WAR, our national interest

Quoted message said:

"Of course the people don't want war. But, after all, it is the
leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag the people along. All you have to do is tell
them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

Hermann Goering, Nuremberg, 1947

... it could have been Orwell in "1984" who saw such things with
similar clarity.

!!!ORANGE ALERT!!!

This from a man who chastises people for posting RIDE REPORTS on
rec.bicycles.misc.

Troll.

It this off topic?

-n

Bill Sornson said:

This from a man who chastises people for posting RIDE REPORTS on
rec.bicycles.misc.

I think someone should chastise him... but until then... LETS KILL THE
WARMONGERS!!!! ARRRRGGG!!!!

Quoted message said:

"Of course the people don't want war. But, after all, it is the
leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag the people along. All you have to do is tell
them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

Hermann Goering, Nuremberg, 1947

... it could have been Orwell in "1984" who saw such things with
similar clarity.

!!!ORANGE ALERT!!!

Jobst Brandt

Dear Jobst,

Goering cheated the hangman on October 15th, 1946.

Carl Fogel

Carl Fogel said:

Quoted message said:

"Of course the people don't want war. But, after all, it is the
leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag the people along. All you have to do is tell
them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

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Hermann Goering, Nuremberg, 1947

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... it could have been Orwell in "1984" who saw such things with
similar clarity.

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!!!ORANGE ALERT!!!

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Goering cheated the hangman on October 15th, 1946.

OK, Sorry, I hit the wrong year but the quote is his.

# ...
# 1933 March 1, 1935 named Oberbefehlshaber der Luftwaffe (commander
# in chief of the Air Force)
# April 10, 1935 married Emmy Sonnemann (1893-1973) Appointed by
# [censored] as Plenipotentiary for the Implementation of the Four-Year
# Plan
# September 1, 1939 [censored] appointed him his first successor
# June 19, 1940 was made Reichsmarschall (Reich marshal)
# Began to lose favor with [censored] during the Battle of Britain because
# of the decreased effectiveness of the Luftwaffe (German Air Force)
# May 9, 1945 captured by U.S. troops
# Tried at the Nuremberg Trials
# Found guilty on all four counts: conspiracy to commit crimes alleged
# in other counts, crimes against peace, war crimes, and crimes
# against humanity
# October 15, 1946, two hours before his scheduled execution, he
# committed suicide by swallowing a cyanide capsule he smuggled into
# prison.

Jobst Brandt

See:

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

"Of course the people don't want war. But, after all, it is the
leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag the people along. All you have to do is tell
them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

Hermann Goering, Nuremberg, 1947

... it could have been Orwell in "1984" who saw such things with
similar clarity.

!!!ORANGE ALERT!!!

Hey, dumbshit:

This is techincal newsgroup related to bicycles. Take your off-topic
[censored] elsewhere - preferably where it is ON-TOPIC.

BTW, this violates your TOS. Report filed.

E.P.

Quoted message said:

Hey, dumbshit:

This is techincal newsgroup related to bicycles. Take your off-topic
[censored] elsewhere - preferably where it is ON-TOPIC.

BTW, this violates your TOS. Report filed.

Thank you... I feel much better now that justice has been served...

Ron Ruff said:

Thank you... I feel much better now that justice has been served...

Sarcasm is a wonderful thing.

E.P.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Of course the people don't want war. But, after all, it is the
leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag the people along. All you have to do is tell
them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

Hermann Goering, Nuremberg, 1947

... it could have been Orwell in "1984" who saw such things with
similar clarity.

!!!ORANGE ALERT!!!

Hey, dumbshit:

This is techincal newsgroup related to bicycles. Take your off-topic
[censored] elsewhere - preferably where it is ON-TOPIC.

BTW, this violates your TOS. Report filed.

How long've you been saving THAT one?!?

Nice...

<Quote snipped>
But where is your empirical proof? You base this just on the opinions
of supposed experts? Without rigorous, empirical testing, this is just
more superstitious blather.

I expected more of you, Jobst. What next? Are you going to start
putting flat-proof, aged, non-slick tubulars (because that's what 80%
of the pro's ride) on the low spoke count, low rotating mass wheels
(must be faster) on a 100% carbon fiber frame (it must ride better,
right)?

On 10 Aug 2005 21:55:49 -0700, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

"Of course the people don't want war. But, after all, it is the
leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a
simple matter to drag the people along. All you have to do is tell
them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of
patriotism and exposing the country to danger."

Hermann Goering, Nuremberg, 1947

... it could have been Orwell in "1984" who saw such things with
similar clarity.

!!!ORANGE ALERT!!!

Hey, dumbshit:

This is techincal newsgroup related to bicycles. Take your off-topic
[censored] elsewhere - preferably where it is ON-TOPIC.

BTW, this violates your TOS. Report filed.

Who did you report, moron? Did you report Jobst or did you report the guy who
spoofed him?

Ron

RonSonic said:

Who did you report, moron? Did you report Jobst or did you report the guy who
spoofed him?

Guess what, [censored] - I know how to read a header.

Good enough for ya?

E.P.

War... what is it good for?

It's nice to see the pro war people denounce mentioning something more
important than stretched chains here. The vehemence, anonymity and
rudeness of the responses typifies the whole syndrome. I suppose it's
embarrassing to see that the methods by which we got into this war and
the methods used to keep us there are concepts that have been known to
dictators throughout history, history that the hawks failed to learn.

At least we are much safer and have more freedoms now than before our
president's declaration of war after 911; "We are going to find these
people and punish them..." Fat chance!

Jobst Brandt

Quoted message said:

I come here to read about bicycles hanging from spokes, chain stretch,
threadlock on spoke nipples and the benefits of wearing a helmet. If I
wanted to read the political blather of the self-important ideologues,
I could choose a thousand other outlets for the sewerage that passes
for war commentary.

Actually, if you just wanted to read about chain stretch, spoke
borekage, etc, why don't you just limit yourself to open messages with
those headings, instead of engaging in a long war of insults w/ someone
else? Why did you even bother to read messages that you are not
interested in, much less produce long and meaningless replies?
Moreover, no newsgroups are ever restricted to the topic in the
heading. Newsgroups are communities of people that share things in
common. Sometimes, the regular participants want to discuss other
things, and, in this and other newsgroups, this has been welcomed.
Participants have the choice of participating in a thread, or simply
ignoring it. They don't have to open every single thread. I am sure
that you don't open every single topic and read every single message,
yet, you are going to great troubles to insult Jobst.

I personally welcome regular participants to, once in a while, start
"side threads" about topics that may be of interest to some of us.
Manytimes, those topics don't interest me, nor do I agree with their
opinions. Yet, I don't decide that I have to insult the posters to
prove my point. Your insults do not enhance your perspective in any
way. In fact, many participants that disagree with Jobst's ideology
will probably think that there is something wrong with you.

Anyways, Jobst, I hope that you keep it comming. I wish that you would
continue posting messages from that website that you used to post from
before the election.

Andres

41 said:

[email hidden] wrote:

I suggest you try to find it in Xanax,

Quoted message said:

Paxil, Prozac, and Valium, perhaps all of them.

How about Effexor! That is what I am on. It prevetns me from ranting
and raving too much.

Andres

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I come here to read about bicycles hanging from spokes, chain stretch,
threadlock on spoke nipples and the benefits of wearing a helmet. If I
wanted to read the political blather of the self-important ideologues,
I could choose a thousand other outlets for the sewerage that passes
for war commentary.

I am sure
that you don't open every single topic and read every single message,
yet, you are going to great troubles to insult Jobst.

Both of those things are quite true...

Quoted message said:

I personally welcome regular participants to, once in a while, start
"side threads" about topics that may be of interest to some of us.

If they are of interest to "some" of you, and they aren't related to
the newsgroup, then why isn't an e-mail list used? Or even a link to a
post in some other newsgroup?

The logic of this little bit baffles.

Quoted message said:

Manytimes, those topics don't interest me, nor do I agree with their
opinions. Yet, I don't decide that I have to insult the posters to
prove my point. Your insults do not enhance your perspective in any
way.

That's exactly correct! You have perceieved the exercise correctly.
Indeed, the ire you might feel at the name-calling is EXACTLY THE SAME
as the ire I feel at having to read this blather outside of a political
newsgroup.

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In fact, many participants that disagree with Jobst's ideology
will probably think that there is something wrong with you.

It was an exercise to arouse ire. And it succeeded, in spades. In
fact, I could do it at will.

Anything to stop the endless droning of the cowards on the left who
won't stand up and fight, and the morons on the right who think that's
the only solution.

Quoted message said:

Anyways, Jobst, I hope that you keep it comming. I wish that you would
continue posting messages from that website that you used to post from
before the election.

Yes, by all means, ignore the charter of the newsgroup, and pollute it
with nonsensical ramblings that have all been spoken before, by people
who know much more about the subject. But hey, mention motorcycle
helmets in this newsgroup, and all the weight of the "off-topic"
shouters comes to bear.

So, if you were annoyed or dismayed by my response to Jobst's posts,
then you have felt exactly the way I feel about Jobst's
partially-educated dribblings on a topic about which he has a very
superficial understanding.

E.P.

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If they are of interest to "some" of you, and they aren't related to
the newsgroup, then why isn't an e-mail list used? Or even a link to a
post in some other newsgroup?

Actually, when someone wants to discuss something that he/she may think
is pertinent, the person doesn't know how is interested. By posting the
message they hope to engage interested parties.

Quoted message said:

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Manytimes, those topics don't interest me, nor do I agree with their
opinions. Yet, I don't decide that I have to insult the posters to
prove my point. Your insults do not enhance your perspective in any
way.

That's exactly correct! You have perceieved the exercise correctly.
Indeed, the ire you might feel at the name-calling is EXACTLY THE SAME
as the ire I feel at having to read this blather outside of a political
newsgroup.

But I don't feel any ire when I read something that I disagee with or
that does not interest me. I simply ignore the discussion and seek
something of interest to me.

Quoted message said:

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In fact, many participants that disagree with Jobst's ideology
will probably think that there is something wrong with you.

It was an exercise to arouse ire. And it succeeded, in spades. In
fact, I could do it at will.

Anything to stop the endless droning of the cowards on the left who
won't stand up and fight, and the morons on the right who think that's
the only solution.

My ire hasn't been aroused by Jobst comments, or yours. I was simply
surprised by the way you reacted claiming that what Jobst was doing was
innapropriate. I didn't think that it was.

Quoted message said:

So, if you were annoyed or dismayed by my response to Jobst's posts,
then you have felt exactly the way I feel about Jobst's
partially-educated dribblings on a topic about which he has a very
superficial understanding.

Again, I am neither annoyed nor dismayed. I am simply confused by the
contradictory nature of your response. You simply think that it is
wrong to talk about "other than cycling stuff", but you are very
engaged in this. I am interested in your last comment about Jobst
having little understanding though. That would be a valuable
contribution if you could share what is superficial about his
understanding.

Andres