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  1. (That Was The Year That Was) With apologies to Millicent martin

    With what was probably the last hill walk of the year behind me I thought it would be a good time to
    take stock of what has been a very active year for me, walking wise at least. However it did not
    start out that way.

    In January I was laid low with a nasty attack of shingles and when I did eventually venture out into
    the hills again I was so unfit that I needed 3 rests just to get to the summit of Glenridding Dodd
    (a steep1000 feet of ascent) but somehow or other in the following months I worked my fitness up to
    a level I hadn't been able to achieve for a decade or more and, perhaps as a result, have managed
    more hill walking in the one year than in the whole of the previous ten.

    I was lucky in three respects. Firstly the exceptional weather, secondly the considerable expanse of
    pastures new within day trip distance of home and thirdly no serious recurrence of the knee problems
    that had plagued me since the late 80s.

    It hasn't all been chasing Wainwrights. SWEATS and Marilyns, particularly in the Dales, have figured
    prominently and while 3 weekends in South Wales have yielded but one new summit I have as usual
    enjoyed the old ground of the Myndd Du and may well have increased by a half dozen or more my
    ascents of Fan Brycheiniog, etc.

    I have never in the past kept much of a record of my wanderings but this year I have been able to
    construct in retrospect quite a complete record from saved tracklogs, the only gaps being in South
    Wales where I don't appear to have kept much of the repetition. The figures I quote below are
    (touch wood) complete apart from the South Wales repeats and the occasional repeat of a summit on
    the same day.

    So, 167 summits of which 140 were new to me. Of the new summits 83 were Wainwrights, 9 were
    Wainwrights Outlying Fells, 49 were SWEATS and 42 were Marilyns. The categories are of course not
    necessarily mutually exclusive. Of the 27 repeats almost all (25) were Wainwrights.

    Regrets? I've had a few. I was going to treat myself to an attempt on the Three Peaks but the only
    walk I did this year that was anywhere near comparable (the Martindale Round) convinced me not to
    try. This was also the year I was going to get to Ireland for the first time and finish the 3000
    Furths. I didn't make it and I doubt whether I will get such a good chance again.

    Best wishes for Xmas and the New Year to all our readers.

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  2. * Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> deigned to grace uk.rec.walking
    * with their presence by declaiming:

    Quoted message said:

    (That Was The Year That Was) With apologies to Millicent martin

    Probably lost on the majority of readers of this NG!

    Quoted message said:

    Best wishes for Xmas and the New Year to all our readers.

    Thanks - you too!

    Regards: Jim Ford

  3. <Snip>

    Quoted message said:

    So, 167 summits of which 140 were new to me. Of the new summits 83 were Wainwrights, 9 were
    Wainwrights Outlying Fells, 49 were SWEATS and 42 were Marilyns. The categories are of course not
    necessarily mutually exclusive. Of the 27 repeats almost all (25) were Wainwrights.

    Corbetts, Munroes, Marilyns I've heard of. But what is a SWEAT?

    Dave....

  4. Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    (That Was The Year That Was) With apologies to Millicent martin

    Best wishes for Xmas and the New Year to all our readers.


    Same to you Roger. I merely hope to walk further in 2004 than I have in 2003, it wouldn't be too
    difficult. 8-(
    --
    Gordon

  5. In message <[email hidden]>, Jim Ford <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    * Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> deigned to grace uk.rec.walking
    * with their presence by declaiming:

    Quoted message said:

    (That Was The Year That Was) With apologies to Millicent martin

    Probably lost on the majority of readers of this NG!


    Some of us are old enough to be found.

    --
    Martin Richardson
    216/284 Munros (34/34 'Furths'😉
    217/89 Donalds 390/1552 Marilyns 439/439 Nuttalls

  6. In message <[email hidden]>, Peter Clinch
    <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Joe Bloggs said:

    Then again, why the need to group things together at all? Is it not equally valid to want to
    climb all hills beginning with the letter 'A', everything within 10 miles of, say Fort William,
    hilltops with a trig point, hilltops without a trig point etc, etc.

    The original Munros were created, IIRC, on the back of a survey undertaken for the SMC just because
    nobody really knew at the time how many hills that big there actually *were*, but as it happened
    the resulting list gave a good sort of target: big enough to be an achievement, not too big to be
    unworkable for those born outside of Planet Krypton. Subsequent lists have been created as targets,
    items of curiosity or whatever, but the key is they don't force you to use them. If you decide to
    tick off anything on a list then if you've selected a good list it will quite possibly push you
    into situations you enjoy but might not otherwise have been in.

    Quoted message said:

    I know people like to collect things, to tick things off a list, but is this all there is to it?

    The ultimate idea is to do something you like. List ticking is often a useful means to that end
    rather than an end in itself.

    I think the plus side of list ticking is the same as getting a season ticket for a whole series of
    concerts. With the season ticket I went to concerts I would not have chosen, listened to a lot of
    music I didn't expect to like and most of the time I ended up adding some more works to the 'list of
    pieces of music I like'. There were some not-so-wonderful concerts, and a couple of totally dud
    ones, but overall it was an enriching experience.

    I suspect the same applies to lists of hills - not that I've every worked to one!

    Quoted message said:


    Pete.

    --
    Five Cats Email to: cats_spam at uk2 dot net

  7. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:
    Joe Bloggs said:

    hilltops with a trig point,

    Not such a bad idea, since they are significant in the sense of being part of a visible network.
    However, then you'd be bagging trigs rather than hilltops, because many trigs are not on the top of
    hills, and many are on small insignificant hills, or even on the coast. There's an awful lot of
    them too.


    There is a bit of a joint effort on this one but it seems a wee bit off completion of the round yet
    (2182/7302):

    trigpointinguk.comtrigpointinguk.com

    --

    dscs.demon.co.ukdscs.demon.co.uk

  8. In article <[email hidden]>, Jim Ford <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    * Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> deigned to grace uk.rec.walking
    * with their presence by declaiming:

    Quoted message said:

    (That Was The Year That Was) With apologies to Millicent martin

    Probably lost on the majority of readers of this NG!

    Gordon and I remember her :-)
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  9. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    By the way, there were a few errors in the original SWEATs list as published in the Relative Hills
    of Britain book, since corrected in the HEWITTs list. For example, Corn Du was included as a SWEAT
    but excuded from the HEWITTs, with only 27m of ascent I think.

    To the un-initiated this sounds a bit naff when you consider the effort required to reach the
    top of Corn Du from Any direction - I know it's not a lot from Pen-y-Fan but you've done a bit
    to get there!

    Some of these definitions are devised by people with bugger all else to do with their time.
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  10. W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Jim Ford <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    * Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> deigned to grace uk.rec.walking
    * with their presence by declaiming:

    Quoted message said:

    (That Was The Year That Was) With apologies to Millicent martin

    Probably lost on the majority of readers of this NG!

    Gordon and I remember her :-)

    In the nicest possible way - sod off, Bill.....
    :-)

    I remember TW3, and I remember seeing that guy walk out of the audience and swing a punch at the
    critic, Bernard Somebody, because he had written a scathing review of the guy's wife, who had been
    in a play.
    --
    Gordon

  11. In article <[email hidden]>, Gordon <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    In the nicest possible way - sod off, Bill.....
    :-)


    And a Happy New Year to you Gordon :-)
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  12. In article <[email hidden]>, Jim Ford <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Is that the one to the West of Pen-y-Fan? If so, the route's burnt into my memory. Mountain experts
    warn about the dangers of hypothermia, falls, bogs, rivers, starvation, rockslides avalanches etc.
    whilst on the hills but they don't warn of one of the worst fates - the one where you stagger off
    the hill with your tongue hanging out with thirst, heading for a place marked on the map as 'Story
    Arms' expecting slake your thirst on a nice pint of bitter (OK, it'd be Welsh bitter, but any port
    in a storm!). Only, when you get there _it_isn't_a_pub_ after all, but an outdoor centre!
    [censored]!!

    Yes that's the one, and for the record AFAIK Storey Arms was named after Mr Storey (or Story)- a
    house - never a pub. Deceiptful sods.

    I have failed, even Google has failed to come up with the History of the place.

    Storey Arms is well known by other factions of society besides walkers. Pigeon Fanciers used to
    train their birds by making S. Arms a liberation point in the early training of the young,
    inexperienced birds. later they would take the birds further North ending up in places like Thurso.

    There you go - more useless info.
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  13. In article <[email hidden]>, Paul Saunders <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    Buses? North of the Beacons? Where on earth did you get the idea there'd be buses up there?

    There are buses - I think one even goes around to Talybont reservoir on a circular route. How many
    trips a day is anyone's guess.
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  14. Fran <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    W. D. Grey <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Jim Ford <[email hidden]>
    writes
    >* Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> deigned to grace uk.rec.walking
    >* with their presence by declaiming:
    >> (That Was The Year That Was) With apologies to Millicent martin
    >
    >Probably lost on the majority of readers of this NG!

    Gordon and I remember her :-)

    In the nicest possible way - sod off, Bill.....
    :-)

    I remember TW3, and I remember seeing that guy walk out of the audience and swing a punch at the
    critic, Bernard Somebody,

    Braden?


    No. Braden wasn't a critic, was he?

    I just remembered - Bernard Levin.
    --
    Gordon

  15. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:

    (That Was The Year That Was) With apologies to Millicent martin

    Best wishes for Xmas and the New Year to all our readers.


    Same to you Roger. I merely hope to walk further in 2004 than I have in 2003, it wouldn't be too
    difficult. 8-(


    Seconded! And a very happy Christmas from me and mine to all of you here :-)
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  16. The message <[email hidden]>
    from "Joe Bloggs" <[email hidden]> contains these words:

    Quoted message said:

    Corbetts, Munroes, Marilyns I've heard of. But what is a SWEAT?

    Summits [in] Wales [and] England Above Two Thousand [feet]

    NB no e in Munros.

    --
    Roger Looking North over the Aire Valley (and Marley Gasworks) to Rombolds Moor Top Posters
    killfiled on sight

  17. Roger Chapman said:
    Quoted message said:

    Corbetts, Munroes, Marilyns I've heard of. But what is a SWEAT?

    Summits [in] Wales [and] England Above Two Thousand [feet]

    Now known as the HEWITTs

    Hills [in] England Wales [and] Ireland [over] Two Thousand [feet]

    By the way, there were a few errors in the original SWEATs list as published in the Relative Hills
    of Britain book, since corrected in the HEWITTs list. For example, Corn Du was included as a SWEAT
    but excuded from the HEWITTs, with only 27m of ascent I think.

    Paul
    --
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  18. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Jim Ford <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    * Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> deigned to grace uk.rec.walking
    * with their presence by declaiming:

    Quoted message said:

    (That Was The Year That Was) With apologies to Millicent martin

    Probably lost on the majority of readers of this NG!


    Some of us are old enough to be found.


    Not that some of us are prepared to admit it... but yes, it was rather a good show :-)
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  19. Fran said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    In message <[email hidden]>, Jim Ford <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    * Roger Chapman <[email hidden]> deigned to grace uk.rec.walking
    * with their presence by declaiming:
    > (That Was The Year That Was) With apologies to Millicent martin

    Probably lost on the majority of readers of this NG!


    Some of us are old enough to be found.


    Not that some of us are prepared to admit it... but yes, it was rather a good show :-)

    TW3? I've heard it was, seen a few clips. We have to make do with Have I Got News For You
    these days.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  20. "Paul Saunders" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Roger Chapman said:
    Quoted message said:

    Corbetts, Munroes, Marilyns I've heard of. But what is a SWEAT?

    Summits [in] Wales [and] England Above Two Thousand [feet]

    Now known as the HEWITTs

    Hills [in] England Wales [and] Ireland [over] Two Thousand [feet]

    By the way, there were a few errors in the original SWEATs list as published in the Relative
    Hills of Britain book, since corrected in the HEWITTs list. For example, Corn Du was included as
    a SWEAT but

    OK. That leads onto another question:-

    How many ways are there of classifying hill/mountain tops?
    1. Munros
    2. Corbetts
    3. SWEATS (HEWITTS)
    4. Marilyns
    5. Wainwrights
    6. ?? 7 ?? 8 ?? ? Etc.

    Then again, why the need to group things together at all? Is it not equally valid to want to climb
    all hills beginning with the letter 'A', everything within 10 miles of, say Fort William, hilltops
    with a trig point, hilltops without a trig point etc, etc.

    I know people like to collect things, to tick things off a list, but is this all there is to it?

    Dave

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