Training Week Ending January 2, 2005

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: Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training
: week and goals.
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: cheers,
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: David (in Hamilton ON)
: www.absolutelyaccurate.com
: www.allfalldown.org
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Monday- 8 miles. 6 fast, 1.5 warmup and .5 warmdown
Tuesday- 5 miles temp
Wednesday- DNR
Thursday- 20 Miles LSD
Friday- DNR
Saturday- 5 Miles easy
Tomorrow- planning 5 Miles easy effort with hills

Planned Total: 43

5 weeks left till Tampa Bay Marathon. Hoping to finish without dying
towards the end. Not fast- just finish well. 4:30 would be fine with me.
One more 20-miler in 2 weeks, then taper.

First week back into my 2 1/2 harder days / week mode. May race an ultra in
Feb.

Sun: 8 mi moderate climb/easy down, 1600' of climb in 1:26. Lake to echo
mtn. in 35:50.
Mon: 8 mi easy, 700' of climb in 1:09:54. Fastest ever. Felt easy.
Tue: 11 mi. Tempo. 20 min w/u, 40 min moderately hard up a 960' hill, 40
min easy.
Wed: 8 mi easy, 700' climb, 1:12:53.
Thu: 10 mi. Speed. 25 min w/u, 10 x 440 moderate/hard, 25 min easy.
Fri: 6 mi easy, flat, 8:15/mile, on streets 'cause of rain.
Sat: 15 mi. 4760' climb. First 5 mi up moderate/hard. Old Mt. Wilson
trail to 1/2 way to Chantry & back. Hands painfully cold, turned back
early. Temps in 30's.

Total: 66 miles. 7760' of climb.

jan 1 2005
20 miles, .
serve God in Jesus name: A-Men

goal: is too....... walk ,hike, run, swim bike ride. (lift
weights,here) all 4 seasons outside.kya in miles for year 2005.
for all you people Who?
and......... a brain chats is brought to you by:the stalkers
strikers..........
How to find a job........) boss yes and people there bananas,nuts
psychos......
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e mail only.
they all already know who I am. so this one is already said: people
are:
kooks, trolls,,,,nerds with a oh yah probe. or a bad hair day. more
like going onto now 113 weeks..

I live off the streets. :>😉 were life is real........ a job, a
paycheck, WTF is that?
jan 1 2005 laundry , weights. maintenance.
20 miles ..............................
jan 2nd today. the day just started.

Bike all year, Bikers are bad, Biker be had, Bikers are mad, Biker be
glad.

Monday 5k ski machine
Tuesday am - weights (upper body) 6k ski machine pm
Wednesday off (the virus from hell begins)
Thursday off
Friday off
Saturday off
Sunday off
Goals:
Cure plantar fascitiis. I guess in a way being sick is helpful, no way can I
run.

"SwStudio" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training
week and goals.

cheers,
--
David (in Hamilton ON)
www.absolutelyaccurate.com
www.allfalldown.org

No running. ~6 hours a day of alpine skiing in the Pyrenees. Nice.

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
[email hidden] of 02 Jan 2005:

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Hands painfully cold, turned back early. Temps in 30's.

Hey Dan, I tried your idea of using surgical gloves under my regular
gloves. Didn't work for me, at least not in 45F temps. My hands were cold
and wet by the end of 5 miles. After trying various gloves, I ended up with
2 pairs of gloves. One glove Manzella PolarTec PowerStretch
http://tinyurl.com/5kdwb, over those I wear Sugoi wind mitts
http://tinyurl.com/6nehl. This may seem like overkill to most folks, but I
have a problem with cold hands in anything below 50F. So far, this is what
has worked for me.

Phil M.

mon: off
tues: 0:30 spincycle
wed: 0:41 ran easy
thur: off
fri: 0:50 walk incline treadmill
sat: 1:21 cycled, hr 147 (f'ing NICE New Year's day in NY)
sun: probably a long walk

Goals: Establish a strong cross-training base again, beginning this month.
Races in Summer, and perhaps the hatrun 50k in March if I'm able.

December was a planned easy month and I needed it. My schedules are hardly
worth posting here anymore as little can be learned by other runners from
impure training style. Still it was a helpful motivator for me to post here
as I ramped up for my 50k in Sept, and my marathon in Nov. Also I've
learned a lot from this group, so thank you all.

-Tony

Phil M. wrote in message ...

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Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
[email hidden] of 02 Jan 2005:

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Hands painfully cold, turned back early. Temps in 30's.

Hey Dan, I tried your idea of using surgical gloves under my regular
gloves. Didn't work for me, at least not in 45F temps. My hands were cold
and wet by the end of 5 miles. After trying various gloves, I ended up with
2 pairs of gloves. One glove Manzella PolarTec PowerStretch
http://tinyurl.com/5kdwb, over those I wear Sugoi wind mitts
http://tinyurl.com/6nehl. This may seem like overkill to most folks, but I
have a problem with cold hands in anything below 50F. So far, this is what
has worked for me.

Phil Phil my boy (opps I'm younger than you), your hands are cold because
you're not covering your arms adequately, and trying to keep your core warm
only with your vest and such. Try out my theory of covering your core less
and using equal or double layers on your arms (arm warmers under jersey for
example), along with gloves. Cold hands are exacerbated by having less arm
cover; works for me.

-Tony

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Phil M. wrote in message ...

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Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
[email hidden] of 02 Jan 2005:

Quoted message said:

Hands painfully cold, turned back early. Temps in 30's.

Hey Dan, I tried your idea of using surgical gloves under my regular
gloves. Didn't work for me, at least not in 45F temps. My hands were cold
and wet by the end of 5 miles. After trying various gloves, I ended up with
2 pairs of gloves. One glove Manzella PolarTec PowerStretch
http://tinyurl.com/5kdwb, over those I wear Sugoi wind mitts
http://tinyurl.com/6nehl. This may seem like overkill to most folks, but I
have a problem with cold hands in anything below 50F. So far, this is what
has worked for me.

Phil Phil my boy (opps I'm younger than you), your hands are cold because
you're not covering your arms adequately, and trying to keep your core warm
only with your vest and such. Try out my theory of covering your core less
and using equal or double layers on your arms (arm warmers under jersey for
example), along with gloves. Cold hands are exacerbated by having less arm
cover; works for me.

There might be something to that. I typically run in short-sleeve teeshirt
regradless of temps because I tend to overheat easily. But my hands used to
get very cold, especially early in the run, but also during the run if there
was a wind.

I recently ran my first 15 miler in training. It was a windy 34F at the start,
around 36F at the finish. I wore shorts, cotton long-sleeve tee-shirt, and a
pair of gloves (Sugoi mitts, as suggested on this group). It felt toasty great
for the firts couple of miles. At mile three I began to sweat. Gloves came off
(you can easily crush the Sugois in your hands and carry them). But I was
still sweating, so the sleeves came up to the elbows. Having done that, the
sweating stopped almost immediately. I was dry by mile four. Through the rest
of the run, I found I could easily regulate my body temperature by lowering
and raising the sleeves. Never felt the need to put the gloves back on.

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com of 02 Jan 2005:

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Phil M. wrote in message ...

Quoted message said:

Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
[email hidden] of 02 Jan 2005:

Quoted message said:

Hands painfully cold, turned back early. Temps in 30's.

Hey Dan, I tried your idea of using surgical gloves under my regular
gloves. Didn't work for me, at least not in 45F temps. My hands were
cold and wet by the end of 5 miles. After trying various gloves, I
ended up with 2 pairs of gloves. One glove Manzella PolarTec
PowerStretch http://tinyurl.com/5kdwb, over those I wear Sugoi wind
mitts http://tinyurl.com/6nehl. This may seem like overkill to most
folks, but I have a problem with cold hands in anything below 50F. So
far, this is what has worked for me.

Phil Phil my boy (opps I'm younger than you), your hands are cold
because you're not covering your arms adequately, and trying to keep
your core warm only with your vest and such.

I'm wearing turtleneck polartec shirt covered by a Sugui running jacket,
and even on occasion running pants or tights, and hat. I guarantee that my
core is plenty warm. I am sweating all over and still have a problem with
cold hands. We are all different. It seems that Dan also has problems with
cold hands. He's posted about that before. My post was directed at Dan, not
the general running population. That is why I said "This is what has worked
for me."

Phil M.

SwStudio said:

Greetings, rec.runners! Please tell us about your training
week and goals.

goals: patience. Upcoming races: lots of question marks between now
and Boston.

M: AM 4mi (8:53) / PM 25min stairstepper (2.79mi), 45min elliptical
(5mi)

T: AM 6mi (9:28) / PM attempt at a ladder workout on the elliptical -
4x100, 4x200, 2x300, 4x400 and back down the ladder - 6.59mi in all

W: 4mi (8:30)

R: AM 6mi (8:26) w/miles 3 & 4 @7:40 & 7:19 / PM 30min stairstepper
(3.34mi), 30min elliptical (3.54mi)

F: 6mi (9:04)

Sa: 6mi (9:09)

Su: 13mi (9:04), longest since the stress fracture

total: 45 miles running, 15.1 miles elliptical, 6.1 miles stairstepper

This week's 45 was the highest mileage since I've been "back" from
stress fractureville. It's nice to see the miles increase, but jeez
am I slow. It takes me longer to recover from any tiny "hard" effort
too. I'm trying to be patient, see the big picture, blah blah blah.
Jeez am I slow.

good week all

Karen

--
live! vicariously!

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live! vicariously!

Yesterday I almost died! horribly!

Roger <no, i'm not telling any more>

Phil M. wrote:

Thanks for all you's guys' comments...

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Hey Dan, I tried your idea of using surgical gloves under my regular
gloves. Didn't work for me, at least not in 45F temps. My hands were
cold and wet by the end of 5 miles. After trying various gloves, I
ended up with 2 pairs of gloves.

I thought I was on to something when the surgical glove thing worked for me
the first time I tried it. Unfortunately, on the next (colder) day --
immortalized in the above post -- they failed totally.

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One glove Manzella PolarTec
PowerStretch http://tinyurl.com/5kdwb, over those I wear Sugoi wind
mitts http://tinyurl.com/6nehl. This may seem like overkill to most
folks, but I have a problem with cold hands in anything below 50F.
So far, this is what has worked for me.

I think I'm going to try the double glove thing next (I, too, bought the
sugoi's).
On the next cold mountain run I'm also bringing along a couple of those
chemical hand warmers. They were, of course, in the trunk of my car that
day...They supposedly provide hours of warmth.

Normally in LA a really cold day is in the mid 40's, but when you go up 5k
feet into the San Gabriels, it's another story...

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Phil Phil my boy (opps I'm younger than you), your hands are cold
because you're not covering your arms adequately, and trying to keep
your core warm only with your vest and such.

I most always wear a long sleeved poly top (loose enough so that I can raise
and lower sleeves). But aren't arm warmers a bit much? Geez, this isn't
aerobics class for Hollywood starlets is it??? :-)

Seriously, I think there's something to keeping the forearm warm.

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I'm wearing turtleneck polartec shirt covered by a Sugui running
jacket, and even on occasion running pants or tights, and hat. I
guarantee that my core is plenty warm. I am sweating all over and
still have a problem with cold hands.

Yup, my core can be just fine, and my hands will still hurt if it's cold
enough. I forget the name of the condition, but my fingers turn whitish,
and the only way to stop the pain is to warm them up asap.

-- Dan

np426z said:

"joe positive" wrote

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live! vicariously!

Yesterday I almost died! horribly!

Roger <no, i'm not telling any more>

Rog -- you must change your sig to:

Die! Self-consciously! In the here-and-now! With hyphens!

Recovering from tibial stress fracture.

Leg was a bit sore after Thursday's run.  Slight intermittent pain during
Saturday's run.  Nothing like before but it's a sign that I've been
overdoing it.

Hoping to run in the Hampshire Cross Country Championships next Saturday.  I
wont be 'racing' it though, just a steady run.

2 more punctures this week - I've now ordered kevlar lining for the tyres.

Monday:
pm) Mountain Bike, 1:32, hilly
  Followed by 3.5 mile run pushing bike (puncture)

Tuesday:
am) 6.15 miles, including 6 x 2min w/90sec rec - hard

Wednesday:
pm) Mountain Bike, 1:39, flattish

Thursday:
am) 6.15 miles - medium/hard

Friday:
am) Mountain Bike, 1:20, hilly
  Followed by 1.65 mile run pushing bike (puncture)

Saturday:
pm) 8.5 miles, hilly - easy/medium

Sunday:
pm) Road Bike, 2:24 - easy/medium

Total run: 25.95 miles
Total Bike: 92.87 miles

--
Brian Wakem

Tony said:

Phil Phil my boy (opps I'm younger than you), your hands are cold because
you're not covering your arms adequately,

I'm pretty sure that if I took my gloves off for long in freezing weather with
windchill, my hands would get cold really quickly.

OTOH, I've run a half marathon in a singlet, shorts and mitts, in freezing
weather. I was just fine (during the race. Waiting for the start wasn't fun)

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and trying to keep your core warm
only with your vest and such. Try out my theory of covering your core less
and using equal or double layers on your arms (arm warmers under jersey for
example), along with gloves. Cold hands are exacerbated by having less arm
cover; works for me.

I could see this helping to get some blood towards your arms by not having
your forearms freezing -- but even light long sleeves are enough to keep
forearms warm. Some coverage might help, but more than on your core seems a
little excessive.

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Phil M. wrote in message ...

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Leafing through rec.running, I read a message from
qtrader2@(remove)hotmail.com of 02 Jan 2005:

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Phil Phil my boy (opps I'm younger than you), your hands are cold
because you're not covering your arms adequately, and trying to keep
your core warm only with your vest and such.

I'm wearing turtleneck polartec shirt covered by a Sugui running jacket,
and even on occasion running pants or tights, and hat. I guarantee that my
core is plenty warm. I am sweating all over and still have a problem with
cold hands. We are all different. It seems that Dan also has problems with
cold hands. He's posted about that before. My post was directed at Dan, not
the general running population. That is why I said "This is what has worked
for me."

Phil M.

Of course everyone's different. I pictured you with a short sleeve shirt and
vest, hat and gloves - thought that's what you said before, of course
varying for conditions. Still, if you're sweating and your hands are still
cold, to me that says your insulation is in the wrong places, and since I've
changed my layering strategy my hands aren't getting cold at all; but as you
say some people have cold hands. Anyway sorry to butt into your business.

-T

Paul Wilson said:

There might be something to that. I typically run in short-sleeve teeshirt
regradless of temps because I tend to overheat easily. But my hands used to
get very cold, especially early in the run, but also during the run if there
was a wind.

I recently ran my first 15 miler in training. It was a windy 34F at the
start, around 36F at the finish. I wore shorts, cotton long-sleeve
tee-shirt, and a pair of gloves (Sugoi mitts, as suggested on this group).
It felt toasty great for the firts couple of miles.

That's the problem right there. You were wearing too much. The first mile
should be a little cool. Cotton is very warm, and it's horrible when it gets
wet, so if you go the cotton route, even more important to avoid overdressing.

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At mile three I began to sweat. Gloves came off (you can easily crush the
Sugois in your hands and carry them). But I was still sweating,

Taking the gloves off doesn't help. You leave your hands open to frostbite,
the surface area is small, and the blood circulation to your hands is reduced,
so it doesn't have much impact on core temperature. The mitts should be the
last thing to come off, not the first.

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so the sleeves came up to the elbows. Having done

Better -- this will have some impact on your core temp. But better still
would be to wear a light zipneck top (adjusting the zip works great) or for
a race, just go with a light synthetic long sleeve tee (or cotton with short
sleeves)

Cheers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/

Phil M. said:

I'm wearing turtleneck polartec shirt covered by a Sugui running jacket,
and even on occasion running pants or tights, and hat. I guarantee that my
core is plenty warm. I am sweating all over and still have a problem with
cold hands. We are all different.

You probably have more in common than you realise. I think Tony may be onto
something with his theory that keeping forearms warm helps keep hands warm.
And for someone running in a singlet and mitts, and still getting cold hands,
then this theory would probably be applicable. But it's not going to
magically cure the need to protect ones fingers. If it's cold enough, no
amount of layers on the forearms will help you if you don't wear something on
your fingers.

CHeers,
--
Donovan Rebbechi
http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/