tricks!

thanks for clearing that up!

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gkmac said:

Does anyone else think that many tricks are just for showing off? Or am
I missing the point?

The purpose of any trick, or even skill, is relative to the rider.
Idling and hopping, by your definitions, are skills, because they
manipulate the unicycle and the terrain to your benefit. However, when
I'm riding down a street and I have to wait for a car to pass, I have
two choices (well 3, actually): Idling, pogoing, or dismounting. Some
people just don't do idling, so it doesn't have a purpose, or maybe
someone is tired out too fast from hopping in place, or maybe they just
wanted to dismount for some reason.

Hell, just riding the unicycle doesn't have much purpose (unless you
are commuting) besides the exercise, which can be easily gained a
plethora of other ways. If Paul Royle did a 29er unispin offroad, I
doubt it was purposeless; he wanted to enjoy myself. That's a noble
purpose that is pretty much the basis for sports in general.

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There has been at least 3 threaths on the trick/skill issue.
That's less than the seat/saddle issue.

According a dictionary the word trick come from Europe.
As in French AND English it is related to the word "trucage",
I prefer to use the word "skill".
And suggest to continue this topic at one of those treaths.

Anyway, suggestions for natiag;
If you are an beginner, those levels as John Childs offered, are
recommended (at least by me).
Here is the same list, with video-examples
http://www.unicyclist.org/cont/levels.cfm

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Gk

I think you are missing the point. To say that tricks are just for
showing off and skills are really useful doesn't really make sense.
After all, how useful is it to be able to ride down a mountainside on a
unicycle? There are other easier and safer ways to do it.

By definition a unicycle is not really "useful" anything we do on
unicycles we do for the challenge and enjoyment of doing it. For some
people it's enough of a challenge to just get over the obstacles but
for others it is more interesting and fun to add a degree of difficulty
with a crankflip or a uni-spin.

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One-footed anything is a skill because it vastly improves your body's
understanding of the parts of the pedalling cycle.

For my part, I'm going for skicks and trills.

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gkmac said:

Does anyone else think that many tricks are just for showing off? Or am
I missing the point?

You've missed the point.

A skill is what you learn to do on a unicycle. It doesn't matter if
it's impressive or not. It doesn't matter if it's useful or not.

A trick is a skill or set of skills done to impress, like when doing a
show or performance. A trick may be done with more polish and more
presentation.

Pointing out the difference is quixotic. I'm not taking the quest to
clean up the usage of the words "skill" and "trick" seriously. It's
just a fun jab to make and that was the reason for the winking smiley.

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Heck, just riding a unicycle is a trick in itself.

But in terms of going from point A to point B almost all "skills" in
the ten levels helps improve your riding in other areas.

Examples:
*One foot riding - helps to find the dead spot of the petal
*Gliding - helps to fine tune the ballance point
*Hop 180 - helpful in tials and muni
*Idle one footed backwards
Other "skills" are of little use other than amusing the rider (more so
I think), and others:
*Ten different mounts - other than roll back and static mount with both
feet, the rest are just for fun and show.
*Crankflip
*unispin
*Spin
*wheel walking
etc.
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If you really want the arguement to be ended, here is the undeniable
proof.. I'm not sure who said it first, but this is how nickvb123
basically describes it.

Trick refers to trickery, or creating the illusion that you're doing
something you're really not. If you can trick people in to thinking
you're wheel walking, for example, when you're really not wheel walking
at all. Then you can call it a trick.

Just becaue skaters got it wrong, we don't have to follow them in
everything they do. I personally hope we don't all become like skaters.

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I think it sounds better to say I have mad skills than mad tricks.

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trials_uni said:

Ha Quebec...Is that place still there?

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dudewithasock said:

I think it sounds better to say I have mad skills than mad tricks.

i'd rather say i've got mad party tricks than i've got mad party
skills.

but i'd call the unicycling ones skills for sure, a non-rider would
call them tricks.

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Can we just end this thread please, cuz it's getting WAY off topic. My
original question was what skill/trick to learn first, and look what
this has turned into!
Many thanks to those who actualy ANSWERED the question.

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john_childs said:

Skills are what you learn. Tricks are
what you do to impress. 😉

(snip)

Quoted message said:

Jump rope is another (more of a trick than a skill).

So you don't have to learn jump rope? :-)

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KlownLife said:

I directed that post I gk, I didnt feel the need to address him as I
thought it would be the first post after his. Obviously, you beat me to
it.

Here's something that reading this community through Usenet (news) is
superior to accessing through the forum. I can see who reacts to whom,
irrespective of the time of posting. Posts are threaded
hierarchically.

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Robbie said:

Trick refers to trickery, or creating the illusion that you're doing
something you're really not. If you can trick people in to thinking
you're wheel walking, for example, when you're really not wheel walking
at all. Then you can call it a trick.

It would be a mad skill if I could trick people into thinking that I
was wheelwalking while I was actually not wheelwalking at all.

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Klaas Bil said:

john_childs said:

Skills are what you learn. Tricks are
what you do to impress. 😉

(snip)

Quoted message said:

Jump rope is another (more of a trick than a skill).

So you don't have to learn jump rope? :-)

Klaas Bil - Newsgroup Addict

You do have to learn and that part is a skill. Doing it well also
takes more practice. So yes, it is a skill.

I was making more of a tongue in cheek comment about jumping rope.
It's all about doing something that the audience perceives as very
impressive and view as very difficult. It's all about doing something
to impress.

Go out an jump rope on a unicycle for a crowd. They will instantly
think you are the best unicyclist ever. Now go out and do some tricks
that require real skill like fancy wheel walking or one footed spins
and the crowd will not be as impressed.

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john_childs said:

It's all about doing something that the audience perceives as very
impressive and view as very difficult. It's all about doing something
to impress.

Like all those hours of tape of the unicon I wade through.
All these Japanese that get applause for repeating spins (have'nt
noticed 1 single valid pirroute of 3 revolutions), still they get more
applause than others who do more stuff of an higher level.
Or even in Rayn Woessner's routine there are a couple of transitions
that are sick, but hardly get noticed. Same for Daiki.

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well, if people think you're good, they say you're *skilled*, not
*tricked*.

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Klaas Bil said:

KlownLife said:

I directed that post I gk, I didnt feel the need to address him as I
thought it would be the first post after his. Obviously, you beat me

to

Quoted message said:

it.

Here's something that reading this community through Usenet (news) is
superior to accessing through the forum. I can see who reacts to whom,
irrespective of the time of posting. Posts are threaded
hierarchically.

Here's something that reading this community through the forum
(unicyclist.com) is superior to accessing through Usenet. I can see the
reactions *immediately*, irrespective of the time of posting. Posts
appear immediately as opposed to being like buses, where they seem to
get held up and then all come along at once.

The forum also makes it possible to see who reacted to whom, far more
easily as indented italic white boxes stand out far more than blue text
on the same background, not to mention less scrolling up and down as a
heck more than 80 characters per line are used!

It does depend a little on whether they hit the "Quote" button to reply
to a post, but some Usenet users can trim quotes and accidentally rub
out the "Yesterday, gkmac posted" line as well.

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gkmac said:

Here's something that reading this community through the forum
(unicyclist.com) is superior to accessing through Usenet.

(snip)

You missed one. The main reason I sometimes post through the forum is
that it allows me to attach pictures. This is technically possible on
the newsgroup but not allowed as it is a text-only group.

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