whey protein

Quoted message said:

hey all,

i'm wondering if whey protein will help me gain muscle mass/weight. I'm
5'7, 125 pounds and take ballet, taekwondo and swimming. I don't lift
any weights except isometric(?) exercises like pushups and situps.

Negative. You need to lift progressively heavier weights on regular
basis,get enough rest, eat hypercalorically and get enough protein in
order to gain muscle mass. Whey protein won't do much unless you
consume enough calories and lift heavy enough weights.

RC

Quoted message said:

thanks!
-Jerome

Thanks for the info RC!!

Blair P. Houghton said:

Quoted message said:

hey all,

i'm wondering if whey protein will help me gain muscle mass/weight.

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

5'7, 125 pounds and take ballet, taekwondo and swimming. I don't

lift

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any weights except isometric(?) exercises like pushups and situps.

Whey protein is just another source of protein, just like
meat, but usually with less fat.

Wrong. Try www.brinkzone.com/whey-cancer.html for one example.

David

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

Quoted message said:

hey all,

i'm wondering if whey protein will help me gain muscle mass/weight.

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

5'7, 125 pounds and take ballet, taekwondo and swimming. I don't

lift

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any weights except isometric(?) exercises like pushups and situps.

Whey protein is just another source of protein, just like
meat, but usually with less fat.

Wrong.

Being wrong is the only thing he is good at. Don't take that away from
him.

Quoted message said:

Try www.brinkzone.com/whey-cancer.html for one example.

David

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

Quoted message said:

hey all,

i'm wondering if whey protein will help me gain muscle mass/weight.

I'm

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

5'7, 125 pounds and take ballet, taekwondo and swimming. I don't

lift

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

any weights except isometric(?) exercises like pushups and situps.

Whey protein is just another source of protein, just like
meat, but usually with less fat.

Wrong. Try www.brinkzone.com/whey-cancer.html for one example.

David

Wow...
And 30 grams per day is NOT one hell of a lot!
When I do Isopure Whey, I generally do 2 shakes per day at 40 grams each.

Neat site, thank you!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

<[email hidden]> wrote:
>hey all,
>
>i'm wondering if whey protein will help me gain muscle mass/weight.

I'm

Quoted message said:

>5'7, 125 pounds and take ballet, taekwondo and swimming. I don't

lift

Quoted message said:

>any weights except isometric(?) exercises like pushups and situps.

Whey protein is just another source of protein, just like
meat, but usually with less fat.

Wrong. Try www.brinkzone.com/whey-cancer.html for one example.

Wow...
And 30 grams per day is NOT one hell of a lot!
When I do Isopure Whey, I generally do 2 shakes per day at 40 grams each.

Neat site, thank you!

Despite certain Australian and British gentlemen who have a problem with
him, Will knows his stuff.

I use creatine for general health based on articles he's written for Life
Extension Magazine www.lef.org

He DOES have crappy taste in Presidential candidates, however.

David

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Quoted message said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >hey all,
> >
> >i'm wondering if whey protein will help me gain muscle mass/weight.
I'm
> >5'7, 125 pounds and take ballet, taekwondo and swimming. I don't
lift
> >any weights except isometric(?) exercises like pushups and situps.
>
> Whey protein is just another source of protein, just like
> meat, but usually with less fat.

Wrong. Try www.brinkzone.com/whey-cancer.html for one example.

Wow...
And 30 grams per day is NOT one hell of a lot!
When I do Isopure Whey, I generally do 2 shakes per day at 40 grams

each.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Neat site, thank you!

Despite certain Australian and British gentlemen who have a problem with
him, Will knows his stuff.

I use creatine for general health based on articles he's written for Life
Extension Magazine www.lef.org

He DOES have crappy taste in Presidential candidates, however.

David

Ha ha - Gentlemen! You'r making a big assumption there David - (especially
with the Brit)

"DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> > Whey protein is just another source of protein, just like
> > meat, but usually with less fat.
>
> Wrong. Try www.brinkzone.com/whey-cancer.html for one example.

Wow... And 30 grams per day is NOT one hell of a lot! When I do
Isopure Whey, I generally do 2 shakes per day at 40 grams each.
Neat site, thank you!

Despite certain Australian and British gentlemen who have a problem with
him, Will knows his stuff.

I use creatine for general health based on articles he's written for Life
Extension Magazine www.lef.org

No argument about Will but LEF haven't earned my respect or money.
Here is an example:

http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about24803.html
("Resveratrol Claims Tussle" thread)

Gee, who knew there was such intrigue in the supplement industry. Who knew
there were so many people who cared and posted stuff about it? It's all, so,
Conte-like.

David

"DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

DZ wrote

Quoted message said:

> I use creatine for general health based on articles he's written for
> Life
> Extension Magazine www.lef.org

No argument about Will but LEF haven't earned my respect or money.
Here is an example:

http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about24803.html
("Resveratrol Claims Tussle" thread)

Gee, who knew there was such intrigue in the supplement industry. Who
knew
there were so many people who cared and posted stuff about it? It's all,
so,
Conte-like.

Maybe, but I don't want to give money to a supplement company that
creates a bogus website - quite unaptly at that, slandering a
competitor while selling a similar "product".

I guess such machinations don't bother me as much. Maybe I just expect it.

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Did I mention that oral resveratrol is a scam?

Really? It would seem that "oral" would be the expected way to supplement a
substance found in various edible food-like things. What am I missing? And
does the butler end up being guilty?

David

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David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
> >hey all,
> >
> >i'm wondering if whey protein will help me gain muscle mass/weight.
I'm
> >5'7, 125 pounds and take ballet, taekwondo and swimming. I don't
lift
> >any weights except isometric(?) exercises like pushups and situps.
>
> Whey protein is just another source of protein, just like
> meat, but usually with less fat.

Wrong. Try www.brinkzone.com/whey-cancer.html for one example.

Wow...
And 30 grams per day is NOT one hell of a lot!
When I do Isopure Whey, I generally do 2 shakes per day at 40 grams each.

Neat site, thank you!

Despite certain Australian and British gentlemen who have a problem with
him, Will knows his stuff.

I use creatine for general health based on articles he's written for Life
Extension Magazine www.lef.org

He DOES have crappy taste in Presidential candidates, however.

David

<snicker> I take it you are a republican?????

I don't take creatine at the moment, but am considering it later.
I have enough of a problem with fluid retention due to the
hypothyroidism... so I'm dubious that it would benefit me, at least
until I get most of the weight off.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-[censored]." -Jack Nicholson

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

I use creatine for general health based on articles he's written for Life
Extension Magazine www.lef.org

Speaking of that, I took everything I did for the LEF on creatine and
added additional material, and put it all into one big report on
creatine. And yes you cheap J%#, it's free. See:
http://www.creatine-report.com/

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He DOES have crappy taste in Presidential candidates, however.

But I have awsome taste in guns Kimber Boy....

Quoted message said:

David

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

DZ said:

No argument about Will but LEF haven't earned my respect or money.
Here is an example:

http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about24803.html
("Resveratrol Claims Tussle" thread)

I didn't have the energy to go through all that thread, but I have done
consulting work for them, RnD, and of course write for their mag. They
generally have very high quality controll, some great formulations
(their multi is by far the best on the market), use the best raw
materials they can as a rule, and are a good group most of the time. A
few of their formulas are odd and based on thin science, but most of
their stuff ranges from great to good. They hired a friend of mine who I
set up with them, who is an Brown and Dartmouth trained MD with many
years in big pharma, so things should only improve, in particular the
science behind formulations, etc.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

DZ said:

No argument about Will but LEF haven't earned my respect or money.
Here is an example:

http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about24803.html
("Resveratrol Claims Tussle" thread)

I didn't have the energy to go through all that thread, but I have done
consulting work for them, RnD, and of course write for their mag. They
generally have very high quality controll, some great formulations
(their multi is by far the best on the market), use the best raw
materials they can as a rule, and are a good group most of the time. A
few of their formulas are odd and based on thin science, but most of
their stuff ranges from great to good. They hired a friend of mine who I
set up with them, who is an Brown and Dartmouth trained MD with many
years in big pharma, so things should only improve, in particular the
science behind formulations, etc.

My comment on this is simply life extension in and of itself does seem to
attract a certain mind set when it comes to supllementation. I am familiar
with their products and always of the opinion that some are the best out
there. some OK. And some that totally miss the mark.

This is different from real life, how??

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

Blair P. Houghton wrote:
> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>> hey all,
>>
>> i'm wondering if whey protein will help me gain muscle
>> mass/weight. I'm 5'7, 125 pounds and take ballet, taekwondo and
>> swimming. I don't lift any weights except isometric(?) exercises
>> like pushups and situps.
>
> Whey protein is just another source of protein, just like
> meat, but usually with less fat.

Wrong. Try www.brinkzone.com/whey-cancer.html for one example.

Wow...
And 30 grams per day is NOT one hell of a lot!
When I do Isopure Whey, I generally do 2 shakes per day at 40 grams
each. Neat site, thank you!

Despite certain Australian and British gentlemen who have a problem
with him, Will knows his stuff.

I use creatine for general health based on articles he's written for
Life Extension Magazine www.lef.org

He DOES have crappy taste in Presidential candidates, however.

David

lmao! We'll stay on him David. Will will come around by next election. He
just needs to get in touch with his conservative side. He already has the
guns.
--
-Larry

"DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

David Cohen said:

DZ said:

Did I mention that oral resveratrol is a scam?

Really? It would seem that "oral" would be the expected way to
supplement a substance found in various edible food-like
things. What am I missing?

"the oral bioavailability of resveratrol is almost zero due to rapid
and extensive metabolism and the consequent formation of various
metabolites" - http://tinyurl.com/4ple7

Aw, come on, I expect better of you, really. Here's BOTH sentences that end
the abstract:

"The oral bioavailability of resveratrol is almost zero due to rapid and
extensive metabolism and the consequent formation of various metabolites as
resveratrol glucuronides and resveratrol sulfates. The potential biologic
activity of resveratrol conjugates should be considered in future
investigations."

Maybe you want to argue that I am wasting my time injecting phosphenytoin
into seizure patients, because phosphenytoin has almost no biological
activity. We'll just ignore it's metabolite...phenytoin...Dilantin...the
world's most common antiseizure drug.

I think I'll drop out of this thread, thanks.

David

"DZ" <[email hidden]> wrote

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David Cohen said:

You clearly have a "thing" against Life Extension Foundation, for
your own reasons. You may be right, or not, but your bias makes
discussion somewhat of a waste.

I do think that resveratrol is a dud, but that has nothing to do with
LEF, really. If anything, it would be the other way around - perhaps I
think less of LEF for not showing the negative research on the
supplement they sell.

OK. But, you DO have an anti-LEF bias that seems to go beyond any one
specific example. Is there something you'd like to share? Beaten by a
rolled-up LEF magazine as a child? Rejected by that hot LEF phone order
taker? Come on, 'fess up!

David

In article <[email hidden]>,

OmManiPadmeOmelet said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

David Cohen said:

Blair P. Houghton said:

<[email hidden]> wrote:
>hey all,
>
>i'm wondering if whey protein will help me gain muscle mass/weight.

I'm

Quoted message said:

>5'7, 125 pounds and take ballet, taekwondo and swimming. I don't

lift

Quoted message said:

>any weights except isometric(?) exercises like pushups and situps.

Whey protein is just another source of protein, just like
meat, but usually with less fat.

Wrong. Try www.brinkzone.com/whey-cancer.html for one example.

David

Wow...
And 30 grams per day is NOT one hell of a lot!
When I do Isopure Whey, I generally do 2 shakes per day at 40 grams each.

Not to be a kill joy, but I consider isopure sup par whey as it'a an ion
exchange. See:

http://www.brinkzone.com/wheyitis.html

Just about everything you could want to know about whey.

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

In article <[email hidden]>,

Larry Hodges said:

David Cohen said:

"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <[email hidden]> wrote

Quoted message said:

"David Cohen" <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Blair P. Houghton wrote:
>> <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>> hey all,
>>>
>>> i'm wondering if whey protein will help me gain muscle
>>> mass/weight. I'm 5'7, 125 pounds and take ballet, taekwondo and
>>> swimming. I don't lift any weights except isometric(?) exercises
>>> like pushups and situps.
>>
>> Whey protein is just another source of protein, just like
>> meat, but usually with less fat.
>
> Wrong. Try www.brinkzone.com/whey-cancer.html for one example.

Wow...
And 30 grams per day is NOT one hell of a lot!
When I do Isopure Whey, I generally do 2 shakes per day at 40 grams
each. Neat site, thank you!

Despite certain Australian and British gentlemen who have a problem
with him, Will knows his stuff.

I use creatine for general health based on articles he's written for
Life Extension Magazine www.lef.org

He DOES have crappy taste in Presidential candidates, however.

David

lmao! We'll stay on him David. Will will come around by next election.

I shudder to think what out choices will be come next election. If it
ends up being Clinton Vs Rice, I am moving to NZ.

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He
just needs to get in touch with his conservative side.

I try to follow what the founders intended and what I see as the true
nature of this great nation, which is more libertarian slanted then
conservative as it stands today.

Quoted message said:

He already has the
guns.

A free men do :-)

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/

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Lee Michaels said:

"Will Brink" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

DZ said:

No argument about Will but LEF haven't earned my respect or money.
Here is an example:

http://www.groupsrv.com/science/about24803.html
("Resveratrol Claims Tussle" thread)

I didn't have the energy to go through all that thread, but I have done
consulting work for them, RnD, and of course write for their mag. They
generally have very high quality controll, some great formulations
(their multi is by far the best on the market), use the best raw
materials they can as a rule, and are a good group most of the time. A
few of their formulas are odd and based on thin science, but most of
their stuff ranges from great to good. They hired a friend of mine who I
set up with them, who is an Brown and Dartmouth trained MD with many
years in big pharma, so things should only improve, in particular the
science behind formulations, etc.

My comment on this is simply life extension in and of itself does seem to
attract a certain mind set when it comes to supllementation. I am familiar
with their products and always of the opinion that some are the best out
there. some OK. And some that totally miss the mark.

I advised them not to sell deer antler extract. Nuff said there....

Quoted message said:

This is different from real life, how??

LOL.

Quoted message said:

--
Will Brink @ http://www.brinkzone.com/