Which triple for road bike?

EDS said:

The price of Dura-Ace and Chorus are virtually the same.
I've Googled and read a bunch of discussions on the DA
triple. It has not been overwhelmingly positive. I've
found fewer postings on the Chorus triple. One theory
would be that people tend to post about problems and
Chorus has fewer of them.

Another theory would be that fewer bikes come installed with
Chorus, so there are fewer people out there to complain.

The Ultegra triple is only slightly heavier than Dura-Ace,
but it's much less expensive. The largest downside to the
Shimano cranks I see is the silly Octalink bottom bracket,
destined to do the "Shimano creak" in short order as the
crank slips ever so slightly on the splines. It's very
annoying to climb next to a Shimano rider.

I decided to take the path less traveled and purchase an FSA
triple with ISIS bottom bracket. There are some pretty
decent prices for these compnents on ebay. The parts are on
their way...we'll see how well they work in due time.

Another option is the FSA compact crank double, with 50/34
chainwheels. You lose a little off the high end and a little
off the low end of a triple, but the low range is pretty
darn low. And you get to keep your current shifters.

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What do folks who actually ride bikes with these
components think? I haven't ridden a bike with Campy
brifters. What is the difference in how these operate v.
the Shimano ones?

The Campy brake levers aren't used to do the shifting, only
the braking. There's a finger lever to shift one way and a
thumb lever to shift the other way. Campy brifters can be
overhauled, Shimanos can't. When the Shimanos stop working,
you replace them.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA bike.terrymorse.combike.terrymorse.comOpen ↗

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What do folks who actually ride bikes with these
components think? I haven't ridden a bike with Campy
brifters. What is the difference in how these operate v.
the Shimano ones?

Thanks,

ed

I am 74 and ride a LandShark (custom steel frame) with Campy
Chorus triple components and love it. Got it from GVH Bikes.
I find the shifting to be a lot easier with Campy than
Shimano, plus you can repair Campy shifters with parts if
necessary. But repairs are rare. The LandShark steel frame
helps make my ride smoother and less jarring on the spine
and wrist's.

If I were to buy a new bike now, I'd go with Gary's newest
steel frame (made by a famous builder). His email is
[email hidden] . Gary Hobbs carries hundreds of frames
and custom builds at a bargain price. Almost any name brand
is in stock. His web site is gvhbikes.comgvhbikes.comOpen ↗

Tom Hobby

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I'm looking at getting a new road bike in the not too
distant future. Usage will be mostly solo riding around
the New England area, with occasional group rides and
centuries.

My tired old body is demanding a triple. Right now, my
road bike has an Ultegra double.

The price of Dura-Ace and Chorus are virtually the same.
I've Googled and read a bunch of discussions on the DA
triple. It has not been overwhelmingly positive. I've
found fewer postings on the Chorus triple. One theory
would be that people tend to post about problems and
Chorus has fewer of them.

What do folks who actually ride bikes with these
components think? I haven't ridden a bike with Campy
brifters. What is the difference in how these operate v.
the Shimano ones?

Thanks,

ed

I'm very happy with the Campa Veloce triple on the road bike
and with the Shimanoa XT on the dirt bike. Both Campa's
Veloce and the Shimanoa 105 equivalent are very good and
seem to fit in with the type of user you are. You did
consider to keep the existing bike and to change toothing on
the existing double?

Bert l.

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I haven't ridden a bike with Campy brifters. What is the
difference in how these operate v. the Shimano ones?

You haven't missed much. The hoods are much smaller so if
your hands are man sized they are uncomfortable. To shift to
a higher ger you must use your thumb like on the cheap sora
group. This limits hand positions and makes it difficult to
shift in the drops Camp. copied the lowest shimano group for
their brifters.

EDS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I'm looking at getting a new road bike in the not too
distant future. Usage will be mostly solo riding around
the New England area, with occasional group rides and
centuries.

My tired old body is demanding a triple. Right now, my
road bike has an Ultegra double.

The price of Dura-Ace and Chorus are virtually the same.
I've Googled and read a bunch of discussions on the DA
triple. It has not been overwhelmingly positive. I've
found fewer postings on the Chorus triple. One theory
would be that people tend to post about problems and
Chorus has fewer of them.

What do folks who actually ride bikes with these
components think? I haven't ridden a bike with Campy
brifters. What is the difference in how these operate v.
the Shimano ones?

Stronglight and TA do excellent triple chainsets! Check out:

peterwhitecycles.competerwhitecycles.comOpen ↗

LGF

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Jkpoulos7 said:

Quoted message said:

haven't ridden a bike with Campy brifters. What is the
difference in how these operate v. the Shimano ones?

You haven't missed much. The hoods are much smaller so
if your hands are man sized they are uncomfortable. To
shift to a higher ger you must use your

thumb

Quoted message said:

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like on the cheap sora group. This limits hand positions
and makes it

difficult

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to shift in the drops Camp. copied the lowest shimano
group for their

brifters.

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This is clearly a troll, but since you asked for
information I don't want this to masquerade as such.

The hoods are not smaller with Campy brifters. I have
large hands, and find them more comfortable than Shimano.

A data point: the 2004 Shimano consumer catalogue makes much
of the fact that they have now reduced the size
(circumference) of their lever hoods.
--
Mark South: World Citizen, Net Denizen

David L. Johnson said:

There are serious differences between the two systems. The
left shifter on Campy Ergo is not really indexed, it has
many clicks -- a ratcheting friction shifter like the old
Sun Tour, sort of. This allows easy trimming of the front
derailleur, and makes the design of the derailleur simpler.
You can also use any cranks you please with Campy, no
worries about compatibility. IMO Shimano front shifters are
much fussier, because of the need to have a one-click
shift. They have recently added trim capabilities to some
models, but Campy had that from the beginning and IMO it
works better.

Thanks. This is helpful. It is the sort of info I was
looking for.

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Another big difference is what happens 2-3 years down the
road. All brifters will wear. Campy ones have a particular
part that wears out at about this much use. Costs less than
$5 to replace, and can be replaced by a reasonably-mechanically-
inclined owner. Shimano ones also break down at around the
same amount of use. They are not repairable, not even by a
shop mechanic.

I did end up replacing my right Ultegra brifter, so I know
about this one. What I didn't realize was how inexpensively
and simply the Campy could be repaired.

EDS <[email hidden]> wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

I'm looking at getting a new road bike in the not too
distant future. Usage will be mostly solo riding around
the New England area, with occasional group rides and
centuries.

My tired old body is demanding a triple. Right now, my
road bike has an Ultegra double.

......

You may consider one of many quality triples with 110mm BCD.
The advantage being the the larger chainrings can go as
small as 34 tooth. With Shimano (130mm bcd) the smallest is
38 and Campy (135mm bcd) the smallest is 39. A 24-36-48
combo can be done in 110 but not in the others.

I suggesting it because I recently put together a quality
old bike with a 110mm bcd 36-44 double. I like it enough
that if I were going to purchase a triple I would go with
it. (110mm BCD triples use the same 74mm BCD small chainring
as Shimano and Campy).

Tom

EDS said:

I'm looking at getting a new road bike in the not too
distant future. Usage will be mostly solo riding around the
New England area, with occasional group rides and
centuries.

My tired old body is demanding a triple. Right now, my road
bike has an Ultegra double.

The price of Dura-Ace and Chorus are virtually the same.
I've Googled and read a bunch of discussions on the DA
triple. It has not been overwhelmingly positive. I've found
fewer postings on the Chorus triple. One theory would be
that people tend to post about problems and Chorus has
fewer of them.

What do folks who actually ride bikes with these components
think? I haven't ridden a bike with Campy brifters. What is
the difference in how these operate v. the Shimano ones?

Thanks,

ed

I have a road bike with Ultegra triple and my wife has one
with Veloce triple. I'm quite happy with my Ultegra set-up
and it works very well, but I think I prefer the Veloce.It
seems to shift more positively and the front shifting is
more forgiving. A couple of things you might think about:

Though I don't think I'd say that either is inherently
better, the hood shapes on each are quite different. You
might find that you prefer one over the other.

The shifting systems are different and if you have other
bikes of either make, you might find it confusing to go from
one to the other.

Good luck.

On 4 Jun 2004 09:31:41 -0700, [email hidden] (Thomas

Reynolds) said:

You may consider one of many quality triples with 110mm
BCD. The advantage being the the larger chainrings can go
as small as 34 tooth. With Shimano (130mm bcd) the smallest
is 38 and Campy (135mm bcd) the smallest is 39. A 24-36-48
combo can be done in 110 but not in the others.

Because it may not automatically occur to some who are
reading this, cranks like that are very easily found by
asking for mountain bike cranks.

For example, Deore FC-M761 = 48-36-26T. BCD isn't 110,
though.
--
Rick Onanian

(Jkpoulos7) said:

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Quoted message said:

I haven't ridden a bike with Campy brifters. What is the
difference in how these operate v. the Shimano ones?

You haven't missed much. The hoods are much smaller so if
your hands are man sized they are uncomfortable.

YMMV. I'm not only a man, I'm 6'4" (1.96 m) and have big
hands. Campy's Ergo levers are far more comfortable than
Shimano's for as- mainly because they make a smooth
transition from the top of the bar onto the top of the hood,
unlike Shimano's design. I never get numb fingers on the
Campy levers and quickly get them on the Shimano STIs.

Quoted message said:

To shift to a higher ger you must use your thumb like on
the cheap sora group. This limits hand positions and makes
it difficult to shift in the drops Camp. copied the lowest
shimano group for their brifters.

Vice versa, actually. Shimano copied Campy- not for the
first time!

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What do folks who actually ride bikes with these
components think? I haven't ridden a bike with Campy
brifters. What is the difference in how these operate v.
the Shimano ones?

I have been using Campagnolo Centaur for the last couple of
months. I am particularly impressed with the quality of the
front shifter. I had serious concerns about going to a
triple and losing quality shifting on the crankset, but the
shifting is very crisp and quick.

I much prefer the feel of Campy's shifting to that of
Shimano. The solid click is reassuring as opposed to the
ephemeral feel of Shimano. I also think that the cable
routing on Campy is much more appearing than the S brand.

I would buy the Centaur group again. Check with Excel
Sports'. They have really good prices on this group.

[censored] Durbin Tallahassee

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On 4 Jun 2004 09:31:41 -0700, [email hidden]

(Thomas Reynolds) said:

You may consider one of many quality triples with 110mm
BCD. The advantage being the the larger chainrings can go
as small as 34 tooth. With Shimano (130mm bcd) the
smallest is 38 and Campy (135mm bcd) the smallest is 39.
A 24-36-48 combo can be done in 110 but not in the
others.

Because it may not automatically occur to some who are
reading this, cranks like that are very easily found by
asking for mountain bike cranks.

For example, Deore FC-M761 = 48-36-26T. BCD isn't
110, though.

Correct. Those are usually 94 mm bcd. One of my road bikes
has an LX 22-34-48 combo. But one of the reasons I have
become enamored with my 110 is because I also have a 52
tooth chainring that I can swap on at anytime. Chainrings
that big are kind of hard to find for 94 mm.

Tom

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Quoted message said:

I'm looking at getting a new road bike in the not too
distant future. Usage will be mostly solo riding around
the New England area, with occasional group rides and
centuries.

My tired old body is demanding a triple. Right now, my
road bike has an Ultegra double.

The price of Dura-Ace and Chorus are virtually the same.
I've Googled and read a bunch of discussions on the DA
triple. It has not been overwhelmingly positive. I've
found fewer postings on the Chorus triple. One theory
would be that people tend to post about problems and
Chorus has fewer of them.

What do folks who actually ride bikes with these
components think? I haven't ridden a bike with Campy
brifters. What is the difference in how these operate v.
the Shimano ones?

If you'd like to pick your own chainrings, instead of having
to use Shimano/Campy's often too large 52-42-30 (some
Campy's come in 50-40-30), then I recommend a TA Alize
crankset from Peter White Cycles. Its a nice looking
crankset, about same weight as Ultegra, good 'ole square
taper BB, and he'll put on any chainring sizes you choose. I
did 50-40-28 and it works perfectly on an otherwise all
Ultegra setup.

www.peterwhitecycles.com

Kyle

[email hidden] (Jkpoulos7) wrote in message news:<[email hidden]>...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I haven't ridden a bike with Campy brifters. What is the
difference in how these operate v. the Shimano ones?

You haven't missed much. The hoods are much smaller so if
your hands are man sized they are uncomfortable. To shift
to a higher ger you must use your thumb like on the cheap
sora group. This limits hand positions and makes it
difficult to shift in the drops Camp. copied the lowest
shimano group for their brifters.

Poulos, are you totally incapable of being embarrassed at
your own ignorant statements? As I told you once before when
you made the same uninformed comment about the Campy hoods
being too small, I am a grown man (53 years old) and they
fit my hands just fine.

Do your homework before you post. Campy's brifters were
around long before Sora. I have never had any trouble
shifting from the drops on my Campys.

Go back to the GI Joe news group since you seem to live in
such a fantasy world.

[censored] Durbin

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Camp. copied the lowest shimano group for their
brifters.

I was wondering who was the type to fall for this ploy.
Now I know. B

And what ploy was that?

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On Fri, 04 Jun 2004 09:34:15 +0000, Jkpoulos7 wrote:

The left shifter on Campy Ergo is not really indexed, it
has many clicks -- a ratcheting friction shifter like the
old Sun Tour, sort of. This allows easy trimming of the
front derailleur, and makes the design of the derailleur
simpler. You can also use any cranks you please with
Campy, no worries about compatibility.

Quoted message said:

Another big difference is what happens 2-3 years down the
road. All brifters will wear. Campy ones have a particular
part that wears out at about this much use. Costs less
than $5 to replace, and can be replaced by a reasonably-mechanically-
inclined owner. Shimano ones also break down at around the
same amount of use. They are not repairable, not even by a
shop mechanic.

Just examples of the above... I have the Campy front brifter
shifting a Shimano front derailleur over a Raceface compact
triple (44-34-22), no problem. (I forgot how strange it
sounds though!)

And the right (rear) brifter did need rebuilding around 5K
miles like Campy suggests. So I rebuilt it and it shifts
like new again. I also rebuilt the front (Left) while I was
at it, but it really didn't need it like the back did.

The Campy front will shift about anything - and the trim
does help, I have Shimano on our tandem and the lack of trim
is a bit of a pain.

In article <[email hidden]>,

David L. Johnson said:

All brifters will wear. Campy ones have a particular part
that wears out at about this much use. Costs less than $5
to replace, and can be replaced by a reasonably-mechanically-
inclined owner.

$5 for a Campy part? I didn't think any parts made by Campy
were that cheap. The rubber brake hoods alone cost $40:

branfordbike.combrk4.htmlOpen ↗

I think you need to add a zero after that $5 figure, above.
--
terry morse Palo Alto, CA bike.terrymorse.combike.terrymorse.comOpen ↗

Terry Morse said:

$5 for a Campy part? I didn't think any parts made by
Campy were that cheap. The rubber brake hoods alone
cost $40:

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I think you need to add a zero after that $5 figure,
above.

branfordbike.combk05biga.htmlOpen ↗

#2 is the thumb return spring ($5.88) and #4 is the G spring
#($4.88). that's
each & they are just little springs.
--
david reuteler [email hidden]