Trek Madone 2008

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Quoted message said:

Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark?

Prices look like they will be about the same as for the 2007 model.
The base model will be around $3000.

Quoted message said:

Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
disappoint me already.

The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005, and has since dropped to
$7500 for the most-expensive offering, and $2700 for the least-expensive.
There has been no upward trend in the line's pricing. Where did you get the
idea that pricing had kicked up that high? Australian dollars, perhaps?

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
disappoint me already.

The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005 [snip]

Quoted message said:

Where did you get the
idea that pricing had kicked up that high?

You just admitted it had kicked up that high! Duh...

Troll Report said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
disappoint me already.

Quoted message said:

The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005 [snip]
Where did you get the
idea that pricing had kicked up that high?

You just admitted it had kicked up that high! Duh...

Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
begin to have the new Madones in store?
-Ron

Quoted message said:

Troll Report said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

> Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
> disappoint me already.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005 [snip]
Where did you get the
idea that pricing had kicked up that high?

Quoted message said:

You just admitted it had kicked up that high! Duh...

Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
begin to have the new Madones in store?
-Ron

Some Trek Dealers already have them. I don't know the pricing but
Bicycle Sport in Charlotte has some.

Quoted message said:

Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
begin to have the new Madones in store?
-Ron

New Madone 5.2 & 5.5s in compact crank model are presently shipping,
although no 60 or 62cm yet to the best of my knowledge. Triple 5.2s are
supposed to be shipping sometime soon.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
begin to have the new Madones in store?
-Ron

New Madone 5.2 & 5.5s in compact crank model are presently shipping,
although no 60 or 62cm yet to the best of my knowledge. Triple 5.2s are
supposed to be shipping sometime soon.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Ok Mike, since I can't get an answer from Lennard(he's in ITALY...poor
guy)_...so I want a Madone with Record, new UT crank..does Trek supply
the bearings or what? Same for shimano DA crank...Trek supplied BB
bearings?? How does that work? I saw the shimano carbon crank(never
say never) and it doesn't have 'cups' in the frame..what gives ohhh
Trekguru??

Gene said:

Quoted message said:

On Jul 2, 3:46 am, Troll Report <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:22:48 GMT, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
>> disappoint me already.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005 [snip]
> Where did you get the
> idea that pricing had kicked up that high?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

You just admitted it had kicked up that high! Duh...

Quoted message said:

Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
begin to have the new Madones in store?
-Ron

Some Trek Dealers already have them. I don't know the pricing but
Bicycle Sport in Charlotte has some.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My nearest Trek dealer has got a 5.2 I think in store - 54 cm. He said
I could test ride it and I am like sweet. He said the starting price
for the lower order model is 3500 moolah.

bicycle_disciple said:

Gene said:

On Jul 2, 8:47 am, [email hidden] wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

On Jul 2, 3:46 am, Troll Report <[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:22:48 GMT, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >> Will the Madone really break the 10,000 dollar mark? Geez, don't
> >> disappoint me already.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> > The Madone hit the $10k mark ($9999.99) in 2005 [snip]
> > Where did you get the
> > idea that pricing had kicked up that high?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> You just admitted it had kicked up that high! Duh...

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
begin to have the new Madones in store?
-Ron

Quoted message said:

Some Trek Dealers already have them. I don't know the pricing but
Bicycle Sport in Charlotte has some.- Hide quoted text -

Quoted message said:

- Show quoted text -

My nearest Trek dealer has got a 5.2 I think in store - 54 cm. He said
I could test ride it and I am like sweet. He said the starting price
for the lower order model is 3500 moolah.-

That is like so cool, dude. ;-)

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
begin to have the new Madones in store?
-Ron

New Madone 5.2 & 5.5s in compact crank model are presently shipping,
although no 60 or 62cm yet to the best of my knowledge. Triple 5.2s are
supposed to be shipping sometime soon.

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Ok Mike, since I can't get an answer from Lennard(he's in ITALY...poor
guy)_...so I want a Madone with Record, new UT crank..does Trek supply
the bearings or what? Same for shimano DA crank...Trek supplied BB
bearings?? How does that work? I saw the shimano carbon crank(never
say never) and it doesn't have 'cups' in the frame..what gives ohhh
Trekguru??

Well gosh, if you read our website, you'd know the answer. Or not, I might
not have included that info, but it's in the Trek link.

The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM, Shimano,
TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your favorite
old cranks on.

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
> could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
> begin to have the new Madones in store?
> -Ron

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

New Madone 5.2 & 5.5s in compact crank model are presently shipping,
although no 60 or 62cm yet to the best of my knowledge. Triple 5.2s are
supposed to be shipping sometime soon.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Quoted message said:

Ok Mike, since I can't get an answer from Lennard(he's in ITALY...poor
guy)_...so I want a Madone with Record, new UT crank..does Trek supply
the bearings or what? Same for shimano DA crank...Trek supplied BB
bearings?? How does that work? I saw the shimano carbon crank(never
say never) and it doesn't have 'cups' in the frame..what gives ohhh
Trekguru??

Well gosh, if you read our website, you'd know the answer. Or not, I might
not have included that info, but it's in the Trek link.

The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM, Shimano,
TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your favorite
old cranks on.

So, if these "pipe-style" cranks fade out, the frame will
be .....er....useless?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM,
Shimano,
TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your
favorite
old cranks on.

So, if these "pipe-style" cranks fade out, the frame will
be .....er....useless?

I wouldn't try to pretend that a current frame is going to be something
easily maintainable (as a bike) 15 years down the road.Without question we
have entered an era where "standards" mean something entirely different than
in the past, whether we're talking about bikes, cars, A/V gear, whatever.
This creates concern both real and illusory; the computer world is full of
stories about people who are scared to trust their photos to DVDs and hard
drives, not because they're worried either will suffer from deterioration
and fail, but because they think the day will come when they'll have no
means to read what's on the device.

If/when that day comes, whether for a bicycle frame or a DVD, it will not
happen without warning. Opportunities will exist to buy spares before
technologies go away. Inconvenient at times, to be sure, but if you're
buying something with an eye towards utility over 15+ years, that's a very
rare and unusual purchase.

I do still own a couple 30+ year old bicycles. A 1973 Cinelli road bike, and
a 1974 or thereabouts Benotto track bike. Yes, it's possible to still get
parts to keep each on the road, but, at least in the case of the Cinelli,
modern eqiupment far surpasses what that bike has to offer. Track bikes
haven't changed much over the years, nor likely will they much in the
future. But even so, I doubt many people buy track bikes thinking that it's
a once-in-a-lifetime investment. The Cinelli I keep around only for the
memories. I call it "The Iron Pig", an apt description of its abilities vs
modern machines.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM,
Shimano,
TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your
favorite
old cranks on.

Quoted message said:

So, if these "pipe-style" cranks fade out, the frame will
be .....er....useless?

I wouldn't try to pretend that a current frame is going to be something
easily maintainable (as a bike) 15 years down the road.Without question we
have entered an era where "standards" mean something entirely different than
in the past, whether we're talking about bikes, cars, A/V gear, whatever.
This creates concern both real and illusory; the computer world is full of
stories about people who are scared to trust their photos to DVDs and hard
drives, not because they're worried either will suffer from deterioration
and fail, but because they think the day will come when they'll have no
means to read what's on the device.

If/when that day comes, whether for a bicycle frame or a DVD, it will not
happen without warning. Opportunities will exist to buy spares before
technologies go away. Inconvenient at times, to be sure, but if you're
buying something with an eye towards utility over 15+ years, that's a very
rare and unusual purchase.

I do still own a couple 30+ year old bicycles. A 1973 Cinelli road bike, and
a 1974 or thereabouts Benotto track bike. Yes, it's possible to still get
parts to keep each on the road, but, at least in the case of the Cinelli,
modern eqiupment far surpasses what that bike has to offer. Track bikes
haven't changed much over the years, nor likely will they much in the
future. But even so, I doubt many people buy track bikes thinking that it's
a once-in-a-lifetime investment. The Cinelli I keep around only for the
memories. I call it "The Iron Pig", an apt description of its abilities vs
modern machines.

A simple "yes" would have been to the point.

Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
interface that also accepts other BB designs?

Ozark Bicycle said:

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

> The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM,
> Shimano,
> TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
> those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
> simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
> anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
> with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your
> favorite
> old cranks on.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

So, if these "pipe-style" cranks fade out, the frame will
be .....er....useless?

Quoted message said:

I wouldn't try to pretend that a current frame is going to be something
easily maintainable (as a bike) 15 years down the road.Without question we
have entered an era where "standards" mean something entirely different than
in the past, whether we're talking about bikes, cars, A/V gear, whatever.
This creates concern both real and illusory; the computer world is full of
stories about people who are scared to trust their photos to DVDs and hard
drives, not because they're worried either will suffer from deterioration
and fail, but because they think the day will come when they'll have no
means to read what's on the device.

Quoted message said:

If/when that day comes, whether for a bicycle frame or a DVD, it will not
happen without warning. Opportunities will exist to buy spares before
technologies go away. Inconvenient at times, to be sure, but if you're
buying something with an eye towards utility over 15+ years, that's a very
rare and unusual purchase.

Quoted message said:

I do still own a couple 30+ year old bicycles. A 1973 Cinelli road bike, and
a 1974 or thereabouts Benotto track bike. Yes, it's possible to still get
parts to keep each on the road, but, at least in the case of the Cinelli,
modern eqiupment far surpasses what that bike has to offer. Track bikes
haven't changed much over the years, nor likely will they much in the
future. But even so, I doubt many people buy track bikes thinking that it's
a once-in-a-lifetime investment. The Cinelli I keep around only for the
memories. I call it "The Iron Pig", an apt description of its abilities vs
modern machines.

A simple "yes" would have been to the point.

Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
interface that also accepts other BB designs?

butbutbut, with a conventional BB shell, it would not be like the
bikes the professionals ride!!!

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

On Jul 3, 6:21 pm, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM,
>> Shimano,
>> TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
>> those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
>> simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

>> What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
>> anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
>> with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your
>> favorite
>> old cranks on.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> So, if these "pipe-style" cranks fade out, the frame will
> be .....er....useless?

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I wouldn't try to pretend that a current frame is going to be something
easily maintainable (as a bike) 15 years down the road.Without question we
have entered an era where "standards" mean something entirely different than
in the past, whether we're talking about bikes, cars, A/V gear, whatever.
This creates concern both real and illusory; the computer world is full of
stories about people who are scared to trust their photos to DVDs and hard
drives, not because they're worried either will suffer from deterioration
and fail, but because they think the day will come when they'll have no
means to read what's on the device.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

If/when that day comes, whether for a bicycle frame or a DVD, it will not
happen without warning. Opportunities will exist to buy spares before
technologies go away. Inconvenient at times, to be sure, but if you're
buying something with an eye towards utility over 15+ years, that's a very
rare and unusual purchase.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I do still own a couple 30+ year old bicycles. A 1973 Cinelli road bike, and
a 1974 or thereabouts Benotto track bike. Yes, it's possible to still get
parts to keep each on the road, but, at least in the case of the Cinelli,
modern eqiupment far surpasses what that bike has to offer. Track bikes
haven't changed much over the years, nor likely will they much in the
future. But even so, I doubt many people buy track bikes thinking that it's
a once-in-a-lifetime investment. The Cinelli I keep around only for the
memories. I call it "The Iron Pig", an apt description of its abilities vs
modern machines.

Quoted message said:

A simple "yes" would have been to the point.

Quoted message said:

Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
interface that also accepts other BB designs?

butbutbut, with a conventional BB shell, it would not be like the
bikes the professionals ride!!!

You're right! That's very important to the members of Team Wannabe.

Quoted message said:

Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
interface that also accepts other BB designs?

Once you play with one, you'll wonder why it wasn't done years ago. The
bearings literally drop in. No force. No special tools needed. Take your
crankset out of the bike, replace the bearings, reinstall with only a 5mm
allen tool (for a Shimano crank). 5 minutes, seriously. This technology will
likely migrate downward and laterally; I see it as an even bigger advantage
for mountain bikes than for road.

--Mike--
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com

Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman said:

Ozark Bicycle said:

Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
interface that also accepts other BB designs?

butbutbut, with a conventional BB shell, it would not be like the
bikes the professionals ride!!!

IMHO, you guys have it backwards. The professionals
ride what the sponsors give them to ride, and the sponsors
give them the bikes that they want to sell to the punters.
The selling point is the same (supposed performance
advantage) but it's the punters who sell it to themselves.

In this case, I'm sure the move to oversized bottom
bracket fitting came about not because of some
racer-boy conspiracy, but because Chalo Colina was
recently appointed either God or Chief Trek Design
Engineer. I hope you infidels are ready for the
World According to Chalo.

Ben

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Geez, what is the advantage, aside from saving a little weight (little
enough so as not to be an actual issue to a recreational cyclist,
which is where most of these will be sold), of eliminating a threaded
interface that also accepts other BB designs?

Once you play with one, you'll wonder why it wasn't done years ago. The
bearings literally drop in. No force. No special tools needed. Take your
crankset out of the bike, replace the bearings, reinstall with only a 5mm
allen tool (for a Shimano crank). 5 minutes, seriously. This technology will
likely migrate downward and laterally; I see it as an even bigger advantage
for mountain bikes than for road.

That is fine, IF the manufacturers can agree on a standard system
instead of everyone having a different proprietary system with planned
obsolescence built in.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful

Mike Jacoubowsky said:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

> Ok. So for a middle range pro fit with ultegra sl components, what
> could be a price we can look at? When do you think Trek dealers could
> begin to have the new Madones in store?
> -Ron

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

New Madone 5.2 & 5.5s in compact crank model are presently shipping,
although no 60 or 62cm yet to the best of my knowledge. Triple 5.2s are
supposed to be shipping sometime soon.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA

Quoted message said:

Ok Mike, since I can't get an answer from Lennard(he's in ITALY...poor
guy)_...so I want a Madone with Record, new UT crank..does Trek supply
the bearings or what? Same for shimano DA crank...Trek supplied BB
bearings?? How does that work? I saw the shimano carbon crank(never
say never) and it doesn't have 'cups' in the frame..what gives ohhh
Trekguru??

Well gosh, if you read our website, you'd know the answer. Or not, I might
not have included that info, but it's in the Trek link.

The new frame will work with any pipe-style crank from Campy, SRAM, Shimano,
TruVativ, FSA and a couple others I forget. The bearings used for all of
those cranks are so similar it was not an issue for Trek to design very
simple kits that include a shaped washer to allow each to fit.

What will *not* work are any Octalink, ISIS, or square taper cranks. So
anything that's not current isn't going to work. Very wide compatibility
with current product, but it's not a frame you're going to use your favorite
old cranks on.

So no Zipp cranks, no Campagnolo triples, no way to use my 2006 Record
carbon CT crank. Not 'old' cranks at all. I would think that Trek
would have learned from Klein, Merlin, Gary Fisher about unique BB
shells.

Quoted message said:

--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReactionBicycles.com