What you hosers don't seem to understand about LWS

[Dave W]

"x1134x" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> The majority of this forum should be posters who ride wal-mart or kmart
> bikes, because the majority of people who buy mountain bikes buy them
> from those stores. Perhaps you should rename this group to
> alt.snotty-mountainbikers.
> or
>
> alt.don'tposthereunlessyoupaidtoomuchforyourbike.
>
> or alt.ifenginesSCAREyou.rideabicycle
>
> or judging from the gas-related threads here:
> alt.cantaffordagallonof.gas
>

hey..don't let the door hit ya where the dog shoulda bit ya....

 

[Dave Dowler]

"x1134x" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> My asserstion is NOT that bicycle enthusiasts are being tricked, it is
> that bicycle NEOPHYTES are being tricked.
Actually you did make that assertion, "i also bought a 640 dollar GT bike
from him. the "NEXT"
brand bike we bought two years ago is everybit as good. They make them
for relatively the same price, Gary just makes alot more profit by
fooling you into thinking your bike is a mercedes .... I just want to
put down on this forum that in the opinion of someone who bikes alot
(admittedly more honda than pedaling) they are the same if you have
any amount of mechanical inclination."

> Blindly sending everyone to LBS to get the hard sale on a pricey bike
> shows YOUR total ignorance of the market and the products. Lets take a
> look at that market shall we:
> http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/31898/story.htm
>
<snip sales data of bicycle shaped objects>

I never denied that a large number of BSOs are sold, or that they have their
place (like on the top of your truck). I've spent a fair share of time in
bike shops, and never had a hard sell experience. There must be exceptions,
but I've always found bike shops to be on the mellower end of the sales
intensity spectrum. YMMV
>
> If they are going to ride it for serious MOUNTAIN BIKING, then walmart
> bikes are not up to the task due to the increased stresses placed on
> the bike in these condiditons, and the bike manufacturer's even warn
> you of this. You will need to purchase a "high-end specialty bicycle".
> And since they've gotten to this part of the purchasing question,

I see you have learned to back pedal on your NEXT BSO.

> x1134x chime's in with:
>
> "If you're into getting outdoors on serious trails, and are planning on
> dropping big bucks on a BICYCLE, have you considered that you could buy
> a dirt bike with that money? A bike that has a MOTOR on it? A bike that
> would blow the most expensive of mountain bikes off the road like a
> dried leaf? IMHO its more fun. . . .
>
> I think the majority of the 19 million bicycle buying americans agree
> with me.
>
Well, the fact that McDonald's has sold a gazillion burger shaped objects
doesn't make them fine cuisine. If people ask questions about buying a
mountain bike, in a mountain biking group, they are not looking for dirt
bike info. Of the 6 people I ride with most often, 3 are former dirt bike
owners and one still rides moto as well as pedals. They all know the
economics and the fun factor for both machines, and have been quite happy to
invest in good bicycles. A small sample, but real data compared to your
telepathic survey of the 19 million!

Dave D

 

[x1134x]

>> My asserstion is NOT that bicycle enthusiasts are being tricked, it is
>> that bicycle NEOPHYTES are being tricked.


>Actually you did make that assertion, "i also bought a 640 dollar GT bike
>from him. the "NEXT"
>brand bike we bought two years ago is everybit as good. They make them
>for relatively the same price, Gary just makes alot more profit by
>fooling you into thinking your bike is a mercedes .... I just want to
>put down on this forum that in the opinion of someone who bikes alot
>(admittedly more honda than pedaling) they are the same if you have
>any amount of mechanical inclination."

Somehow in that quote you missed showing how I made the assertion that
bicycle enthusiasts were being tricked. Funny, in that snippet of my
rantings, I never even mention bicycle enthusiasts being tricked. Did
you just drop acid?


><snip sales data of bicycle shaped objects>

Funny how the meat and cheese of my arguement (THE FACTS) seem to get
snipped out! But my opinions, which I state are MY OPINIONS, are
browbeated to death.

>> If they are going to ride it for serious MOUNTAIN BIKING, then walmart
>> bikes are not up to the task due to the increased stresses placed on
>> the bike in these condiditons, and the bike manufacturer's even warn
>> you of this. You will need to purchase a "high-end specialty bicycle".
>> And since they've gotten to this part of the purchasing question,

>I see you have learned to back pedal on your NEXT BSO.

I never said NEXT "BSO's" were suitable for hardcore mountain biking,
just that they were adequate for MOST peoples needs/desires from a
bicycle.

>Well, the fact that McDonald's has sold a gazillion burger shaped objects
>doesn't make them fine cuisine.

True but just because one person gets sick at jack in the box doesn't
mean we would recommend that no one ever go to jack in the box, they
sell millions of burgers, and a few come up bad. We all know someone
who got food poisoning from a fast food restraunt but we still go
there. . . .

>people ask questions about buying a mountain bike, in a mountain biking group, they are not looking for dirt
>bike info.

And I'm not handing out dirt bike info, just bicycle purchasing info!
I'm showing them a SIMILAR option at a SIMILAR price. I'm sure x out
of 10 people would appreciate being notified that a dirtbike can be
purchased for the price of a high-end specialty bicycle. And I'm sure x
does not equal zero.

>Of the 6 people I ride with most often, 3 are former dirt bike
>owners and one still rides moto as well as pedals. They all know the
>economics and the fun factor for both machines, and have been quite happy to
>invest in good bicycles. A small sample, but real data compared to your
>telepathic survey of the 19 million!

Telepathic? so now I made up my own NEWS WEBSITE, and did fake
interviews with the heads of bicycle companies! Sorry Dave but that
link is to a NEWS website all quotes were copy/pasted, and those
figures are FACTS (better put a "snip" there) produced by the companies
for the stockholders. The MAJORITY of the 19 million bicycles sold in
the U.S. were WALGOOSES whether Dave Dowler belives it or not.

 

[MattB]

x1134x wrote:
> The majority of this forum should be posters who ride wal-mart or kmart
> bikes, because the majority of people who buy mountain bikes buy them
> from those stores. Perhaps you should rename this group to
> alt.snotty-mountainbikers.
> or
>
> alt.don'tposthereunlessyoupaidtoomuchforyourbike.
>
> or alt.ifenginesSCAREyou.rideabicycle
>
> or judging from the gas-related threads here:
> alt.cantaffordagallonof.gas
>

Yeah sure, if it would work (and I could do it).

How's this: You win. I assure you I'll go buy a shitty bike and really
expensive petro toys because you've change my mind. I'll be sure to
gloat about them (and tell everyone who may not understand just how
costly they were) and how they are "better" than bikes. I'll feel so
superior! You work here is done. Now move on to find other lost souls to
show them how silly they are bing with all that human-powered stuff.

Matt

 

[Chris Phillipo]

There's a reason the bikes are sold in the TOY dept. and not the
SPORTING GOODS dept. You can buy a reasonably nice set of golf clubs at
Walmart in the sporting goods dept. You can also buy a plastic set for
your kids in the toy dept. Walmart bicycles are that plastic set of
golf clubs.