What a sight!

Alan Braggins said:

Mark Thompson said:

Quoted message said:

Who's PS?

He's a full time road safety campaigner, which I think basically means he's
scrounging off the state. His site wwwdotsafespeeddotorg tries to present
itself as reminding drivers that the speed limit is not necessarily a safe
limit, and one must often go slower; and that speed cameras are evil.

In reality, his agenda is to get speed cameras removed and speed limits
relaxed, so that he can drive around at the "safe speed" of whatever he
feels is "safe".

He is notorious here after unsuccessfully arguing that reducing speed
limits to 12mph wouldn't make any difference to KSIs.

Be fair, that should be "after unsuccessfully arguing that reducing speed
limits to 12mph wouldn't make any difference to KSIs in a hypothetical
situation he said bore no relation reality, making you wonder why he'd
bothered". (He claimed that if you dropped the speed limit to 12mph _and
drivers then no longer ever used their brakes in accidents_ the KSI would
be the same as it is now.)

He also tried to argue - seriously - that driving faster was better cos
it meant you would be on the road for less time and therefore have less
chance of running into a hazard. He is a prize [censored] of the highest order.

James

On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 07:23:29 +0900 someone who may be James Annan
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

He also tried to argue - seriously - that driving faster was better cos
it meant you would be on the road for less time and therefore have less
chance of running into a hazard. He is a prize [censored] of the highest order.

Did he not also argue that people would have passed the dangerous
situation before it became dangerous?

--
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I will always explain revoked keys, unless the UK government
prevents me by using the RIP Act 2000.

Bryan said:

IIRC from reading it yesterday it was a Subaru Impretza, strang for one
of those to be limited to 107moh :-)

Good to see Cyclingforums managing to thread posts as well as ever.
Bryan: If you can, get yourself a newsreader and server (Google previous
posts on the subject) and ditch the "forum". ;-)

Jon

Tony Raven said:

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Quoted message said:

Lost the password to my webserver, I'm afraid. But something should
appear here soon enough:

http://ambrosenankivell4417.fotopic.net/c436515.html

Are you the hairy coconut on the bottom right?

If I had any decent ones of me on a bike, they'd have gone up, but as I
didn't I had to make do. I seem to have lots of me swimming though, so that
one was the one.

That account of your trip up High Street had excellent pictures, though.
I've got an SLR to mend and once that's done, the next big trip I take I'll
have it with me and take inspiration.

A

In article said:

Alan Braggins said:

Mark Thompson said:

>Who's PS?

He's a full time road safety campaigner, which I think basically means he's
scrounging off the state. His site wwwdotsafespeeddotorg tries to present
itself as reminding drivers that the speed limit is not necessarily a safe
limit, and one must often go slower; and that speed cameras are evil.

In reality, his agenda is to get speed cameras removed and speed limits
relaxed, so that he can drive around at the "safe speed" of whatever he
feels is "safe".

He is notorious here after unsuccessfully arguing that reducing speed
limits to 12mph wouldn't make any difference to KSIs.

Be fair, that should be "after unsuccessfully arguing that reducing speed
limits to 12mph wouldn't make any difference to KSIs in a hypothetical
situation he said bore no relation reality, making you wonder why he'd
bothered". (He claimed that if you dropped the speed limit to 12mph _and
drivers then no longer ever used their brakes in accidents_ the KSI would
be the same as it is now.)

He also tried to argue - seriously - that driving faster was better cos
it meant you would be on the road for less time and therefore have less
chance of running into a hazard.

And that driving faster made you pay more attention, wasn't it?

Quoted message said:

He is a prize [censored] of the highest order.

Absolutely. "Be fair" wasn't entirely serious, hence the "making you
wonder why he'd bothered" (and he was still wrong as well as being
irrelevent even if he had been right).

On 17 Feb 2005 20:17:12 GMT, Mark Thompson
<[email hidden]> wrote in message
<[email hidden]>:

Who is Smith:

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Documents/mini-faq-psmith

Quoted message said:

He is notorious here after unsuccessfully arguing that reducing speed
limits to 12mph wouldn't make any difference to KSIs.

http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk/web/public.nsf/Documents/son_of_12mph

Quoted message said:

He also thinks that automated enforcement of speed limits is bad in part
because drivers spend to much time concentrating on the speedometer.

Evidence suggests that drivers need no speedometers to distract them
from the task in hand. Interestingly, only the speedometer is singled
out as a distraction - presumably Smith's car doesn't have mirrors,
in-car entertainment or any other instruments.

I noted also the link elsewhere in the thread:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bristol/4254623.stm - it has a box
for iCan: "Speed cameras - Information and contacts to help you take
action". Somehow I doubt that "take action" in this case involves
slowing down...

Guy
--
"then came ye chavves, theyre cartes girded wyth candels
blue, and theyre beastes wyth straynge horn-lyke thyngs
onn theyre arses that theyre fartes be herde from myles
around." Chaucer, the Sheppey Tales

Alan Braggins said:

Quoted message said:

He also tried to argue - seriously - that driving faster was better cos
it meant you would be on the road for less time and therefore have less
chance of running into a hazard.

And that driving faster made you pay more attention, wasn't it?

A latest outburst has him say that 'it scares the hell out of him' that
nearly 70% of drivers are now more aware of speed limits than they were
two years ago (a survey carried out in Hampshire & IOW in Sept/Oct 2004).
Apparently according to Sm*thLaw they now have less attention for the
road ahead.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

He is a prize [censored] of the highest order.

Absolutely.

I won't comment as I'll be threatened with a libel action ;-)

John B

James Annan said:

He also tried to argue - seriously - that driving faster was better cos
it meant you would be on the road for less time and therefore have less
chance of running into a hazard. He is a prize [censored] of the highest order.

I agree that the logic is flawed here, but it is strangely consistent
with the view that when comparing casualties of cyclists with
casualties of motorists, the 'per hour exposure' rate is more
appropriate than the 'per mile travelled'.

in message <[email hidden]>, Ambrose Nankivell

(') said:

Tony Raven said:

Ambrose Nankivell said:

Tony Raven wrote:
> JohnB wrote:
>> http://www.vcventa.org.uk/dontclick.html
>>
>> Nature added three wheels to me.
>>
>> Now where's your pic Tony?
>
> An equally revealing
> http://www.cycling.raven-family.com/images/P4030056_JPG.jpg

Those are the ugliest hands I've ever seen.

Come on then, Nankivell jpegs please.

Lost the password to my webserver, I'm afraid. But something should
appear here soon enough:

http://ambrosenankivell4417.fotopic.net/c436515.html

You're not supposed to try fording when it's that deep. It isn't good
for the bottom-bracket bearing.

--
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I shall continue to be an impossible person so long as those
who are now possible remain possible -- Michael Bakunin

Simon Brooke said:

in message <[email hidden]>, Ambrose Nankivell

(') said:

Tony Raven said:

Ambrose Nankivell wrote:
> Tony Raven wrote:
>> JohnB wrote:
>>> http://www.vcventa.org.uk/dontclick.html
>>>
>>> Nature added three wheels to me.
>>>
>>> Now where's your pic Tony?
>>
>> An equally revealing
>> http://www.cycling.raven-family.com/images/P4030056_JPG.jpg
>
> Those are the ugliest hands I've ever seen.
>
Come on then, Nankivell jpegs please.

Lost the password to my webserver, I'm afraid. But something should
appear here soon enough:

http://ambrosenankivell4417.fotopic.net/c436515.html

You're not supposed to try fording when it's that deep. It isn't good
for the bottom-bracket bearing.

I've done it on other people's bikes, and even spectated while a friend did
it in the sea.

A

Jon Senior jon_AT_restlesslemon_DOT_co_DOT_uk said:

Bryan said:

IIRC from reading it yesterday it was a Subaru Impretza, strang for one
of those to be limited to 107moh :-)

Good to see Cyclingforums managing to thread posts as well as ever.
Bryan: If you can, get yourself a newsreader and server (Google previous
posts on the subject) and ditch the "forum". ;-)

Jon

Threads perfectly well for me.

--
Chris

Monkey Hanger said:

Threads perfectly well for me.

It was a followup to my (OT rambling) post about the etymology of
"scot-free". It is at least in the correct thread and not appearing as a
new post, but not really threaded very well.

Jon