Troll food

Buck said:

I think it is safe to say despite the assurances of the Troll that this
group is dead.

I am going through the motions of setting up a new recumbent newsgroup,
it will have a mild amount of moderation, only to weed out the trolls
and the spam.

My kill files currently reduce this group to around 6 to 8 subject lines
at any one time,
on topic posts are still full of Troll [censored], time to close it down.

Sounds like a great idea to me. I have been using my filters to ignore
the Troll.

Buck said:

I think it is safe to say despite the assurances of the Troll that
this group is dead.

I am going through the motions of setting up a new recumbent
newsgroup, it will have a mild amount of moderation, only to weed out
the trolls and the spam.

My kill files currently reduce this group to around 6 to 8 subject
lines at any one time,
on topic posts are still full of Troll [censored], time to close it down.

You are going to set up a moderated list on the basis that you can't handle
the existence of one troll? No wonder usenet is dying.

I only lurk here because, whilst I love my Greenspeed trike, I don't really
have a lot to say about it and frankly, would rather spend time riding it
than writing about riding it.

I'm sure there are enough posters lurking here that could and would answer a
question if I needed to ask one, as I would happly give an answer or an
opinion if someone asked for advice or an opinion that I felt I could assist
with.

Would I join a moderated usenet list? Nope. There are plenty of web forums,
mail lists and e-groups that do that job more than adequately if censorship
is your thing.

'n

"Ian George" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Buck said:

I think it is safe to say despite the assurances of the Troll that
this group is dead.

I am going through the motions of setting up a new recumbent
newsgroup, it will have a mild amount of moderation, only to weed out
the trolls and the spam.

My kill files currently reduce this group to around 6 to 8 subject
lines at any one time,
on topic posts are still full of Troll [censored], time to close it down.

You are going to set up a moderated list on the basis that you can't
handle the existence of one troll? No wonder usenet is dying.

I only lurk here because, whilst I love my Greenspeed trike, I don't
really have a lot to say about it and frankly, would rather spend time
riding it than writing about riding it.

I'm sure there are enough posters lurking here that could and would answer
a question if I needed to ask one, as I would happly give an answer or an
opinion if someone asked for advice or an opinion that I felt I could
assist with.

Would I join a moderated usenet list? Nope. There are plenty of web
forums, mail lists and e-groups that do that job more than adequately if
censorship is your thing.

'n

Well said!

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Ian George said:

Would I join a moderated usenet list? Nope. There are plenty of web forums,
mail lists and e-groups that do that job more than adequately if censorship
is your thing.

'n

Well, I have joined moderated groups. As I found out; I had
inadvertedly posted here on ARBR and I found my posts all over the web
(and usually out of context) in several groups; so I just joined each
one with a different alias.

I figured that the best 'killfile' was between my ears and I rather
enjoy comments from "way out in left field" (and relish my own
posession of my humor and/or controllable sanity). There is a limit
to postings, and when encountered - I just imagine an "ignore" button.

Then I have the energy to go outside and swear at that damn
alignment.... >:-(

On Mar 8, 12:09 am, Buck <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I think it is safe to say despite the assurances of the Troll that this
group is dead.

I am going through the motions of setting up a new recumbent newsgroup,
it will have a mild amount of moderation, only to weed out the trolls
and the spam.

My kill files currently reduce this group to around 6 to 8 subject
lines at any one time,
on topic posts are still full of Troll [censored], time to close it down.
--
Three wheels good, two wheels ok

www.catrike.co.uk

I invite all your friends who don't like it here to join with you and
leave the group to never return. Take with you the people who like to
write nasty poetry about other people and think it is all good and
fair to do it because they give that person the name of troll. Take
your Johnny jackboots(nocom) with you too, we don't need dumb [censored] to
mess up our group.
Don't like it here then leave. It is just that simple. We clear cut
in the forest so that new seedlings can be planted. I just got a stihl
sm260 and it cuts damn fast.

Quoted message said:

Ian George said:

Would I join a moderated usenet list? Nope. There are plenty of web forums,
mail lists and e-groups that do that job more than adequately if censorship
is your thing.

'n

Well, I have joined moderated groups. As I found out; I had
inadvertedly posted here on ARBR and I found my posts all over the web
(and usually out of context) in several groups; so I just joined each
one with a different alias.

I figured that the best 'killfile' was between my ears and I rather
enjoy comments from "way out in left field" (and relish my own
posession of my humor and/or controllable sanity). There is a limit
to postings, and when encountered - I just imagine an "ignore" button.

Then I have the energy to go outside and swear at that damn
alignment.... >:-(

Eco! Still didn't get the thing aligned? Are you supposed to have toe-in
or out? This adjustment should be cut and dry, but there might be
something we are missing.

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Ian George said:

Would I join a moderated usenet list? Nope. There are plenty of web
forums,
mail lists and e-groups that do that job more than adequately if
censorship
is your thing.

'n

Well, I have joined moderated groups. As I found out; I had
inadvertedly posted here on ARBR and I found my posts all over the web
(and usually out of context) in several groups; so I just joined each
one with a different alias.

I figured that the best 'killfile' was between my ears and I rather
enjoy comments from "way out in left field" (and relish my own
posession of my humor and/or controllable sanity). There is a limit
to postings, and when encountered - I just imagine an "ignore" button.

Then I have the energy to go outside and swear at that damn
alignment.... >:-(

ECO (engineering change order?)

Probably the reason you found your messages propagating like the diaspora is
that you replied to a massively cross-posted thread. You can view the
posting destination in the newreader and use click and drag editing to
remove the destinations not desired to keep the reply to the relevent
group(s).

Just curious about the alignment problem; have you been able to contact the
manufacturer for instructions on resolving the problem?

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Joel said:

Eco! Still didn't get the thing aligned? Are you supposed to have toe-in
or out? This adjustment should be cut and dry, but there might be
something we are missing.

Quick detour for alignment (!) I had the trike adjusted perfectly- 0
toe-in, 0 toe-out with my weight for frame flex. Went great for about
2 miles. Went in my own driveway- that bump knocked it right out of
alignment- coasted about 10 feet- stopped dead ( should have rolled
backwards due to grade but it did not move).

Loosened all 4 nuts (hein joint on the L & R ends) turned the end
right where it was in the first place- aligned! Tighten everything
up, ride a few more easy miles, hit a pothole- slowed way down. That
time I was too far to get yardsticks to measure front/back of wheels,
so I guessed- just loosed and removed one side. Twisted it, put it
back together- good enough to get home.

Owners manual says how important alignment is, and to check it often,
but 0 toe is great- if it will stay there!

<[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Joel said:

Eco! Still didn't get the thing aligned? Are you supposed to have toe-in
or out? This adjustment should be cut and dry, but there might be
something we are missing.

Quick detour for alignment (!) I had the trike adjusted perfectly- 0
toe-in, 0 toe-out with my weight for frame flex. Went great for about
2 miles. Went in my own driveway- that bump knocked it right out of
alignment- coasted about 10 feet- stopped dead ( should have rolled
backwards due to grade but it did not move).

Loosened all 4 nuts (hein joint on the L & R ends) turned the end
right where it was in the first place- aligned! Tighten everything
up, ride a few more easy miles, hit a pothole- slowed way down. That
time I was too far to get yardsticks to measure front/back of wheels,
so I guessed- just loosed and removed one side. Twisted it, put it
back together- good enough to get home.

Owners manual says how important alignment is, and to check it often,
but 0 toe is great- if it will stay there!

Are the tie rods straight, as in not bent? Do you use blue Loc-Tite on the
threads? If jam nuts are tight and the threads have Loc-Tite on them, there
shouldn't be any change to toe-in unless the unobvious is happening. Loose
king pin bearings, loose axle nuts, bent tie rods, worn Heim joints (ball
joints...spherical ball ends), loose or worn headset bearings on the stem,
etc.

Can you post a link to a photo of your trike so we can get a better idea of
the front end mechanism and geometry?

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"Buck" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:2007030808090475249-SPAMTRAPian@trikesandstuffDOTcoDOTuk...

Quoted message said:

I think it is safe to say despite the assurances of the Troll that this
group is dead.

I am going through the motions of setting up a new recumbent newsgroup,
it will have a mild amount of moderation, only to weed out the trolls and
the spam.

My kill files currently reduce this group to around 6 to 8 subject lines
at any one time,
on topic posts are still full of Troll [censored], time to close it down.
--
Three wheels good, two wheels ok

www.catrike.co.uk

If the group gets shut down, shouldn't that be in the perview of it's
originator, M*rt*n Kr**g, the king of cross posting. It is his group, not
Catrike Buck of the U, which is a bit ironic as M*rt*n has been in my kill
file since the first week I suscribed to the group in "99.

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Quoted message said:

Joel said:

Eco! Still didn't get the thing aligned? Are you supposed to have toe-in
or out? This adjustment should be cut and dry, but there might be
something we are missing.

Quick detour for alignment (!) I had the trike adjusted perfectly- 0
toe-in, 0 toe-out with my weight for frame flex. Went great for about
2 miles. Went in my own driveway- that bump knocked it right out of
alignment- coasted about 10 feet- stopped dead ( should have rolled
backwards due to grade but it did not move).

Loosened all 4 nuts (hein joint on the L & R ends) turned the end
right where it was in the first place- aligned! Tighten everything
up, ride a few more easy miles, hit a pothole- slowed way down. That
time I was too far to get yardsticks to measure front/back of wheels,
so I guessed- just loosed and removed one side. Twisted it, put it
back together- good enough to get home.

Owners manual says how important alignment is, and to check it often,
but 0 toe is great- if it will stay there!

It sounds like a thread on one of the connections is loose and or
stripped. So when ever you hit a bump it pulls out. Maybe a bad tie-rod
end or tie-rod.

gotbent said:

If the group gets shut down, shouldn't that be in the perview of it's
originator, M*rt*n Kr**g, the king of cross posting. It is his group, not
Catrike Buck of the U, which is a bit ironic as M*rt*n has been in my kill
file since the first week I suscribed to the group in "99.

No, once you start a non-moderated group, it belongs to anyone that
posts to it - and to no one. FWIW, I haven't seen a posting from He
That Will Not Be Mentioned in a very long time. His march/ride across
the U.S. didn't quite live up to the hyperbole either.

And I wait for his two volume autobiography, to be released with an
Old and a New Testament...

Sorry, I'm not a MK fan.

Curtis L. Russell
Odenton, MD (USA)
Just someone on two wheels...

On Mar 8, 2:09 am, Buck <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I think it is safe to say despite the assurances of the Troll that this
group is dead.

I am going through the motions of setting up a new recumbent newsgroup,
it will have a mild amount of moderation, only to weed out the trolls
and the spam.

My kill files currently reduce this group to around 6 to 8 subject
lines at any one time,
on topic posts are still full of Troll [censored], time to close it down.

How does one make a non-subjective determination of what is and what
is not a "troll" post?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
POST FREE OR DIE!

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

On Mar 8, 2:09 am, Buck <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I think it is safe to say despite the assurances of the Troll that this
group is dead.

I am going through the motions of setting up a new recumbent newsgroup,
it will have a mild amount of moderation, only to weed out the trolls
and the spam.

My kill files currently reduce this group to around 6 to 8 subject
lines at any one time,
on topic posts are still full of Troll [censored], time to close it down.

How does one make a non-subjective determination of what is and what
is not a "troll" post?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
POST FREE OR DIE!

Tom you really don't need an example of a Troll do you? If it isn't
obvious to you it is to most of us here. If someone on there own tries
to destroy conversation or berates other users he is a troll! better yet
here is the Webopedia def: (v.) (1) To deliberately post derogatory or
inflammatory comments to a community forum, chat room, newsgroup and/or
a blog in order to bait other users into responding.

Joel joelw135atcomcast.net said:

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

On Mar 8, 2:09 am, Buck <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I think it is safe to say despite the assurances of the Troll that this
group is dead.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I am going through the motions of setting up a new recumbent newsgroup,
it will have a mild amount of moderation, only to weed out the trolls
and the spam.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

My kill files currently reduce this group to around 6 to 8 subject
lines at any one time,
on topic posts are still full of Troll [censored], time to close it down.

Quoted message said:

How does one make a non-subjective determination of what is and what
is not a "troll" post?

Quoted message said:

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
POST FREE OR DIE!

Tom you really don't need an example of a Troll do you? If it isn't
obvious to you it is to most of us here. If someone on there own tries
to destroy conversation or berates other users he is a troll! better yet
here is the Webopedia def: (v.) (1) To deliberately post derogatory or
inflammatory comments to a community forum, chat room, newsgroup and/or
a blog in order to bait other users into responding.

butbutbut [1], what about the gray areas? It is all too easy to step
over the line and over moderate a discussion, where the moderators
take on condescending and/or authoritarian airs. I believe there are
sufficient well known examples of this that I need not post an
example.

You seem to be using "troll" as a noun, e.g., "Following his purchase
of a bottle of Livingston Cellars Red Rose, the troll retreated to his
4th Avenue hovel". There is also use of "troll" as a verb, e.g. Johnny
Sunset trolled alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent by contending that an ISO
305-mm front wheel combined with an ISO 406-mm rear wheel is the ideal
combination for a user friendly lowracer. The latter is on-topic, and
would not by logic be considered disruptive or destructive to the
group, yet it is still a troll, since it is attempting to elicit
responses.

[1] As g.daniels might write.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
POST FREE OR DIE!

"Ian George" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Would I join a moderated usenet list? Nope. There are plenty of web
forums, mail lists and e-groups that do that job more than adequately if
censorship is your thing.

I don't think I'd join a moderated group either although I could probably be
accused of being one of the biggest troll baiters. BROL really does the
trick for moderated bent talk. This group is far from dead especially
lately. I think that the trolls can be confined and that good conversation
can occur around them.

Jeff

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tom you really don't need an example of a Troll do you? If it isn't
obvious to you it is to most of us here. If someone on there own tries
to destroy conversation or berates other users he is a troll! better yet
here is the Webopedia def: (v.) (1) To deliberately post derogatory or
inflammatory comments to a community forum, chat room, newsgroup and/or
a blog in order to bait other users into responding.

butbutbut [1], what about the gray areas? It is all too easy to step
over the line and over moderate a discussion, where the moderators
take on condescending and/or authoritarian airs. I believe there are
sufficient well known examples of this that I need not post an
example.

You seem to be using "troll" as a noun, e.g., "Following his purchase
of a bottle of Livingston Cellars Red Rose, the troll retreated to his
4th Avenue hovel". There is also use of "troll" as a verb, e.g. Johnny
Sunset trolled alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent by contending that an ISO
305-mm front wheel combined with an ISO 406-mm rear wheel is the ideal
combination for a user friendly lowracer. The latter is on-topic, and
would not by logic be considered disruptive or destructive to the
group, yet it is still a troll, since it is attempting to elicit
responses.

Tom, you are selecting parts of the def that you want to and ignoring
others. It works great in debates or politics but here it only serves to
obfuscate.

"To deliberately post derogatory or inflammatory commenats to (laundry list)
in order to bait other users into responding"

All usenet messages are an invitation to respond. If you post something that
is not derogatory or inflammatory then you are not being a troll or engaging
in troll like behavior.

But you know this already. Don't take the second half of the sentence and
ignore the first half. Talking about ISO 406 mm rear wheels on a lowracer is
not trolling. If you were to say instead "Only idiots and morons would use
ISO 406 mm rear wheels on a low racer." and then follow it up with some
remark about where the poster is from or their ethnicity, political views,
or gender. Then you've trolled.

Jeff

Jeff Grippe said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tom you really don't need an example of a Troll do you? If it isn't
obvious to you it is to most of us here. If someone on there own tries
to destroy conversation or berates other users he is a troll! better yet
here is the Webopedia def: (v.) (1) To deliberately post derogatory or
inflammatory comments to a community forum, chat room, newsgroup and/or
a blog in order to bait other users into responding.

butbutbut [1], what about the gray areas? It is all too easy to step
over the line and over moderate a discussion, where the moderators
take on condescending and/or authoritarian airs. I believe there are
sufficient well known examples of this that I need not post an
example.

You seem to be using "troll" as a noun, e.g., "Following his purchase
of a bottle of Livingston Cellars Red Rose, the troll retreated to his
4th Avenue hovel". There is also use of "troll" as a verb, e.g. Johnny
Sunset trolled alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent by contending that an ISO
305-mm front wheel combined with an ISO 406-mm rear wheel is the ideal
combination for a user friendly lowracer. The latter is on-topic, and
would not by logic be considered disruptive or destructive to the
group, yet it is still a troll, since it is attempting to elicit
responses.

Tom, you are selecting parts of the def that you want to and ignoring
others. It works great in debates or politics but here it only serves to
obfuscate.

"To deliberately post derogatory or inflammatory commenats to (laundry list)
in order to bait other users into responding"

All usenet messages are an invitation to respond. If you post something that
is not derogatory or inflammatory then you are not being a troll or engaging
in troll like behavior.

But you know this already. Don't take the second half of the sentence and
ignore the first half. Talking about ISO 406 mm rear wheels on a lowracer is
not trolling. If you were to say instead "Only idiots and morons would use
ISO 406 mm rear wheels on a low racer." and then follow it up with some
remark about where the poster is from or their ethnicity, political views,
or gender. Then you've trolled.

Jeff

It is very oblivious to me and most others here that the Troll finds
delight in the destruction of the news group, and others have just stood
there and allowed it to happen by answering him, instead of blocking him
as I have done. This news group could remain alive, if you all did the
same. And between you and me if we all would grow up and not be baited
into a useless debate over a lowlife then we would all be better off. I
use BROL, but if there was another moderated group I would join, just to
hear other benters views on subjects.

Joel

"Jeff Grippe" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
news:[email hidden]...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Tom you really don't need an example of a Troll do you? If it isn't
obvious to you it is to most of us here. If someone on there own tries
to destroy conversation or berates other users he is a troll! better yet
here is the Webopedia def: (v.) (1) To deliberately post derogatory or
inflammatory comments to a community forum, chat room, newsgroup and/or
a blog in order to bait other users into responding.

butbutbut [1], what about the gray areas? It is all too easy to step
over the line and over moderate a discussion, where the moderators
take on condescending and/or authoritarian airs. I believe there are
sufficient well known examples of this that I need not post an
example.

You seem to be using "troll" as a noun, e.g., "Following his purchase
of a bottle of Livingston Cellars Red Rose, the troll retreated to his
4th Avenue hovel". There is also use of "troll" as a verb, e.g. Johnny
Sunset trolled alt.rec.bicycles.recumbent by contending that an ISO
305-mm front wheel combined with an ISO 406-mm rear wheel is the ideal
combination for a user friendly lowracer. The latter is on-topic, and
would not by logic be considered disruptive or destructive to the
group, yet it is still a troll, since it is attempting to elicit
responses.

Tom, you are selecting parts of the def that you want to and ignoring
others. It works great in debates or politics but here it only serves to
obfuscate.

"To deliberately post derogatory or inflammatory commenats to (laundry
list) in order to bait other users into responding"

All usenet messages are an invitation to respond. If you post something
that is not derogatory or inflammatory then you are not being a troll or
engaging in troll like behavior.

But you know this already. Don't take the second half of the sentence and
ignore the first half. Talking about ISO 406 mm rear wheels on a lowracer
is not trolling. If you were to say instead "Only idiots and morons would
use ISO 406 mm rear wheels on a low racer." and then follow it up with
some remark about where the poster is from or their ethnicity, political
views, or gender. Then you've trolled.

Jeff

In the noun sense (not nonsense) a troll is a grumpy figure that lives under
bridges and eats little children, or some such folk lore. In the good old
days when I owned a two cycle, three cylinder, oil injected SAAB 96, I had a
decal supplied by SAAB that said...Made in Trollhatton by Trolls, and I had
a little troll doll hanging from my rearview mirror. It was three inches
high and had blue hair and a pot belly; not very grumpy at all.

In the verb sense, troll is something fishermen do with small quiet motors
on their boats to slowly drag their bait and attract fish.

In the Usenet sense the verb part seems to be to toss out a post to attract
discussion and the noun sense attracts grumpy children eaters not only to
take the bait, but to attack the fisherman. Usenet is a bastion of free
speech, but not so a dictum of decorum and friendliness, but the
participants can be decorious and friendly. We can ignore posts and posters.
We can choose to be part of a friendly community and we can choose
participate in kind.

What helps to maintain civility is to accept posters foibles. Critism of
style is largely useless. Maintaining a civil discourse is not necessarily
easy, but that is the measure of Usenet's power and attractiveness as
opposed to the Stepford wifeness of moderated boards. Those have their
place. Personal attacks and verbal denigration are enforced by the
particular prejudices of the moderator. Many participants seem to be overly
sycophantic and react like Bushian Republicans to any deviation from their
preconceptions of the high prupose of living the recumbent life. Personally
I visit there, but then I like to visit here where I can let my hair down,
drink a beer with friends and pass that spliff around.

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