Walking Alone

"Some of them do need training, though, to keep quiet at important
moments. "
Priceless, thoughtful and TRUE. Yet worth the effort.

"Roger" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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..Poucher doesn't seem to have a sense of humour so I am sure he was

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serious when he followed it up with the following gem - "To make sure
of
rapid location, please wear red stockings".

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Hold-ups or suspenders?

Sorry, he wasn't recommending cross dressing. Stockings in this case is
the technically correct term for knee length socks.

I know 🙂

My dad always used the same term 🙂

Bernard

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Peter wrote : "Our
University club had a solo walking ban imposed by the University Court
after someone died walking alone. "

Of course, if they're one they're on their own they can't be walking
with the club, so quite a harmless rule this one.
Just goes to show how silly this kind of thing gets. Or perhaps it's
sensible, since by walking alone, it's by definition not a club trip,
so no-one can then be blamed.

I nearly always go walking alone (winter scotland), but am well aware
that a fall would be a pretty bad thing. I often don't tell anyone
where I've gone either, but that is a bit silly admitedly. I
occasionally go caving alone too, but that's only practical if there's
no gear to carry, and I've always been on home ground as it were

Hywel

I read somewhere that Poucher was known for wearing makeup, on the
grounds that "a gentleman should make the best of himself", so it's
worth making the distinction. He was a perfumier by trade, orginally a
chemist, so perhaps just professional interest.

Hywel

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I read somewhere that Poucher was known for wearing makeup, on the
grounds that "a gentleman should make the best of himself", so it's
worth making the distinction. He was a perfumier by trade, orginally a
chemist, so perhaps just professional interest.

Ha. I have just come across a cutting my father sent me when Poucher
died. A brief obituary by Harry Griffin. "Poucher was a chemist by
profession and a director of Yardley. His first book has lasted
best:[doesn't say much for his walking guides] a treatise on Perfumes
Cosmetics and Soaps (1923) became a standard work of reference, and the
classless smell of British office girls owes much to Poucher. So keen
was he to evangelise the firm's products that he used them himself and
the tough walker was sometimes to be seen wearing make-up as well as
anorak and gaiters."

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 53 summits
New - 27 (Marilyns 13, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 26 (Marilyns 10, Nuttalls 17, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

hyweldavies said:

Of course, if they're one they're on their own they can't be walking
with the club, so quite a harmless rule this one.

Such rule bending has the result of very major and serious sense of
humour loss from TPTB if it goes wrong, with nasty repercussions
for all sorts of people. Like possibly no more mountaineering club
for anyone, which runs you into the realm of unpleasantly selfish.
If you want to go alone then you still can, but not with
transport and accommodation laid on by the club, because that's
just not being fair on the club's committee or the other members.

But it's certainly a stupid rule: rather than someone going out on
their own from a known start point with a good idea of their route
and personal equipment and an alarm raised /very/ promptly if they
don't show up on time, someone notices Johnny isn't at lectures on
Monday afternoon and starts getting worried when he doesn't show up
by Wednesday...

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Just goes to show how silly this kind of thing gets. Or perhaps it's
sensible, since by walking alone, it's by definition not a club trip,
so no-one can then be blamed.

If you book onto a club bus by your right as a club member and
spend a weekend in a hut booked by the club, but happen to go for a
wander on your own, it's still very much a club trip, and will be
considered so by anyone looking hard at legal angles.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 11:38:18 +0100, Peter Clinch <[email hidden]>
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| hyweldavies wrote:
|
| > Of course, if they're one they're on their own they can't be walking
| > with the club, so quite a harmless rule this one.
|
| Such rule bending has the result of very major and serious sense of
| humour loss from TPTB if it goes wrong, with nasty repercussions
| for all sorts of people. Like possibly no more mountaineering club
| for anyone, which runs you into the realm of unpleasantly selfish.
| If you want to go alone then you still can, but not with
| transport and accommodation laid on by the club, because that's
| just not being fair on the club's committee or the other members.
|
| But it's certainly a stupid rule: rather than someone going out on
| their own from a known start point with a good idea of their route
| and personal equipment and an alarm raised /very/ promptly if they
| don't show up on time, someone notices Johnny isn't at lectures on
| Monday afternoon and starts getting worried when he doesn't show up
| by Wednesday...
|
| > Just goes to show how silly this kind of thing gets. Or perhaps it's
| > sensible, since by walking alone, it's by definition not a club trip,
| > so no-one can then be blamed.
|
| If you book onto a club bus by your right as a club member and
| spend a weekend in a hut booked by the club, but happen to go for a
| wander on your own, it's still very much a club trip, and will be
| considered so by anyone looking hard at legal angles.

You forget the "due diligence" defense.
We had a rule which he/she disobeyed.
Not our fault.

--
Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk>
The London suicide bombers killed innocent commuters.
Animal rights terrorists and activists kill innocent patients.

Dave Fawthrop said:

You forget the "due diligence" defense.
We had a rule which he/she disobeyed.
Not our fault.

But not looked upon well if it turns out nothing was done about it
on the previous n occasions it was disobeyed.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/

Peter Clinch said:

Dave Fawthrop said:

You forget the "due diligence" defense.

'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
name here.

Wet fishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

"Is our children learning?"
g.w.AT [guessthisbit].com

Peewiglet said:

'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
name here.

I expect you can allways order it from the net to add to your gear list,
PW! ;^}

Jim Ford

Jim Ford said:

Peewiglet said:

'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
name here.

I expect you can allways order it from the net to add to your gear list,
PW! ;^}

Good idea! I'll go and see if they have it on Ebay 🙂

Wet fishes,
--
,,
(**)PeeWiglet~~
/ \ / \ pee AT [guessthisbit].co.uk

"Is our children learning?"
g.w.AT [guessthisbit].com

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For some reason (am I in too many killfiles?) this message provoked not
one response

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I imagine everyone just assumed you were being sarcastic. I certainly
did ;-)

Irony is wasted on usenet. :-)

I hate ironing 🙂

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:07:43 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
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| On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:51:46 +0100, Peter Clinch
| <[email hidden]> wrote:
|
| >Dave Fawthrop wrote:
| >
| >> You forget the "due diligence" defense.
|
| 'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
| name here.

Yes there is.
I was taught how to construct one last year on an Intermediate Food Hygiene
course.

--
Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk>
The London suicide bombers killed innocent commuters.
Animal rights terrorists and activists kill innocent patients.

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:07:43 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

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Peter Clinch said:

Dave Fawthrop said:

You forget the "due diligence" defense.

'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
name here.

I don't know what the term is but repeated acquiescence to breaches of
H&S at work are held to be the employer's fault if there is
subsequently an accident, much as Peter C implied.

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Wet fishes,

No she doesn't
AJH

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Irony is wasted on usenet. :-)

I hate ironing 🙂

Have you tried extreme ironing?

--
Roger Chapman so far this year 53 summits
New - 27 (Marilyns 13, Nuttalls 5, Outlying Fells 10)
Repeats - 26 (Marilyns 10, Nuttalls 17, Wainwrights 12, Outlying Fells 0)

AJH said:

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:07:43 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>

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Peter Clinch said:

Dave Fawthrop wrote:

> You forget the "due diligence" defense.

'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
name here.

I don't know what the term is but repeated acquiescence to breaches of
H&S at work are held to be the employer's fault if there is
subsequently an accident, much as Peter C implied.

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The term is, as Dave said, 'due diligence'. It's a specific legal
defence under the Food Safety Act and maybe elsewhere.
--

Paul Rooney

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Irony is wasted on usenet. :-)

I hate ironing 🙂

Have you tried extreme ironing?

Roped to a vertical ironing board 2000ft up?
No. Is it fun?
;-)

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Mick
(no M$ software on here... :-) )
Web: http://www.nascom.info
Web: http://projectedsound.tk

mick bashed at the keyboard and came up with:

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On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 20:33:22 +0100, Roger burbled:

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> Irony is wasted on usenet. :-)
>
I hate ironing 🙂

Have you tried extreme ironing?

Roped to a vertical ironing board 2000ft up?
No. Is it fun?
;-)

Oh yes.

🙂

--
Mike.

We are bored. Resistance is Futile....

On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 19:51:35 +0200, AJH <[email hidden]> wrote:

| On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 17:07:43 +0100, Peewiglet <[email hidden]>
| wrote:
|
| >On Sun, 09 Oct 2005 15:51:46 +0100, Peter Clinch
| ><[email hidden]> wrote:
| >
| >>Dave Fawthrop wrote:
| >>
| >>> You forget the "due diligence" defense.
| >
| >'Due diligence'? This is not America.... there's no defence of that
| >name here.
|
| I don't know what the term is but repeated acquiescence to breaches of
| H&S at work are held to be the employer's fault if there is
| subsequently an accident, much as Peter C implied.

All depends on how much "due" is "due". That is up to the courts.
--
Dave Fawthrop <dave hyphenologist co uk>
The London suicide bombers killed innocent commuters.
Animal rights terrorists and activists kill innocent patients.

Dave Fawthrop said:

All depends on how much "due" is "due". That is up to the courts.

Indeed it is, and that is not a clear cut answer where you know that if
you say that you will get off. So you're putting a whole club at risk
with dozens of members who rely on that club to get out and about to the
extent that they do. Doing that is just selfish, so IMHO much better to
chip away at the rule from the inside and go out under your own steam if
you want to walk alone.

As has been done, in fact. It has moved from being an integral part of
the club constitution to being an item in the safety policy, and the
club has moved further towards being able to take it out from there.

Pete.
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Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net [email hidden] http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/