Why aren't bikes allowed on freeways.???

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laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2006 16:25:34 -0700, "james" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >And I AM for more cyclist use in the cities. Too many people play
> >dress up like Lance Armstrong only zip along trails. The smart cookies
> >have the grocery panniers, racks, and cool gear for utility cycling.
> >In my neighborhood everyone from students to lawyers to a nice 85 year
> >old lady on a trike style goes to the grocery store with their bikes,
> >it's much easier than driving, and more enjoyable.
>
> I'd like to use a bike for city driving to the grocery or library etc.
> but i still think it's just too damn dangerous.

You're wrong.

See http://www.bicyclinglife.com/SafetySkills/SafetyQuiz.htm

- Frank Krygowski

 

[Mike T.]

> It's true that motorists _sometimes_ don't see motorcyclists. And they
> _sometimes_ don't see other motorists. They sometimes don't see
> tractor trailer rigs or bridge abutments.
>
> But all the above are rare,

OK, I've just concluded, with near 100% certainty, that you have never
operated a motorcycle before. Hell, even motorcyclists don't see other
motorcycles, and they (of all people) SHOULD know to look for them. -Dave

 

[laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE]

On 19 Jun 2006 12:33:38 -0700, "Grendel" <[email protected]>
wrote:


>
>Again, many people (engineers, safety specialist etc) ALL more
>intelligent than you have determined that it's a bad idea.
>

Listen to the stupid little sheep who believes everything the
"experts" say. Well - i don't know cause i know they're corrupt and
say whatever they're paid to say. You can buy an engineer with a
steak dinner. THINK

 

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Mike T. wrote:
> >
> > [J.P. wrote:] No need to theorize, you can look at the statistics in states where it's
> > been legal for decades.
>
> Josh - Ever heard the saying there are lies, there are DAMNED LIES, and then
> there are statistics???

That saying is quoted most often by people who suddenly realize the
data indicates that they're wrong. They use it as a vague excuse for
sticking to their opinion in the face of evidence.

> I don't doubt the statistics probably show that biking on the freeway is
> pretty safe, in areas where it is currently allowed.
>
> Of course, it's only "pretty safe" at the moment as it's not too common,
> even in areas where it is allowed.

Sorry, but it's _very_ safe. Problems are vanishingly rare.

The only way to imagine this being dangerous is to imagine motorists
weaving uncontrollably all over 40+ feet of pavement as they drive. In
real life, motorists very rarely run onto the freeway shoulder. They
do so even less when they see something in the shoulder, whether it's a
broken muffler or a person on a bike. And they rarely fail to notice a
person on a bike, if only because they are not that common.

It's just not a problem!

- Frank Krygowski

 

[B1ackwater]

On 19 Jun 2006 16:39:42 -0700, "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>> Besides, WHY would you want to bike on an interstate ? They're
>> BORING - look the same everywhere. Secondary and residential
>> streets would be just as fast, but you'd get to LOOK at stuff,
>> perhaps interact.
>
>Why the hell would I want to interact with people? I'm trying to get
>from one place to another.

If that's your goal - ditch the bike and buy a car or motorcycle.
Bicycles are for getting to places SLOWLY.

Or maybe you had a bunch of DUIs ??? Well, tough. Hire a taxi
or stick out your thumb.

 

[laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE]

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:55:59 GMT, "Sorni"
<[email protected]> wrote:


>Go ahead and keep your classless and hateful user-name (until the next
>version, of course). Says a hell of a lot more about YOU than her.
>

A name flame?? Is that all you've got?. And BTW my name is the
truth. Laura Bush is guilty of VH.

 

[laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE]

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:35:34 -0400, "Mike T." <[email protected]> wrote:

>>
>> I'd like to use a bike for city driving to the grocery or library etc.
>> but i still think it's just too damn dangerous.
>
>So you'd rather bike out on the freeway? Interesting twist of logic there.
>

Yes. Stop and think and you'd realize it's safer on the freeways for
a biker than on city streets.

 

[laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE]

On 19 Jun 2006 22:18:31 -0700, "Furious George" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>Raoul Duke wrote:
>> "laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>
>> > Stay off the berm and leave it for the cyclists and don't drive 85
>> > mph. 85 is only for psychopaths.
>>
>> Obviously you've never driven across Texas. One HUNDRED eighty five
>> wouldn't be fast enough.
>
>You are right. When leaving Texas, one hundred eighty five kph is way
>too slow. If possible, it is best to exceed the speed of sound so you
>don't have to listen to Texas bull ****. Better yet, exceed the speed
>of light so you don't have to look at their ugly women.

Women are illegal in texas. It's the **** state.

 

[Sorni]

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:55:59 GMT, "Sorni" wrote:


>> Go ahead and keep your classless and hateful user-name (until the
>> next version, of course). Says a hell of a lot more about YOU than
>> her.

> A name flame?? Is that all you've got?

No, you /trimmed/ the rest of what I wrote. Trolling asswipe.

> And BTW my name is the
> truth. Laura Bush is guilty of VH.

You've never missed a stop sign or a red light? Ever come close? Lucky?
Unlucky???

Now, driving off a bridge with your pregnant mistress, saving your own
drunken ass and political career while leaving her to drown and then waiting
many hours to even /report/ the crime -- as opposed to confess it -- now
THAT should be "VH" as you call it.

Again, people can read the Snopes link (which of course you felt necessary
to delete) to learn what really happened. Tragic, but not at all uncommon.

Spitting out the hook now, BS

 

[Mike T.]

> It's just not a problem!
>

My point, which you didn't respond to, is that it WOULD be a problem, if it
was more common. I don't blame you for not trying to refute it,
hough. -Dave

 

[Mike T.]

>>> I'd like to use a bike for city driving to the grocery or library etc.
>>> but i still think it's just too damn dangerous.
>>
>>So you'd rather bike out on the freeway? Interesting twist of logic
>>there.
>>
>
> Yes. Stop and think and you'd realize it's safer on the freeways for
> a biker than on city streets.
>

As usual, you are just plain wrong. -Dave

 

[necromancer]

> Sorni said in rec.autos.driving:
> You've never missed a stop sign or a red light? Ever come close? Lucky?
> Unlucky???

Well, there is this comment (in the .sig) that Loco Laura recently made
that gives me pause to think....

--
Loco Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend admits to being a red light
runner:

"The cameras don't catch everyone. I have never been nailed for this."

Laura Bush murdered her boyfriend, 5/9/06
Ref: http://tinyurl.com/ee4wq
Message ID: [email protected]

 

[Lepidopteran]

On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:31:31 GMT, laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
<[email protected]> wrote:

>We need to
>encourage bike use and i say BIKES EVERYWHERE.

In Maryland, bicycles are permitted on the shoulders of a freeway
section of MD-32 between the MD-198 end/interchange at Ft. Meade and
the MD-175 interchange in Odenton. This 3-mile stretch is marked with
green "Bike Route" trailblazers and bicycle icons painted on the
shoulder. A yellow diamond warning sign is posted in advance (<bike
icon> on shoulder, next 3 miles) and an iconic "No Bicycles" sign may
be seen beyond the designated area.

I think this was done because otherwise there was no practical route
for a cyclist to get between Odenton and Laurel, MD. This happened
because (a) MD-32 was upgraded completely to freeway in the Ft. Meade
area in the last few years, and (b) Ft. Meade itself, formerly an
"open" Army base, after 9-11-01 became secure, so cyclists can no
longer cut through the base -- well, not without a DoD tag on their
bike at least.

--
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Mike T. wrote:
> > It's just not a problem!
> >
>
> My point, which you didn't respond to, is that it WOULD be a problem, if it
> was more common.

Well, if you want to confine the discussion to imaginary hazards, I
guess we can do that!

In a sense, it's a good sign when people start worrying about very
unlikely events. It means that real life is actually very safe.

- Frank Krygowski

 

[laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE]

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:13:03 GMT, "Sorni"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:55:59 GMT, "Sorni" wrote:

>
>> And BTW my name is the
>> truth. Laura Bush is guilty of VH.
>
>You've never missed a stop sign or a red light? Ever come close? Lucky?
>Unlucky???

That's no answer. If you or i ran a stop sign and killed an innocent
person, we'd be prosecuted.


>
>Now, driving off a bridge with your pregnant mistress, saving your own
>drunken ass and political career while leaving her to drown and then waiting
>many hours to even /report/ the crime -- as opposed to confess it -- now
>THAT should be "VH" as you call it.
>

Teddy went off a single lane bridge with no guard rail at night. The
real killer was the idiot who built the bridge. Next question.

 

[laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE]

On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 08:46:22 -0400, "Mike T." <[email protected]> wrote:

>> Like Richard, we never once exited when we intended to go straight.
>> Non-urban freeway exit ramps get very little exiting traffic, and the
>> cyclist takes only a few seconds to cross the ramp so there's
>> negligible hazard even if the cyclist didn't bother to check his rear
>> view mirror. And if motorists are really going to argue they wouldn't
>> notice a cyclist, they should admit to severe sight problems and turn
>> in their license!
>>
>
>Ummmm . . . motorists often fail to see motorcycles, and motorcycles:
>1) Are larger than bicycles
>2) Are LOUDER than bicycles
>3) Have lights on (front and rear) at all times while the engine is running
>4) Are faster than bicycles
>
>If people can't see motorcycles, how do you expect them to see bicycles,
>which are (in comparison) slow, small, quiet, and not lit
>up?????????????????????????????????? -Dave
>

Drivers don't see motorcyclists and bikers because they don't pay
attention. They're yakking on a cel phone or playing with the radio
or just daydreaming. The way to stop that is to stop coddling goof-off
drivers. We need a law that says anyone found at fault in a fatal
crash must serve at least 10 years in prison. Then drivers would keep
their eyes on the road and hands on the wheel.

 

[Fact Attack]

re: Hey stupid. The bikes would be confined to the berm of course,
and
would not interfere with motorized drivers.

lol, god i'm really shocked at the stupidy of many Americans, when you
say they're retarded, it's not an exaggeration, it's like they can't
grasp ANYTHING, no matter how simple it is. I really think we are
being poisoned.

Watch these videos on the effects of water fluoridation.

the fluoridation of the water supply is to give the public a mass
lobotomy. Watch these videos, and the shocking truth. The chief
propogandist of the fluoridation movement was Edward Bernays, Sigmund
Freud's nephew.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...12195249 3016

 

[Sorni]

laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:13:03 GMT, "Sorni"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:55:59 GMT, "Sorni" wrote:
>>> And BTW my name is the
>>> truth. Laura Bush is guilty of VH.
>>
>> You've never missed a stop sign or a red light? Ever come close?
>> Lucky? Unlucky???
>
> That's no answer. If you or i ran a stop sign and killed an innocent
> person, we'd be prosecuted.

Yeah, she sure had a lot of political pull at age 17.


>> Now, driving off a bridge with your pregnant mistress, saving your
>> own drunken ass and political career while leaving her to drown and
>> then waiting many hours to even /report/ the crime -- as opposed to
>> confess it -- now THAT should be "VH" as you call it.
>>
>
> Teddy went off a single lane bridge with no guard rail at night. The
> real killer was the idiot who built the bridge. Next question.

The bridge designer made Ted hiccup and weave his way HOME instead of
stopping at the first house to call for help?

"While attending law school at the University of Virginia, he was cited for
reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90
miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after
dark. Yet his Virginia driver's license was never revoked.

On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in
Massachusetts. At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur's keys to his
Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne, a
campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit, narrow, rickety wooden
bridge, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge and into Poucha Pond.

He swam to shore and walked back to the party -- passing several houses and
a fire station -- and two friends returned with him to the scene of the
accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he already
knew, that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to the
authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer,
and went to sleep.

Kennedy called the police the next morning. By then the wreck had already
been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered
floor above her head in the upside-down car. The Kennedy family began
pulling strings, ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse
was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an autopsy could be
conducted."

(From http://www.nndb.com/people/623/000023554/)

 

[Joshua Putnam]

In article <[email protected]>,
[email protected] says...

> Imagine if traffic density of bicycles increased to say, 10 per mile, on the
> average freeway. I'm sure that the numbers would then show why allowing
> bicycles on freeways is a really TERRIBLE idea. -Dave

When I've seen dozens per mile on I-5 and I-90 it hasn't been a problem.
Both Interstates are included in some large group ride routes, have been
for years, without unusual difficulties.

It's simply safe.

--
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<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Updated Bicycle Touring Books List:
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[R Brickston]

"Sorni" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 15:13:03 GMT, "Sorni"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:55:59 GMT, "Sorni" wrote:
>>>> And BTW my name is the
>>>> truth. Laura Bush is guilty of VH.
>>>
>>> You've never missed a stop sign or a red light? Ever come close?
>>> Lucky? Unlucky???
>>
>> That's no answer. If you or i ran a stop sign and killed an innocent
>> person, we'd be prosecuted.
>
> Yeah, she sure had a lot of political pull at age 17.
>
>
>>> Now, driving off a bridge with your pregnant mistress, saving your
>>> own drunken ass and political career while leaving her to drown and
>>> then waiting many hours to even /report/ the crime -- as opposed to
>>> confess it -- now THAT should be "VH" as you call it.
>>>
>>
>> Teddy went off a single lane bridge with no guard rail at night. The
>> real killer was the idiot who built the bridge. Next question.
>
> The bridge designer made Ted hiccup and weave his way HOME instead of
> stopping at the first house to call for help?
>
> "While attending law school at the University of Virginia, he was cited
> for
> reckless driving four times, including once when he was clocked driving 90
> miles per hour in a residential neighborhood with his headlights off after
> dark. Yet his Virginia driver's license was never revoked.
>
> On July 19, 1969, Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick Island in
> Massachusetts. At about 11:00 PM, he borrowed his chauffeur's keys to his
> Oldsmobile limousine, and offered to give a ride home to Mary Jo Kopechne,
> a
> campaign worker. Leaving the island via an unlit, narrow, rickety wooden
> bridge, Kennedy steered the car off the bridge and into Poucha Pond.
>
> He swam to shore and walked back to the party -- passing several houses
> and
> a fire station -- and two friends returned with him to the scene of the
> accident. According to their later testimony, they told him what he
> already
> knew, that he was required by law to immediately report the accident to
> the
> authorities. Instead Kennedy made his way to his hotel, called his lawyer,
> and went to sleep.
>
> Kennedy called the police the next morning. By then the wreck had already
> been discovered. Before dying, Kopechne had scratched at the upholstered
> floor above her head in the upside-down car. The Kennedy family began
> pulling strings, ensuring that any inquiry would be contained. Her corpse
> was whisked out-of-state to her family, before an autopsy could be
> conducted."
>
> (From http://www.nndb.com/people/623/000023554/)

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