Walking Alone

Peewiglet said:

Peter Clinch said:

Dave Fawthrop said:

You forget the "due diligence" defense.

'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
name here.

Wet fishes,

Huh?

Katherine

Dave Fawthrop said:

| >Dave Fawthrop wrote:
| >
| >> You forget the "due diligence" defense.
|
| 'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
| name here.

Yes there is.
I was taught how to construct one last year on an Intermediate Food Hygiene
course.

Apologies, Dave: I wasn't thinking of a specific statutory defence. I
need to check before I jump in, sometimes 🙂

I'm sorry to hear that a defence of that name has been introduced,
though: I don't understand why the government seems to be intent upon
Americanising our language. Istm that we've managed well enough in the
past with vocabulary of our own to describe the concept in question.

Wet fishes,
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:32:06 -0700, Katherine <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Peewiglet said:

Peter Clinch said:

Dave Fawthrop wrote:

>You forget the "due diligence" defense.
>

'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
name here.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wet fishes,

Huh?

1. 'Due diligence' is an American phrase, used to describe what
English law has called 'reasonable care' for quite a long time now. I
don't like the increasing Americanisation of our language; that's what
I was referring to.

2. The rest of it is my sig: it's just a joke. Remember the fish puns?

Wet fishes,
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,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

"Is our children learning?"
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Peter said (in response to my slightly flippant post saying "go
anyway"😉

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Such rule bending has the result of very major and serious sense of
humour loss from TPTB if it goes wrong, with nasty repercussions
for all sorts of people. Like possibly no more mountaineering club
for anyone, which runs you into the realm of unpleasantly selfish.
If you want to go alone then you still can, but not with
transport and accommodation laid on by the club, because that's
just not being fair on the club's committee or the other members.

I (do sort) of see the point, and in caving, my main sport, breaking
various "rules" (eg access conditions), can indeed spoil it for
everyone. But there again, should you be more frightened of having
your mates banned from borrowing a minibus for a year or two, or being
killed yourself ? I know in truth a club is far more than just a
lift-share arrangement (which can be banned) - but a *real* club is
really a group of friends with shared interests, and hence can't be
closed down from outside, beyond some extra transport inconveniences.
And student officers are off course immune from being sued, as they
have no money (sorry, flippant mode again).

Strangely, I'm much more wary caving on my own than hillwalking, yet
I'd say hillwalking was far more dangerous than caving, at least for
the winter-Scotlend end of hillwalking

Hywel

Peewiglet said:

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:32:06 -0700, Katherine <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

Peewiglet said:

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:51:46 +0100, Peter Clinch
<[email hidden]> wrote:

>Dave Fawthrop wrote:
>
>
>
>>You forget the "due diligence" defense.
>>
>>
'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
name here.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Wet fishes,

Huh?

1. 'Due diligence' is an American phrase, used to describe what
English law has called 'reasonable care' for quite a long time now. I
don't like the increasing Americanisation of our language; that's what
I was referring to.

2. The rest of it is my sig: it's just a joke. Remember the fish puns?

Wet fishes,

I got the wet fishes

Katherine

hyweldavies said:

killed yourself ? I know in truth a club is far more than just a
lift-share arrangement (which can be banned) - but a *real* club is
really a group of friends with shared interests, and hence can't be
closed down from outside, beyond some extra transport inconveniences.

It's not that simple. A university club, while it certainly contains
groups of friends, has a very high turnover rate compared to most clubs.
In 4 years time the only people left in the club who are in it now are
locals, 3 or 4 of us out of about 100 members. Every year there is a
huge contingent of foreign exchange students who are only in the club
for a year, and who consequently aren't really at the "friends" status,
at least yet.

And the club gets a lot of financial support from the SU, so if it lost
it the costs would inevitably go up. If you're on exchange from eastern
Europe and have very little money that will affect things a *lot*. A
large University club isn't like most mountaineering clubs in many
respects. I hardly know the current membership (unlike the other local
clubs I'm in), yet I'm still a full member and I have responsibilities
to the other members. Like keeping their SU support in place!

Quoted message said:

Strangely, I'm much more wary caving on my own than hillwalking, yet
I'd say hillwalking was far more dangerous than caving, at least for
the winter-Scotlend end of hillwalking

FSVO "caving". Multi-pitch SRT trips aren't really the same thing as
wandering through a tunnel.

Pete.
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