Weighst or rowing machine?

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see, rowing machines are expensive to get your money
as was said before what are your goals.It is important to know what
you want,if you want to get stronger or get toned and cut/defined
you should get a bench,but if you want to lose weight you should
go to www.bodybuilding.com .

Does someone from that forum actually pay these morons to recruit
readers from MFW? Or maybe they just give them free samples of
Superandrotestobolin Xtreeeem.

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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:50:53 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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> see, rowing machines are expensive to get your money
> as was said before what are your goals.It is important to know what
> you want,if you want to get stronger or get toned and cut/defined
> you should get a bench,but if you want to lose weight you should
> go to www.bodybuilding.com .
>
> P.S.
> DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY ON A ROWING MACHINE
>

DON'T TAKE FITNESS ADVICE FROM TROLLS!!

DON'T TAKE ADVICE FROM LATHE OPERATORS!!
Lee, you are dumber than a box of rocks. I've always thought that you
knew
[censored] about training and you are proving me right every time you post some
inane [censored]

Talking about Lee, which we isn't, do you think he has a full hod of
bricks?

If he gives you the [censored] why don't you threaten to allegedly
"killfile" him, that will frighten the [censored] out of him!

The thing is I do have him killfiled - (just occasionally I have a little
'peep' and then he goes straight back in the bozo bin!)

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I'm wanting to buy some exercise equip that is not
massive and is easy to move and somewhat compact.

I live alone and always try to buy things that I can
move by myself

having said that I realize I could get a decent bench
and set of Powerbells and that would be fairly space
efficient

My other option is to get a Concept rowing machine and
maybe it will provide all the exercise I need

any thoughts on weights vs a rowing machine?

The Concept II is an awesome rowing machine that will essentially last
forever. The company provides first rate support and rowing is an excellent
exercise. The newer model can fold up out of the way. But I would get some
weights as well, which are practically free if you keep an eye out for
deals.

Lee Michaels said:

DON'T TAKE FITNESS ADVICE FROM TROLLS!!

OR from homeless people like Michaels.

On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 10:25:11 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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On Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:50:53 +1000, "David" <[email hidden]>

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"Lee Michaels" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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>> see, rowing machines are expensive to get your money
>> as was said before what are your goals.It is important to know what
>> you want,if you want to get stronger or get toned and cut/defined
>> you should get a bench,but if you want to lose weight you should
>> go to www.bodybuilding.com .
>>
>> P.S.
>> DON'T WASTE YOUR MONEY ON A ROWING MACHINE
>>
>
> DON'T TAKE FITNESS ADVICE FROM TROLLS!!
>
>
DON'T TAKE ADVICE FROM LATHE OPERATORS!!
Lee, you are dumber than a box of rocks. I've always thought that you
knew
[censored] about training and you are proving me right every time you post some
inane [censored]

Talking about Lee, which we isn't, do you think he has a full hod of
bricks?

If he gives you the [censored] why don't you threaten to allegedly
"killfile" him, that will frighten the [censored] out of him!

The thing is I do have him killfiled - (just occasionally I have a little
'peep' and then he goes straight back in the bozo bin!)

Good tactic, that will confuse the silly old [censored], he doesn't like
the "bozo bin"! ;o)

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The Concept II is an awesome rowing machine that will essentially last
forever. The company provides first rate support and rowing is an excellent
exercise. The newer model can fold up out of the way. But I would get some
weights as well, which are practically free if you keep an eye out for
deals.

Point taken

Thanks!

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I think you would be hard pressed to find exercise equipment that
takes up less space and is even marginally effective. Free weights
are far more than simply marginally effective.

OK

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It looks like the heaviest set of powerblocks that you can get is 130
lbs. per hand. I would consider that "easy to move," but then again,
I lift heavy stuff for fun 🙂. If you can't move 130 lbs by yourself
after using the powerblocks for a while then you probably need to try
something else.

Well even with the Powerblocks I could take the plates
apart and move them individually if needed, correct?

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Personally, if I feel like hamstering for distance, I just go outside
and either run or walk. If I am pressed for time, I do stairs, or I
do Tabata Front squats.

God point. My only concern would be on days its bad
weather outside such as raining or sleeting

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Cheaper is better, assuming that you don't break the bike. I have
heard that the Concept2 rowers hold up pretty well under use.

Well Consumer Reports just did a review on recumbent
exer bikes and the Schwinn model got high ratings at
low cost. I "think" is uses magnetic resistance and
was priced abt $400 if I remember correct

Bottom line tho.... sounds like dumbbells are a must
have whether they be Powerblocks or Oly bells

Any advice on a bench? Or should I just forget abt a
bench for now and make sure I'm gonna use the bells?

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I'm wanting to buy some exercise equip that is not
massive and is easy to move and somewhat compact.

I live alone and always try to buy things that I can
move by myself

having said that I realize I could get a decent bench
and set of Powerbells and that would be fairly space
efficient

My other option is to get a Concept rowing machine and
maybe it will provide all the exercise I need

any thoughts on weights vs a rowing machine?

I know its a bit like comparing apples to oranges but
Id appreciate some opinions anyway!

I suggest you join a gym for at least a few months so that you can try
out a variety of exercise equipment and see what works best for you. A
good gym will have all the options you're considering and more, and gym
memberships are sometimes pretty inexpensive, e.g., to use the Y in my
town including rowers, free weights, the pool, etc., is $32 per month.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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I think you would be hard pressed to find exercise equipment that
takes up less space and is even marginally effective. Free weights
are far more than simply marginally effective.

OK

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It looks like the heaviest set of powerblocks that you can get is
130 lbs. per hand. I would consider that "easy to move," but then
again, I lift heavy stuff for fun 🙂. If you can't move 130 lbs by
yourself after using the powerblocks for a while then you probably
need to try something else.

Well even with the Powerblocks I could take the plates apart and
move them individually if needed, correct?

It looks that way.

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Personally, if I feel like hamstering for distance, I just go
outside and either run or walk. If I am pressed for time, I do
stairs, or I do Tabata Front squats.

Good point. My only concern would be on days its bad weather
outside such as raining or sleeting

Sometimes it is possible to be too cheap 🙂. I know lots of people
that exercise while they watch their morning news, or whatever. If
your goal is to just get your heart rate up on a consistent basis it's
probably better to get some sort of machine.

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Cheaper is better, assuming that you don't break the bike. I have
heard that the Concept2 rowers hold up pretty well under use.

Well Consumer Reports just did a review on recumbent
exer bikes and the Schwinn model got high ratings at
low cost. I "think" is uses magnetic resistance and
was priced abt $400 if I remember correct

My father actually has one of these, and so far it has held up well.

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Bottom line tho.... sounds like dumbbells are a must
have whether they be Powerblocks or Oly bells

Strength training really is key. You need something heavy to lift. I
personally go for barbells, but when I started I used nothing but some
cheap standard dumbbell handles I got from WalMart.

It doesn't really matter that much what you use, as long as it's
heavy. I have a buddy that swears by his homemade sandbags, and
kettlebells are also very popular.

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Any advice on a bench? Or should I just forget abt a
bench for now and make sure I'm gonna use the bells?

I bought a cheap bench and quickly outgrew it. Fortunately, by then I
had most shifted to wanting to be able to lift stuff over my head 🙂.

Jason

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Quoted message said:

I'm wanting to buy some exercise equip that is not
massive and is easy to move and somewhat compact.

I live alone and always try to buy things that I can
move by myself

having said that I realize I could get a decent bench
and set of Powerbells and that would be fairly space
efficient

My other option is to get a Concept rowing machine and
maybe it will provide all the exercise I need

any thoughts on weights vs a rowing machine?

I know its a bit like comparing apples to oranges but
Id appreciate some opinions anyway!

I suggest you join a gym for at least a few months so that you can
try out a variety of exercise equipment and see what works best for
you. A good gym will have all the options you're considering and
more, and gym memberships are sometimes pretty inexpensive, e.g., to
use the Y in my town including rowers, free weights, the pool, etc.,
is $32 per month.

The problem with joining a gym to test equipment is that gym equipment
is generally considerably more expensive than the equipment you are
likely to purchase for your home. For example, I guarantee you that
none of the exercise bikes at your local gym are $400 Schwinn models.

The reality of the situation is that there are huge benefits to being
able to work out at home. I have a membership to the community rec
center less than two blocks from my house. Because I signed up as
part of a business my annual fee cost me less than $90 for my entire
family. I can walk there in less than 10 minutes.

However, I found that I was far more consistent when I only needed to
go down into my basement to work out. Sure, my equipment at home
isn't nearly as nice, but I actually *use* it. All going to the gym
did for me was make me wish I was willing to spend more for fancier
stuff 🙂.

Jason

Steve Freides said:

I suggest you join a gym for at least a few months so that you can try
out a variety of exercise equipment and see what works best for you.

Not enough time to use the gym

Want to do this on a one hr lunch break at home

start with pushups dude

check it out
http://www.trulyhuge.com/Navy_Seal_Workout.htm

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Jason Earl said:

Dumb bells are about the most versatile piece of exercise equipment
ever invented.

OK.... I'm sold

I mean they are compact and don't need to take a lot of space,
correct?

I think you would be hard pressed to find exercise equipment that
takes up less space and is even marginally effective. Free weights
are far more than simply marginally effective.

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I could easily move them myself from one apartment to another
without any help, correct?

It looks like the heaviest set of powerblocks that you can get is 130
lbs. per hand. I would consider that "easy to move," but then again,
I lift heavy stuff for fun 🙂. If you can't move 130 lbs by yourself
after using the powerblocks for a while then you probably need to try
something else.

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I'm looking at something like Powerblocks.... that OK

I am a cheapskate. You can buy Olympic dumbbell handles an Oly
barbell and Oly plates for far less, and you'll get a more functional
package. Dumbbells are nice, but it won't be long before you are able
to move more than 130 lbs in some of the really important movements
like the deadlift or the squat. Getting Oly dumbbells complements an
Oly barbell and weights without adding much to the cost. Besides,
power cleans are fun.

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My main concern is what to get for indoor cardio. I'm
thinking either a recumbent exer bike or the Concept
Rower.

Personally, if I feel like hamstering for distance, I just go outside
and either run or walk. If I am pressed for time, I do stairs, or I
do Tabata Front squats.

http://www.t-nation.com/findArticle.do?article=04-046-training

Recumbent bikes are sort of nice if you like to spend some calories
while reading or watching TV though. That's not my thing, but some
people really like them.

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I'm leaning towards the recumbent exer bike as its cheaper

Cheaper is better, assuming that you don't break the bike. I have
heard that the Concept2 rowers hold up pretty well under use.

They hold up very well with some minor maintenance. Not cheap, but worth
putting some money into. One thing I like about the rower is I can still
hear most of the dialogue on TV without blasting it through the house. Only
drawback is that I'm not sure it's as well suited to really long sessions as
a treadmill or bike is.

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I can tell you this, a good rowing machine will flat out kick your ass
if you put enough effort into it. I get a much better cardio work out
with my rower than I do at the gym on an expensive treadmill.

How would you compare a Concept to say a recumbent exer
bike?

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I can tell you this, a good rowing machine will flat out kick your ass
if you put enough effort into it. I get a much better cardio work out
with my rower than I do at the gym on an expensive treadmill.

How would you compare a Concept to say a recumbent exer
bike?

Are you guys aware that there's a newsgroup called
misc.fitness.aerobic?

I can tell you this, a good rowing machine will flat out kick your ass

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if you put enough effort into it. I get a much better cardio work out
with my rower than I do at the gym on an expensive treadmill.

Amen shalom MF

On 27 Feb 2006 14:08:16 -0800, "allbpen" <[email hidden]>

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I can tell you this, a good rowing machine will flat out kick your ass

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if you put enough effort into it. I get a much better cardio work out
with my rower than I do at the gym on an expensive treadmill.

Amen shalom MF

Well DUHHHHHHHHH! ANY machine will give you a good WO if you put the
effort in.
Honest to gawd, you peons are so stupid, you bearly deserve the
attention of me, the GREAT John Hanson.

JH

JMW said:

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Quoted message said:

I can tell you this, a good rowing machine will flat out kick your ass
if you put enough effort into it. I get a much better cardio work out
with my rower than I do at the gym on an expensive treadmill.

How would you compare a Concept to say a recumbent exer
bike?

Are you guys aware that there's a newsgroup called
misc.fitness.aerobic?

What, you want to run off people talking about fitness?

BTW, I'd get the rowing machine over the recumbant bike any day.

Dally

Dally said:

JMW said:

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>I can tell you this, a good rowing machine will flat out kick your ass
>if you put enough effort into it. I get a much better cardio work out
>with my rower than I do at the gym on an expensive treadmill.

How would you compare a Concept to say a recumbent exer
bike?

Are you guys aware that there's a newsgroup called
misc.fitness.aerobic?

What, you want to run off people talking about fitness?

Oh, stop your [censored]. There's a reason that misc.fitness split into
MFW and MFA ten years ago. Asking these questions here is like asking
the MFA cardio bunnies about serious weight training. The trick is to
ask the right questions in the right place.

That said, I've been reading this thread since the beginning. It's
just another version of the standard Blowflex question. He's really
enamored with the Concept machine, and he really wants someone to tell
him to buy it. And if he waits long enough, there will always be a
n00b who will tell him to get it because "it's as good as the weights,
dude."

JMW said:

Dally said:

JMW said:

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>[email hidden] wrote:
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>>I can tell you this, a good rowing machine will flat out kick your ass
>>if you put enough effort into it. I get a much better cardio work out
>>with my rower than I do at the gym on an expensive treadmill.
>
>How would you compare a Concept to say a recumbent exer
>bike?

Are you guys aware that there's a newsgroup called
misc.fitness.aerobic?

What, you want to run off people talking about fitness?

Oh, stop your [censored]. There's a reason that misc.fitness split into
MFW and MFA ten years ago. Asking these questions here is like asking
the MFA cardio bunnies about serious weight training. The trick is to
ask the right questions in the right place.

That said, I've been reading this thread since the beginning. It's
just another version of the standard Blowflex question. He's really
enamored with the Concept machine, and he really wants someone to tell
him to buy it. And if he waits long enough, there will always be a
n00b who will tell him to get it because "it's as good as the weights,
dude."

So, as the unofficial self-appointed moderator and "Trollmeister", you
will now attempt to disbar people who do not measure up to the
exacting standards you require on all matters to do with Fitness and
Weights?

This will be in addition to those others that you want to exclude on
the grounds that you consider them to be "trolls" because they oppose
you.

Given that there is now largely only you, TBR and little old Lee
posting, with the occasional dribble from dopey Dally, it will be seen
that you are achieving your aim of taking complete control of this
newsgroup.

There is no doubt John Williams that you are a complete looney!

I just thought that you ought to know that!

HTH!