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  1. Remember that topic I posted about crown ideas a while back? Well I'm
    sure quite a lot of you doubted that I'd ever get this done, but here's
    to prove the doubters wrong:

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    OT4 Titanium, hand-made in the Triton factory in Russia. After I put
    forward my first design and after lots of small modifications after
    looking at and borrowing beneficial aspects from current frames on the
    market, I present to you the new Triton Sponge frame.

    Right now, I have no idea of retail price, but production models won't
    be made until these 2 have been given extensive testing and thrashing
    to see if it's up to the stresses of trials. I must emphasise that I
    myself am a trials rider and I designed this for trials (but also made
    it friendly for those who wanted to glide). The corners of the crown
    have been rounded so there is even less chance of getting leg-bash
    during sloppy sidehops. I've also included a small plate under the
    seattube neck so as to prevent grime and mud from burrowing itself into
    the frame's tubes.

    I know a lot of flatlanders will complain, but seriously, this wasn't
    designed for flat. It was designed for purely trials (but with a
    glide-able crown), I strongly wanted to avoid a simple round crown
    partly for aesthetic reasons and also because this crown design is one
    of the strongest I could go for considering the thickest tubing I could
    use was 1mm thick. A flat crown like on the Black domina or KH would
    not work well with 1mm thick tubing, hence I scrapped that idea a long
    time ago.

    The bearing holders look similar to those of the 2004 KH, as it would
    be so expensive to produce fully machined bearing holders (without any
    welds). I have put threads in the bottom half holders rather than those
    top half ones welded to the legs because, say if you strip threads
    somehow... (which is very hard to do with titanium compared to
    aluminium) then you wouldn't be totally screwed as you can just replace
    the bottom half holders. So this frame is therefore totally threadless,
    but incorporates a KH-style bearing holder system, (only reverse).

    I don't know the weights of these yet, but they are light for sure.

    Last of all, many thanks to Dmitry (a friend and Triton consultant),
    Michael (the engineer), and Andrei (the welder) for letting me
    materialise my ideas. 🙂

    I am expecting the retail price to be quite high, though I have no
    control over it. Definitely over £100 though, maybe similar price to
    the XTP... but to be honest, for a hand-made titanium frame, it really
    isn't too bad a price considering custom titanium bike frames can cost
    around £500-£1000!

    I'm not expecting or wanting this to be a mass-produced thing, just an
    option for the trials enthusiasts out there who want something quality.
    This is my contribution to the unicycle community, and I hope you share
    my interest and enthusiasm.

    Enjoy. 🙂

    NB: yes, it does look rather like the Quax alu frame! A pleasant
    surprise, when I first saw the frames.

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  2. They look sweet

    Realy nice work 🙂

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  3. That looks amazing, well done that is one sexy frame. Hope the extensive
    testing goes well. Have you weighed it yet?

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  4. Very nice.

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  5. WoW! :eek:

    I like 🙂 I'm not even a trials rider, but I can sure appreciate nice
    work. I'll be watching regarding price and availability also. My son
    is starting to get into trials and he's quite small. So weight does
    matter. It's tough for a 65 pound kid to toss around a beefy uni 🙂

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  6. Awesome frame looks just kick ass just one question was it vacuum welded
    or just purged?

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  7. I want to hear the results of testing too. Those look amazing :eek:
    Nice Job!

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    Brian O. said:


    brendan said:


    when i flex both arms one looks puny next to the other. Mind you it was
    that way after years of badminton...

    And maybe playing a little too much with the shuttlecock as well?
    Hmm? 😉


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  8. I don't think you could keep them in stock. It doesn't even have to be
    lighter then a KH. Not that greater strength, lighter weight isn't
    important. The coolness factor of ti is such (could you treat it
    somehow to get that rainbow jewelry effect some ti stuff has ?), that I
    am sure a small production run would sell off quick at several times
    that price.
    I did not read any previous threads about this. What does the sponge
    part refer to ?

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  9. Whoop!!! You finaly have them!

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  10. feel the light said:

    I did not read any previous threads about this. What does the sponge
    part refer to ?

    I'm pretty sure it's about his username

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  11. I couldn't take my eyes off the frames! And not just regular titanium,
    these were made from titanium sponge ! Sounds much lighter and high
    tech then just plain old ti doesn't it?:o
    Oh well, I still want some. I think you should gear up and do other
    frame sizes as well. Really nice !

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  12. I was looking around for some picks of colorful ti systems I have seen
    before. It appears they come from the factory silver, and pick up
    rainbow hues as a sort of bluing effect from engine heat. I thought
    they came like that. Maybe I will get one and use it as a muffler for a
    little while before I put the wheel on. I want my welds to look like
    that !

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  13. I have a lot of used titanium exhuast systems for my motorcycles. Maybe
    I can send them to him and I'll be able to get the effect your taling
    about. BTW, the pic you posted is different than mine. Mine have like
    an awsome purple blue-ish, raw titanium look. Their badass, I'm just
    not sure if he could do it or not.

    Also, titanium is very difficult to weld, so I hear. So as for the
    craftsmanship, it looks top notch. I'm definatley interested in what
    the testing reveals about your design. Good work

    feel the light said:

    I was looking around for some picks of colorful ti systems I have seen
    before. It appears they come from the factory silver, and pick up
    rainbow hues as a sort of bluing effect from engine heat. I thought
    they came like that. Maybe I will get one and use it as a muffler for a
    little while before I put the wheel on. I want my welds to look like
    that !

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  14. Thank you for the positive comments so far, 🙂

    I've been really bogged down with the new AS work, as it's such a
    surprising jump up from GCSE. Two long and boring history essays to do
    this evening, so my first post was not as descriptive as I wanted it to
    be.

    However, to answer some questions so far,

    I don't think we'll really be able to carry out that coloured weld
    effect, I'm not 100% on that, there is a chance maybe it can be done,
    but I have to ask the welder about that.

    Price-wise, I said it'd definitely be over £100, but that doesn't mean
    £110 or so, I'm guessing around the £185 mark or even more (similar to
    XTP price), it depends on Dmitry. Titanium is very expensive.

    Another good thing about Ti is that if it ever cracks, then you could
    just get it rewelded without having to worry about heat treating. I'm
    not an expert on titanium welding myself, but the general idea about a
    lot of Ti frames is that they can be rewelded time and time again
    whilst maintaining excellent strength the whole way through (just look
    at "The Ti" formerly used by Dan heaton and zack baldwin, that frame
    has been rewelded and is around 5-6 years old and still going strong).

    I shall let you know how the frames are performing and responding to
    testing. But it will be a while before they go on sale, unfortunately.
    (However in small quantities only as they take a long time to each be
    made and materials are limited).

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  15. great work man, its great to see someone pushing the limits for
    equipment!

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  16. Congats on a truly exceptional and groundbreaking frame!

    Any chance you could have extra bearing holders made up? I would
    definitely buy them for my frames, as the local ti welder I spoke to
    thought that would be the hardest part to make.

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  17. -I have put threads in the bottom half holders rather than those top
    half ones welded to the legs because, say if you strip threads
    somehow... (which is very hard to do with titanium compared to
    aluminium) then you wouldn't be totally screwed as you can just replace
    the bottom half holders. So this frame is therefore totally threadless,
    but incorporates a KH-style bearing holder system, (only reverse).-

    Am I missing something here, or just being stupid, but what I see in
    the photos is the thread in the top half holders, welded to the frame
    and the opposite of what you are saying.

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  18. those are amzing frames! I love em

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  19. ian.stockwell said:

    -I have put threads in the bottom half holders rather than those top
    half ones welded to the legs because, say if you strip threads
    somehow... (which is very hard to do with titanium compared to
    aluminium) then you wouldn't be totally screwed as you can just replace
    the bottom half holders. So this frame is therefore totally threadless,
    but incorporates a KH-style bearing holder system, (only reverse).-

    Am I missing something here, or just being stupid, but what I see in
    the photos is the thread in the top half holders, welded to the frame
    and the opposite of what you are saying.

    Mmm, good point actually. That is actually quite bizarre, as I
    specifically designed and requested for the threads to be in the bottom
    halves. I haven't got the frames with me right now, so I'll have to
    check properly later. No big deal anyway. Titanium threads are more
    than strong enough, considering no one really even strips the alu
    threads on KH frames.

    I'll talk to Dmitry about this, to see what's happened, as I said, no
    big deal really.

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  20. that looks amazing

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