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  1. "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    Let's put it this way: If you were arrested for drunk driving, would you
    want to be placed in a "cell" that was maybe 3" wider than the width of
    your
    shoulders?

    Let's put it this way: What should one do with a person who lacks the
    consideration and/or common sense to edit out 80+ lines of useless
    text from the previous post? I say we put him/her in a pen and feed
    them Starbucks caramel frappo-lattes till their brain caves in and they
    puke blood, then we kick 'em to the curb and grind them up for use as
    potting soil for Venus flytraps.

    Wow! I haven't heard that much anger over a triviality since the vegan found
    out that there was half a teaspoon of Worcester sauce in the dressing on his
    salad.

    --Rich

  2. Rich said:

    Wow! I haven't heard that much anger over a triviality since the vegan found
    out that there was half a teaspoon of Worcester sauce in the dressing on his
    salad.

    Hey, twit! ...you're just as bad. You match that moron line for
    line. You should have Jello pumped down your nostrils till you puke
    pudding pops and then have your fingertips sewn together using farmed
    shrimp antenni.

    nb

  3. "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    Rich said:

    Wow! I haven't heard that much anger over a triviality since the vegan
    found
    out that there was half a teaspoon of Worcester sauce in the dressing on
    his
    salad.

    Hey, twit! ...you're just as bad. You match that moron line for
    line. You should have Jello pumped down your nostrils till you puke
    pudding pops and then have your fingertips sewn together using farmed
    shrimp antenni.

    nb

    You really should learn to hold your liquor more gracefully. Or, stop
    drinking. You're going to get yourself slapped around someday.

  4. JoeSpareBedroom said:

    drinking. You're going to get yourself slapped around someday.

    ....or you and Rich could just bore me into a coma..

    nb

  5. "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    drinking. You're going to get yourself slapped around someday.

    ...or you and Rich could just bore me into a coma..

    If it bores you, don't read it. Have another beer and go back to
    www.dirtypictures.com.

    --Rich

  6. "Rich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:


    "notbob" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    Quoted message said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    drinking. You're going to get yourself slapped around someday.

    ...or you and Rich could just bore me into a coma..

    If it bores you, don't read it. Have another beer and go back to
    www.dirtypictures.com.

    LOL. I just checked. Even though I made it up, there really is such a site!

    --Rich

  7. Rich said:

    If it bores you, don't read it. Have another beer and go back to
    www.dirtypictures.com.

    I would, but yo' momma asked me wait till she posted the new jpg's.

    nb

  8. Rich said:

    you on, though, the cover of her autobiography has a picture of how she
    looked forty-five years ago.

    Oh sure, lure me into your family's perverse carnal legacy. Nay, I
    shall not be tempted, no matter how many quoted lines you include!

    nb

  9. In article <[email hidden]>,
    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    You just described almost every food animal.

    Pure nonsense. No other animals are treated like milk fed veal. Learn
    about a topic before you make a fool of yourself.

    --
    Peter Aitken
    Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

  10. Ranee Mueller said:
    Quoted message said:

    A lot of food animals get to roam a bit. Laying chickens are tightly
    confined, but meat chickens get the run of a large enclosure. Beef cattle,
    pigs and lambs are usually pastured, at least given a chance to exercise a
    bit. Veal calves are kept in tight enclosures and barley have room to step
    out of their own [censored]. A friend of mine who raises cattle, both for sale and
    to feed his family refuses to eat veal because he is so opposed to the way
    it is grown.

    This may be the way it is in Canada, but I doubt it unless you are
    talking about small farm operations. Even so called "free range"
    chickens only have to be outdoors an hour a day to qualify for that
    title, and that includes being in their cages, but set outside.

    There is a world of difference between the conditions of the layers and those
    being raised for meat. Layers are kept in small cages. Chickens raised for meat
    are picked up at the hatchery after they have been hatched, sexed and de-beaked.
    The farmer sticks them into a barn with a huge open are and they have the run of
    the place. There are heat lamps that they hand around when they are really young
    and water and feed. They are fed for 6-8 weeks and then the farmer looks for a
    buyer. Crews are brought in to cage the chickens and stick them in cages. When the
    birds are all caught and caged they head off to the processing plant and a
    cleaning crew comes to clean out the barn. They use Bobcats or similar small front
    end loaders to scrape out the [censored], sweep it out, spray it down, dry it out and
    then get ready for another batch of chicks.

    Let me tell you. You don't want to be around when they are cleaning out those
    chicken barns.

    Quoted message said:

    Factory farmed poultry and meat are seriously confined in small
    spaces, fed food that is unnatural for them and feedlots are notorious
    for having diseased animals because of the crowding and the fact that
    they are standing in their own feces, sometimes up to their shanks.. It
    is disgusting. If veal are kept in tight enclosures, it is no different
    than their adult compatriots, except that they perhaps have a lower
    chance of catching disease from all the other animals confined with
    them, since they are theoretically kept isolated.

    I am not about to try to defend the means of producing veal, but I can tell you
    that animals have a whole different set of hygiene standards than people have.
    It is always annoying to spend 15 minutes mucking out a horse stable and paying
    down new bedding for them and then bring the horse back in because they first
    thing they do is urinate, and I am not talking a little tinkle like male dogs do
    on trees to mark their territory. It is more like a gallon, and they do it right
    in the middle of the stall. Then at night they lie down and sleep on that spot.
    Just keep that in mind the next time you pet a horse and you think it stinks. :-)

  11. notbob said:
    JoeSpareBedroom said:

    Sadly, you don't know what you're talking about.

    Oh, really? Name one food animal in the US that isn't crowded/packed into
    pen/cages/stockyards to an unnaturally highly stressed degree. The
    organic geek with 12 cows in Nosedrip Hollow, Napa CA, doesn't count.

    My neighbour had free range chickens. They went into a coop at night, but that
    was to protect them from predators. All day long they would be wandering
    around. They spent a lot of time in my raspberry patch, which may explain why
    their egg yolks were a bright orange. They used to come around every night
    around dinner time. I would be out grilling something and I would hear the
    clucking as the first one showed up and within a few minutes all the girls
    would be coming by for their evening parade. I don't know if they realized
    that one night it was one of their sisters on the grill.

  12. Dave Smith said:

    My neighbour had free range chickens.

    Your neighbor wasn't supplying a thousand ...or more... customers, was
    he?

    nb

  13. Dave Smith said:


    I am not about to try to defend the means of producing veal, but I can tell you
    that animals have a whole different set of hygiene standards than people have.
    It is always annoying to spend 15 minutes mucking out a horse stable and paying
    down new bedding for them and then bring the horse back in because they first
    thing they do is urinate, and I am not talking a little tinkle like male dogs do
    on trees to mark their territory. It is more like a gallon, and they do it right
    in the middle of the stall. Then at night they lie down and sleep on that spot.
    Just keep that in mind the next time you pet a horse and you think it stinks. :-)

    It's not a matter of hygine in most instances, it's marking territory.
    All animals do this (peeing or pooping on clean bedding/environment)-
    especially animals in captivity. Cats do it with a clean litter box,
    dogs do it after a rain, mice and other rodents so it wfter their cages
    are cleaned - hell, even my snakes do it.

    -L.

  14. In article <[email hidden]>, [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:

    Opposition to veal generally arises from how it has been
    crated/confined, not from when it was killed. It is not hard to
    find free range veal. The flesh is not as light-colored but it is
    not any lesser in quality.

    I wish this were true. There is in fact a huge difference in quality.

    --
    Peter Aitken
    Visit my recipe and kitchen myths pages at www.pgacon.com/cooking.htm

  15. notbob said:
    Dave Smith said:

    My neighbour had free range chickens.

    Your neighbor wasn't supplying a thousand ...or more... customers, was
    he?

    That's true. They were just to supply eggs until they slowed down on egg
    production at which time they got eaten. I have seen enough commercial
    chicken operations around here to know how they work.

  16. Peter A said:

    [email hidden] says...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Opposition to veal generally arises from how it has been
    crated/confined, not from when it was killed. It is not hard to
    find free range veal. The flesh is not as light-colored but it is
    not any lesser in quality.

    Quoted message said:

    I wish this were true. There is in fact a huge difference in quality.

    I'll agree they are noticeably different.

    Steve

  17. In article <[email hidden]>,

    (Steve Pope) said:
    Ranee Mueller said:

    "MoM" <[email hidden]> wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    There is probably veal around, just not milk fed white veal.
    Which I agree is animal cruelty just like foie gras.

    Quoted message said:

    Why is it cruel? Because you are eating something before it was
    weaned?

    Opposition to veal generally arises from how it has been
    crated/confined, not from when it was killed. It is not hard to
    find free range veal. The flesh is not as light-colored but it is
    not any lesser in quality.

    Steve

    I purchased a whole range veal a few years ago......
    Weanling Brangus on open range.

    Best beef I've ever had.
    --
    Peace!
    Om

    "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a [censored]"
    -- Jack Nicholson

  18. JoeSpareBedroom said:


    "Rich" <[email hidden]> wrote in message

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > > > > > > > > > There is probably veal around, just not milk

    Is there some reason you two can't trim your damn posts? 13 deep
    quotes? That's ridiculous. Have some consideration for the rest of the
    group.

    Brian
    --
    If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
    won't shut up.
    -- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)

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