Kyle Legate said:MagillaGorilla said:Kyle Legate said:MagillaGorilla wrote:
> Mark wrote:
>
>> MagillaGorilla wrote:
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>>> Phil Holman wrote:
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>>>> "MagillaGorilla" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email hidden]...
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>>>>> Amit Ghosh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 26, 7:23 pm, MagillaGorilla <[email hidden]> wrote:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you name a single pro who keeled over and died while
>>>>>>> racing because
>>>>>>> of blood that was too thick? If the answer is no then why
>>>>>>> does the UCI
>>>>>>> claim that resting is for their health?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the 50% scheme is a vestige from when there was an EPO test. it
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be scrapped when there is an EPO test.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know. I was just being facetious. Exceeding the 50% limit
>>>>> basically means you were caught, but they just can't prove you
>>>>> were transfusing blood or using EPO, so they have to call it a
>>>>> "safety" suspension.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Resting roughly translates to ..... stop doing whatever it was
>>>> you were doing to raise your hemacrit to > 50%, including legal
>>>> manipulations.
>>>>
>>>> Phil H
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are no "legal" ways to raise your hematocrit.
>>>
>>> Magilla
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>>
>>
>> Geez, tell that to the Red Cross nurse won't let you donate blood
>> due to low hematocrit. Eat foods high in iron. For the athletes,
>> do some altitude training, hypoxia tents (regardless of [censored] Pound
>> or whoever that was), etc.
>>
>> Mark J.
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>
>
>
> Training at altitude and hypoxic tents rely on two totally different
> physiological mechanisms.
>
> When you train at altitude, the partial pressure of oxygen at the
> pulmonary capillary level is less than at sea level. However, the
> concentration of oxygen in the air stays the same.
>
> Hypoxic tents do not change the partial pressure of oxygen in air.
> Rather they de-saturate the air of oxygen molecules.
>
> When you train at altitude, you are really training in a "hypobaric
> tent" (not a hypoxic tent).
>
> That's something hypoxic tent manufacturers don't want to tell you.
>
None of that matters. What matters is that they are legal ways to
raise hematocrit.Thanks. Now read this, smart mouth.
Magilla
http://www.hypoxico.com/faq.htm
7Q. Will my Hematocrit level rise?
A: This was confirmed in a recent independent HYPOXIC ALTITUDE TENT
study where, although the "tent group" showed significant gains, there
was no change in hematocrit.I imagine they are referring to this study:
Nobody but you is arguing the effectiveness of the method; that's your
strawman. The discussion centered around the legality of these methods,
in which you said "There are no "legal" ways to raise your hematocrit."
You desperately attacked the tent method based on a study with shady
interpretation of the results ("biological variation over time" in the
hypoxic group but not in the control group? Please.), now let's see you
attack the living at altitude method.
How is citing a study that hypoxic tents don't raise hematocrit "desperate?"
Second, I never said living in an altitude tent "wasn't effective." Can
you cite where I said that? Although not a single winner of the Tour de
France has ever come from living at altitude. Think about that and ask
yourself what it means.
Third, the context of the conversation was two athletes who DON'T live
at altitude who failed the hematocrit test at worlds. How did they
raise it LEGALLY?
The context of the conversation was never that ANYONE couldn't move to
altitude. It was about these two track riders (and other cyclists) who
don't live at altitude and don't live in a hypoxic tent.
Magilla