we have witnesses and yet no charges were filed. No question the law
was bought off in that crime. THINK
 
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 05:44:18 GMT, "Sorni"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:13:03 GMT, "Sorni"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:55:59 GMT, "Sorni" wrote:
>>>> And BTW my name is the
>>>> truth. Laura Bush is guilty of VH.
>>>
>>> You've never missed a stop sign or a red light? Ever come close?
>>> Lucky? Unlucky???
>>
>> That's no answer. If you or i ran a stop sign and killed an innocent
>> person, we'd be prosecuted.
>
>Yeah, she sure had a lot of political pull at age 17.
>

I didn't say that. But she was from a wealthy family and rich people
routinely buy their way out of horrible crimes. Happens every day.
 
>> Well this whole discussion started because someone was advocating
>> more-frequent use of freeways by bicycles. If that actually happened, I
>> assure you that the hazards would not be just imaginary. -Dave
>
> OK. And I assure you it wouldn't pose a significant problem.
>
> Unless one of us posts actual data, I guess that makes this a tie!
> ;-)
>
> Now, I have actually seen data to prove my point. I believe I can find
> it and post it. But I'm willing to let you go first.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>

The data you're asking me to post doesn't exist yet, and likely never will.
Freeway use by bicycles will never be seen in significant enough numbers for
such data to be gathered. If the numbers were there, it would likely lead
to an outright BAN on freeway use by bicycles. That is, more bicycles on
the freeway, more deaths, more legislation, now we're back to where we
started with no data. -Dave
 
On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:36:45 GMT, H M Leary <[email protected]>
wrote:


>
>Teddy has driven across Chappaquidic Bridge a zillion times mostly
>drunker than a skunk.
>

I don't know if that's true or false and neither do you, but i do know
that the stop sign laura bush blew was at an intersection she had been
thru a million times.
 
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:36:45 GMT, H M Leary <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >Teddy has driven across Chappaquidic Bridge a zillion times mostly
> >drunker than a skunk.
> >
>
> I don't know if that's true or false and neither do you, but i do know
> that the stop sign laura bush blew was at an intersection she had been
> thru a million times.

By age 17? Sounds like a bit of a stretch. I'm sure you've heard the
phease "young and dumb" before.
 
[email protected] wrote:
> Mike T. wrote:

>>Well this whole discussion started because someone was advocating
>>more-frequent use of freeways by bicycles. If that actually happened, I
>>assure you that the hazards would not be just imaginary. -Dave
>
>
> OK. And I assure you it wouldn't pose a significant problem.
>
> Unless one of us posts actual data, I guess that makes this a tie!
> ;-)
>
> Now, I have actually seen data to prove my point. I believe I can find
> it and post it. But I'm willing to let you go first.
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>

I've got a report in pdf format entitled "Statewide Safety Study of
Bicycles and Pedestrians on Freeways, Expressways, Toll Bridges, and
Tunnels" that I'll send to anyone who asks.

Wayne
 
R Brickston wrote:
> "Sorni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:13:03 GMT, "Sorni"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:55:59 GMT, "Sorni" wrote:
>>>>> And BTW my name is the
>>>>> truth. Laura Bush is guilty of VH.
>>>>
>>>> You've never missed a stop sign or a red light? Ever come close?
>>>> Lucky? Unlucky???
>>>
>>> That's no answer. If you or i ran a stop sign and killed an
>>> innocent person, we'd be prosecuted.
>>
>> Yeah, she sure had a lot of political pull at age 17.
>>
>>
>>>> Now, driving off a bridge with your pregnant mistress, saving your
>>>> own drunken ass and political career while leaving her to drown and
>>>> then waiting many hours to even /report/ the crime -- as opposed to
>>>> confess it -- now THAT should be "VH" as you call it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Teddy went off a single lane bridge with no guard rail at night. The
>>> real killer was the idiot who built the bridge. Next question.
>>
>> The bridge designer made Ted hiccup and weave his way HOME instead of
>> stopping at the first house to call for help?
>>
>> "While attending law school at the University of Virginia, he was
>> cited for
>> reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked
>> driving 90 miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his
>> headlights off after dark. Yet his Virginia driver's license was
>> never revoked. On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on
>> Chappaquiddick Island
>> in Massachusetts. At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur's
>> keys to his Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a ride home to
>> Mary Jo Kopechne, a
>> campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit, narrow, rickety
>> wooden bridge, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge and into
>> Poucha Pond. He swam to shore and walked back to the party -- passing
>> several
>> houses and
>> a fire station -- and two friends returned with him to the scene of
>> the accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what
>> he already
>> knew, that he was required by law to immediately report the accident
>> to the
>> authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his
>> lawyer, and went to sleep.
>>
>> Kennedy called the police the next morning. By then the wreck had
>> already been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the
>> upholstered floor above her head in the upside-down car. The Kennedy
>> family began pulling strings, ensuring that any inquiry would be
>> contained. Her corpse was whisked out-of-state to her family, before
>> an autopsy could be conducted."
>>
>> (From http://www.nndb.com/people/623/000023554/)
>
> Here's the real deal:
>
> http://www.ytedk.com/

But...you know, a 17-year-old teenage girl having a tragic but very
commonplace accident is so much /worse/ than all that. After all, a Usenet
Kook has devoted his entire username /persona/ to it.

Sick.
 
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 05:44:18 GMT, "Sorni"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:13:03 GMT, "Sorni"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:55:59 GMT, "Sorni" wrote:
>>>>> And BTW my name is the
>>>>> truth. Laura Bush is guilty of VH.
>>>>
>>>> You've never missed a stop sign or a red light? Ever come close?
>>>> Lucky? Unlucky???
>>>
>>> That's no answer. If you or i ran a stop sign and killed an
>>> innocent person, we'd be prosecuted.
>>
>> Yeah, she sure had a lot of political pull at age 17.
>>
>
> I didn't say that. But she was from a wealthy family and rich people
> routinely buy their way out of horrible crimes. Happens every day.

I posted a link to a truthful account of what happened. You deleted it.

I posted a truthful account of what happened in the Kennedy /crime/ (your
word finally fits). You deleted that, too.

No big surprises with you.

BS
 
morticide wrote:
> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:36:45 GMT, H M Leary <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Teddy has driven across Chappaquidic Bridge a zillion times mostly
>>> drunker than a skunk.
>>>
>>
>> I don't know if that's true or false and neither do you, but i do
>> know that the stop sign laura bush blew was at an intersection she
>> had been thru a million times.
>
> By age 17? Sounds like a bit of a stretch. I'm sure you've heard the
> phease "young and dumb" before.

Ask yourself this: if Kerry had won the election and /Teresa/ had had a
tragic accident in her past, would this guy have a hateful username about
HER?

How about if Gore had won and /Tipper/ had been involved in a fatal car
crash as a teenager? Do you think this guy would be calling himself "tipper
gore - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE"???

He doesn't give a whit about a car crash or an unfortunate victim; he only
wants to express his hatred for anything Bush.

It's classless and despicable. Period.
 
"Wayne Pein" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:%[email protected]...

> I've got a report in pdf format entitled "Statewide Safety Study of
> Bicycles and Pedestrians on Freeways, Expressways, Toll Bridges, and
> Tunnels" that I'll send to anyone who asks.

You don't have to bother Mr. Pein -- I was curious, and googled it:

http://transweb.sjsu.edu/publications/BikesAndPeds2.pdf


--
Warm Regards,

Claire Petersky
http://www.bicyclemeditations.org/
See the books I've set free at: http://bookcrossing.com/referral/Cpetersky
 
I suspect that the original posting is something of a troll, but here
goes...

I've ridden on Interstates in places where it is allowed for lack of
good alternatives. In lightly trafficked rural areas it isn't bad at
all if you keep your wits about you, especially around entrance and
exit ramps.

I can't imagine riding a bicycle on a busy urban freeway even if it
were allowed and even where there existed a decent shoulder all the way
to my destination (not always the case!). Driving a car under those
circumstances can be scary enough.

--Joe
 
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>
> It's really the safest place for them since there is always a wide
> berm on a freeway and there is no chance of some parked car pulling
> into their path like happens all the time in cities.. We need to
> encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.
>
They are allowed on some freeways.


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of care, both by technologists and anti-technologists; and if care and
Quality are external and internal aspects of the same thing, then it
follows that what really causes technological hopelessness is absence of
the perception of Quality in technologists and anti-technologists.
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"H M Leary" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>,
> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:13:03 GMT, "Sorni"
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > >laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:55:59 GMT, "Sorni" wrote:
> >
> snip
> > >
> > >Now, driving off a bridge with your pregnant mistress, saving your own
> > >drunken ass and political career while leaving her to drown and then
waiting
> > >many hours to even /report/ the crime -- as opposed to confess it --
now
> > >THAT should be "VH" as you call it.
> > >
> >
> > Teddy went off a single lane bridge with no guard rail at night. The
> > real killer was the idiot who built the bridge. Next question.
>
> The bridge only has a guard rail durring the day????
>
> Teddy has driven across Chappaquidic Bridge a zillion times mostly
> drunker than a skunk.
>
> Edmond Dennise, the DA of Martha's Vineyard, was bought off by Ole Aunty
> Rose for about 3million. He bought a Holliday Inn over on the mainland.
>
> HAND

Rose only had to ask herself WWJD* and act accordingly.

All this argument shows is that rich Democrats and rich Republicans get a
different sort of "justice" than poor Democats and poor Republicans. Race,
political affiliation and religion no longer matter in America. Everyone
receives equal justice in proportion to what he or she is able to pay for
it.
 
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