Unbelievable

Tom Crispin said:

This afternoon I turned right out of a side turning, opposite and
slightly ahead of me WVM turned left out of a side turning into the
same road. I.e. we were both headed in the same direction, with WVM
slightly ahead, and me alongside.

The pedestrian crossing lights were red. I stopped, WVM went through
on red, with me yelling "RED" after him.

"Unbelieveable!" I muttered as I cycled past him a minute later
shaking my head. "UNBELIEVABLE!" he yelled back.

If the Daily Wail is to be believed, such a thing doesn't happen.

Can you refer us to an example of their output, in which they claim that
motorists /never/ pass lights on red.

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It's
cyclists who ignore red lights

Yes, I've seen that claim, ...

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and the poor over-taxed motorists

a statement of fact, ...

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who
obey them.

but I've never seen that one.

--
Matt B

"Tom Crispin" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Quoted message said:

This afternoon I turned right out of a side turning, opposite and
slightly ahead of me WVM turned left out of a side turning into the
same road. I.e. we were both headed in the same direction, with WVM
slightly ahead, and me alongside.

The pedestrian crossing lights were red. I stopped, WVM went through
on red, with me yelling "RED" after him.

Did the peds have to jump for their lives?

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:56:05 +0100 someone who may be Tom Crispin
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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If the Daily Wail is to be believed, such a thing doesn't happen. It's
cyclists who ignore red lights and the poor over-taxed motorists who
obey them.

The motorist was obviously a cyclist in disguise.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

On 14 Sep, 16:23, David Hansen <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 14:56:05 +0100 someone who may be Tom Crispin
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

Quoted message said:

If the Daily Wail is to be believed, such a thing doesn't happen. It's
cyclists who ignore red lights and the poor over-taxed motorists who
obey them.

The motorist was obviously a cyclist in disguise.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

It was The Wail that carried Kate Hoey's recommendation to terrorise
cyclists off the roads by blasting them with the car horn as you pass:

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,,1788039,00.html

This dozy [censored] seriously uses her car as a weapon and boasts about it
and The Mail carries her mad dribble.

On Fri, 14 Sep 2007 08:31:25 -0700 someone who may be spindrift
<[email hidden]> wrote this:-

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It was The Wail that carried Kate Hoey's recommendation to terrorise
cyclists off the roads by blasting them with the car horn as you pass:

Did they also not gleefully report an assault carried out by Betty
Boothroyd on a cyclist? ISTR she was so proud of this assault that
she boasted about it in the Westminster Rogues Gallery.

--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

Matt B said:

Tom Crispin said:

If the Daily Wail is to be believed, such a thing doesn't happen.

Can you refer us to an example of their output, in which they claim
that motorists never pass lights on red.

Believe it or not, it's really not necessary to play devils advocate to
*every* single post.

--
Mike
Van Tuyl titanium Dura ace 10
Fausto Coppi aluminium Ultegra 10
Raleigh Record sprint mongrel
Huissoon project bike (in bits, natch)

On 14 Sep, 14:56, Tom Crispin <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

This afternoon I turned right out of a side turning, opposite and
slightly ahead of me WVM turned left out of a side turning into the
same road. I.e. we were both headed in the same direction, with WVM
slightly ahead, and me alongside.

The pedestrian crossing lights were red. I stopped, WVM went through
on red, with me yelling "RED" after him.

"Unbelieveable!" I muttered as I cycled past him a minute later
shaking my head. "UNBELIEVABLE!" he yelled back.

If the Daily Wail is to be believed, such a thing doesn't happen. It's
cyclists who ignore red lights and the poor over-taxed motorists who
obey them.

Just as a converse, I was doing a quick hours blast last week just to
get me out of the house and I came upon a guy riding roughly the same
route. As I reached some lights he rode right through in front of me,
I could see the car next to me muttering and moaning and I commented
through his window that there were always some idiots on the road.
Eventually our lights changed and I caught up with the red-hopper by
the next lights, as did the car where the same happened again, the
car driver looked at me and laughed in acknowledgment. Finally the
lights changed again and I pedalled my legs off to catch the cyclist -
as I caught up with him and passed him (car was waiting behind) I
shouted, possibly a little agressively, that red lights applied to him
too and if it wasnt for ****ers like him we might not get a raw deal.
He started to make excuses but I continued to ride off ahead of him
and ignored his slightly stunned response. I passed the next lights
and eventually the car, me and him all gathered back up at the next
lights. He was silent and the car driver congratulated me on my
comments and their effect, and pointed out what an idiot the other guy
was. The other guy stopped at every set of lights from then until he
turned off 🙂 I feel Ive done my part for the week!

"mb" <[email hidden]> wrote in
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Matt B wrote: <snip>

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Believe it or not, it's really not necessary to play devils advocate to
*every* single post.

I think you are confusing a devil's advocate with a troll, Mike.

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

CoyoteBoy said:

I
shouted, possibly a little agressively, that red lights applied to him
too and if it wasnt for ****ers like him we might not get a raw deal.

You're right of course, the clear proof being that Japan is such a
horrible place to cycle compared to the UK.

James