Weight training?

Janithor said:

Right, and the very fast guys are going to be faster than me no matter
how many miles I put behind me. Therefore, don't run?

Put it this way -- if your goal is "self defense", I don't recommend running.

Running will help you become a better runner. But it won't help you become a
better weightlifter, fighter, chess player or whatever.

Quoted message said:

It's simple bro: I want to lift to get stronger. That's it! Simple.

Then why all this nonsense about "toning" and "self defense" ?

If you want to get stronger, lifting will indeed help. But it won't help your
running, it won't make you more "toned" and it will not help you a whole lot
if you're faced with a potential assailant.

Quoted message said:

Not nearly as complex as you're making it.

No, you were the one who brought up the other stuff (toning and fighting). Not
me. Not anyone else.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

TenKBabe said:

Quoted message said:

Yeah, I tend to do that, especially when I'm running fast. nervous twitch in
my fingers or something, I just don't feel that comfortable with my hands
cupped all the time.

To me, it just looks like you're not relaxed. I try to keep a relaxed
upper body, even the hands. Anyone else, such as a coach or team
members, say anything about it?

Yeah, I agree that it doesn't look relaxed. Other people have noticed and
commented. Doesn't seem to have caused me much trouble, apart from the
occasional accusation of being some kind of gangster ;-)

What's actually going on is that I don't always like to have my hands cupped,
so my fingers sort of straighten and bend a bit because of my arm motion. I
don't have any problems with my arms getting tired or anything, my upper body
feels quite relaxed.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Donovan Rebbechi said:

Janithor said:

Right, and the very fast guys are going to be faster than me no matter
how many miles I put behind me. Therefore, don't run?

Put it this way -- if your goal is "self defense", I don't recommend running.

Running will help you become a better runner. But it won't help you become a
better weightlifter, fighter, chess player or whatever.

Quoted message said:

It's simple bro: I want to lift to get stronger. That's it! Simple.

Then why all this nonsense about "toning" and "self defense" ?

If you want to get stronger, lifting will indeed help. But it won't help your
running, it won't make you more "toned" and it will not help you a whole lot
if you're faced with a potential assailant.

Quoted message said:

Not nearly as complex as you're making it.

No, you were the one who brought up the other stuff (toning and fighting). Not
me. Not anyone else.

Cheers,

Well, when you start out a reply by being insulting, it kind of puts
someone on the defensive. Imagine that. But hey, cheers.

Quoted message said:

Well, when you start out a reply by being insulting, it kind of puts someone on the defensive.

___

Janithor, I would like to apologzie to you. When Donovan contested
your declaration of not having "an ounce of fat on your legs".....you
replied saying,

"I was speaking casually, not formally. I didn't mean metaphysically
absolute 0% fat."

It takes a big man to back-peddle and though you are only 5'8" which is
not big, you are 183 .lb which suggest you indeed are. I'm only 5'9"
so I am not big either...but I digress. I'd like to publicly apologize
to you formally, not casually.

I meant not to insult you, the Navy Seals, the Rangers, the Power
Rangers, or any baby seals. Actually I'm very concerned for your
safety as you've told us all how you were attacked last week but
managed to escape...all due to the valuable "keys" you hold. Amazing
how the attackers knew you held the key...to the keys (and I am
speaking metaphysically and physically). But like a baby seal, you are
I am sure as you described yourself, a "target".

Were those attackers negroes? Ya gotta watch those people...when
they're not sun bathing on top of roofs in NahLins.......their
attacking 5'8" 183 .lb guys with invaluable keys! ......(somehow they
recognize the obvious target you are).....Ah..but again, I digress.

Be Safe, Be Well, and I say that once again, metaphysically.

Quoted message said:

Be Safe, Be Well, and I say that once again, metaphysically.

I´ll say this only once (and we can forget that I ever said it) but I
just have to say it now: Lance, there are times when I really, really
love you!

Anders

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Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Well, when you start out a reply by being insulting, it kind of puts someone on the defensive.

___

Janithor, I would like to apologzie to you. When Donovan contested
your declaration of not having "an ounce of fat on your legs".....you
replied saying,

"I was speaking casually, not formally. I didn't mean metaphysically
absolute 0% fat."

It takes a big man to back-peddle and though you are only 5'8" which is
not big, you are 183 .lb which suggest you indeed are. I'm only 5'9"
so I am not big either...but I digress. I'd like to publicly apologize
to you formally, not casually.

I meant not to insult you, the Navy Seals, the Rangers, the Power
Rangers, or any baby seals. Actually I'm very concerned for your
safety as you've told us all how you were attacked last week but
managed to escape...all due to the valuable "keys" you hold. Amazing
how the attackers knew you held the key...to the keys (and I am
speaking metaphysically and physically). But like a baby seal, you are
I am sure as you described yourself, a "target".

Were those attackers negroes? Ya gotta watch those people...when
they're not sun bathing on top of roofs in NahLins.......their
attacking 5'8" 183 .lb guys with invaluable keys! ......(somehow they
recognize the obvious target you are).....Ah..but again, I digress.

Be Safe, Be Well, and I say that once again, metaphysically.

A racist too. Nice.

Well, adios folks, enjoy.

Janithor said:

A racist too. Nice.

That's really funny. Hint: look up Lance's picture some time.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Quoted message said:

Were those attackers negroes?

Is this some bait?

< Ya gotta watch those people...when

Quoted message said:

they're not sun bathing on top of roofs in NahLins.......their
attacking 5'8" 183 .lb guys with invaluable keys! ......(somehow they
recognize the obvious target you are).....Ah..but again, I digress.

How do "negroes" have time to attack people when there always running
down the street with a boom box under one arm and hubcaps in the other.
Let's complete the term with some old fashioned stereotypes. 😉

-Doug

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Janithor said:

A racist too. Nice.

That's really funny. Hint: look up Lance's picture some time.

You heard it here our Lance is a black, oops, negro racist. 🙂 🙂 This
reminds me a sig file that I have seen in one of the other forums I
read. Something like " My mother always called me a son-of-[censored] but
never saw the irony."

-Doug

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Running will help you become a better runner. But it won't help you become a
better weightlifter, fighter, chess player or whatever.

Another brainfart from the loser. Running helps me in my everyday
living, all day, by clearing your mind. It helps in chess, fighting,
and "whatever".
TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

anders said:

I=B4ll

Is your keyboard F'ed up?
TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Donovan Rebbechi said:

Hint: look up Lance's picture some time.

Oh no, he's not a COON is he?
TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

On Fri, 23 Sep 2005 10:50:17 GMT, "Doug Freese" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

This
reminds me a sig file that I have seen in one of the other forums

What's a little zit like you doing on MFW? That's for us big boys.
TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

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Quoted message said:

Were those attackers negroes?

Is this some bait?

You know how Carl Sagan said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" ?

Well, he was wrong (-;

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

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Quoted message said:

Take self-defense or similar.

Yeah, I'd like to. Again, I think strength would also help, not just
knowing technique. I mean, come on, a 5'5" female black belt against a
6'2" hulking bruiser with no training - she's going to be have to be
awfully damn good and get some perfect shots to take him down. He can
take her down through brute strength.

Most of self-defense relies on speed and the goal of incapacitating the
attacker, I believe. So when "she" kicks you in the nads and elbows you in
your soft belly or face, it won't matter if you're standing or on the
ground. Self-defense is about escape, not a 10-count pin.

Quoted message said:

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So, you're saying that if I gain muscle mass in my upper body, this would
be at the expense of speed when I run?

Yep.

Again, that's my ultimate goal, to hit both targets, not necessarily to
peak at either. Although I think I'm at the sweet spot in the beginning
right now where I'm showing big improvements, so I think where I'm at
right now, I can improve on both. Someone like you who is near his peak
and has been running for a long time, I would think that this tradeoff
would be more pronounced?

If you're a naturally stocky person, I think the weight training must be
done carefully to not add bulk. Having extra body mass will slow you down
significantly.

Dave

Quoted message said:

Were those attackers negroes? Ya gotta watch those people...

I'll say!

Running here in Brooklyn, which even Finns and St. Petersburgers
realize - from the ubiquitous MTV - is home to ever so many of these
darker folk, I have:

- been looked at
- had young ladies leer at, and make appreciative/suggestive comments
to, my topless, splits-wearing self each of the last couple days
- endured obvious attempts to scare me out of the borough via
medium-loud calypso music emanating from Flatbush Ave stores

Indeed, one must always be on one's guard when amongst these people.

Do you suppose I should lift weights... or get a perm and work on my
tan?

See you on 5th Ave Saturday, right?

Charlie Pendejo said:

Quoted message said:

Were those attackers negroes? Ya gotta watch those people...

I'll say!

Running here in Brooklyn, which even Finns and St. Petersburgers
realize - from the ubiquitous MTV - is home to ever so many of these
darker folk, I have:

- been looked at
- had young ladies leer at, and make appreciative/suggestive comments
to, my topless, splits-wearing self each of the last couple days
- endured obvious attempts to scare me out of the borough via
medium-loud calypso music emanating from Flatbush Ave stores

Indeed, one must always be on one's guard when amongst these people.

Do you suppose I should lift weights... or get a perm and work on my
tan?

See you on 5th Ave Saturday, right?

I'm going to be there.

Gotta go now ... and work on the tan (-;

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

On 23 Sep 2005 06:47:11 -0700, "Charlie Pendejo" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'll say!

Running here in Brooklyn, which even Finns and St. Petersburgers
realize - from the ubiquitous MTV - is home to ever so many of these
darker folk, I have:

- been looked at
- had young ladies leer at, and make appreciative/suggestive comments
to, my topless, splits-wearing self each of the last couple days
- endured obvious attempts to scare me out of the borough via
medium-loud calypso music emanating from Flatbush Ave stores

Indeed, one must always be on one's guard when amongst these people.

Do you suppose I should lift weights... or get a perm and work on my
tan?

See you on 5th Ave Saturday, right?

You forgot how they threw you down, and butt f'ed you. Of course, you
keep going back for more...
TBR

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and
more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day
the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the
White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)
"Anyone with degrees from Yale and Harvard is presumed to be intelligent,
but George W. Bush has managed to overcome that presumption."

Quoted message said:

See you on 5th Ave Saturday, right?

'sho nuff. in fact i'm trying to sort out strategy for this 1 mile
race....but how to run?....i don't know if i should go with the "bat
out of hell" approach or the "i gotta pee"plan. Goal is to go sub 5:10
which would get me in the 77% AG range & mid teens placement within my
AG.

i am going to "sell out" though....and with awareness try to run like
Michael Johnson (yeah right)....in style...meaning upright with
minimal lean forward and weight balanced under my toso but more
so...constantly having a toe/ball on the ground propelling creating the
"windmill" with my lower body. I think i can maintain this at a
constant speed for 4:30...

i've not trained or prep'ed of this race at all. but i have been
finishing my daily runs with a sprint in this style...however last 200
meters?...i i will lean forward and traditionally sprint.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

See you on 5th Ave Saturday, right?

'sho nuff. in fact i'm trying to sort out strategy for this 1 mile
race....but how to run?....i don't know if i should go with the "bat
out of hell" approach or the "i gotta pee"plan.

Don't worry about trying to go fast at the start. If you stand in the first
or second row, you will get out quicker than you expect. Don't *try* to hammer
it, you will go out pretty fast anyway.

If you hit the first quarter in about 75-78 and you're in good shape.

Adjust appropriately in the second quarter -- if you went out way too hard in
the first, then adjust slightly. If you are about right, then push the pace,
and don't get dropped. Hopefully, you hit the half in about 2:35.

Look to pass people who are slowing down in Q3, and when you're about 300m
out, suck it up give it all you've got. If you pass someone, don't look over
your shoulder -- just run away from them like you're running for your life.
Good luck.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/