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  1. On the hill opposite my house is a dragon. It hides itself away in summer, but in autumn and winter,
    when the larches have divested themselves of their greenery, the dragon, picked out in the darker
    green of what may be Sitka Spruce, is clearly visible.

    Ever since the beast on the hill was pointed out to me by a friend's young daughter I have been
    meaning to walk its perimeter, possibly with the GPS; more probably, given the dense forestry, with
    map and compass, to see if I could plot its shape. Well it seemed like a good idea at the time...

    Throughout the morning the sun was appearing and disappearing like a yo-yo, and anyway I had a
    book I wanted to finish, so it wasn't until about half past one that we (Charlie, Robert,
    Nicky, Emily and
    I) left the house to drive to the start of our proposed walk.

    Starting off up Mynydd Eglwys we strolled gently up through the now grassed over and self seeded
    woodland that used to be the local grammar school. Beautifully warm and sunny, the autumn colours
    were probably at their best, and yours truly was content to stow my fleece rather than wear it.
    Reaching the clearing I can see from my window I started to look for which trees constituted the
    dragon - and of course couldn't see the wood for the... Ah. Minor snag. The dragon's obvious enough
    from afar, but close up's a different matter, as you'd expect. I dare say I've got a brain in my
    head somewhere, but just then I have to admit I couldn't find it. Oh well... There's a bridle path
    going up the hill, so we followed that to see if we could locate a recognisable bit of dragon
    further up. Once or twice we thought perhaps we could, but of course my plan of walking around the
    exact contours of the thing was thwarted by the reality of a whole lot of trees hiding in a forest
    of, um, trees. We managed to get pretty well to the top of Mynydd Eglwys without seeing any real
    sign of the beastie, but at one point I decided that we might be standing at the top of its 'head'
    so perhaps we could wander down its 'neck' and thence around the 'rump' and back to the car. We
    started down the hill on what looked like a perfectly good ride or fire break, and after a bit we
    found we'd left the trees behind us and were out on open hillside about to join a 'proper' track.
    Since the track goes the long way round we struck off down the hill, but suddenly Charlie, who was
    leading, called out that this might not be such a good idea after all. I was puzzled, but being a
    bit behind couldn't see what he could see, which was that the fence that we were by now following
    had stopped. It didn't turn a corner or anything like that; it just - stopped. Charlie went on to
    see why, and soon found out. When a hill is as steep as all that, the concept of trespass becomes
    somewhat irrelevant. I took a photo of the near-vertical 'path' from its base: I do hope it comes
    out. We probably could have scrambled *up* it safely enough, but I'd not be wanting to descend via
    the same route - even the sheep weren't quite that stupid. Charlie and I decided to take the
    children haggis-like across, rather than down the hill, to join up with the track (it snakes its way
    very slowly down nearly to the road at the bottom); however Robert was in a stubborn mood and
    stalked off back up the hill to join the track at the top and we lost sight of him fairly quickly.
    This didn't bother us too much, as he's perfectly capable of looking after himself and he knows
    where the track is, but it would have been easier had he stayed with us because Emily decided that
    she didn't like having to walk a la haggis and demanded to be carried, refusing to budge unless she
    got her own way. Normally of course she'd be told in no uncertain terms to stop being silly, but
    away from the shelter of the forest it was rather cold and very windy, and she was probably rather
    frightened, so whilst I helped Nicholas find his footing Charlie ended up carrying Emily on one arm
    and hoping he wouldn't need the other to break his fall. To cut a long story short (too late!) we
    managed to join the track roughly at its half way point, and started to look for Robert. Seeing us
    coming down, he however had started back *up* the track to meet us, missed us completely, and
    carried on beyond the point where we joined it. Thus it was that although we kept on looking forward
    and back we could see no sign of him at all... and Charlie started to get worried. It shows what a
    caring mother I am that it didn't actually occur to me to get concerned about his welfare because I
    just assumed he'd turn up as usual, which, after a while, he did. We were somewhat puzzled at seeing
    him *above* us, when he should have been in front of us and therefore below; however once we
    realised that he'd doubled back it became obvious what had happened. We carried on for a very short
    while, until looking through some trees - we'd rejoined the bottom of the forest - I could see what
    looked like a clearing ahead. Strolling towards this we discovered a 'proper' path leading to what
    had once been a stile but which now was a mere hole in the fence. Once back in the clearing it was
    but a short step down the drive of the old school back to where I'd left the car (I drove over
    because I knew Emily wouldn't walk back home and I didn't fancy carrying her. In view of her
    precocity on the hill I'm glad I did) and within another ten minutes or so we were back home.

    I achieved, albeit not the way I'd planned, my walk around the 'Dragon of Pentre'. It was more
    of a circle than dragon shaped though, so one of these days I shall have to try again to
    navigate its precise outline. I took photos; some of these will make it to a website. Just don't
    hold your breath.

    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  2. In article <[email hidden]>, Fran <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    I achieved, albeit not the way I'd planned, my walk around the 'Dragon of Pentre'. It was more
    of a circle than dragon shaped though, so one of these days I shall have to try again to
    navigate its precise outline. I took photos; some of these will make it to a website. Just don't
    hold your breath.

    I get some wonderful mind pictures from this account Fran - well done.

    I miss the stats at the bottom of the TR though - as if :-)
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  3. Fran said:

    On the hill opposite my house is a dragon.

    Someone pointed one out to me on Kilvey Hill once. Are these dragons as common as King Arthur
    legends in different parts of Wales?

    Quoted message said:

    It hides itself away in summer, but in autumn and winter, when the larches have divested
    themselves of their greenery, the dragon, picked out in the darker green of what may be Sitka
    Spruce, is clearly visible.

    Does it really look like a dragon? Or is a large part of it wishful thinking?

    Quoted message said:

    Ever since the beast on the hill was pointed out to me by a friend's young daughter I have
    been meaning to walk its perimeter, possibly with the GPS; more probably, given the dense
    forestry, with map and compass, to see if I could plot its shape. Well it seemed like a good
    idea at the time...

    Quoted message said:

    Reaching the clearing I can see from my window I started to look for which trees constituted the
    dragon - and of course couldn't see the wood for the... Ah. Minor snag. The dragon's obvious
    enough from afar, but close up's a different matter, as you'd expect.

    Right then, you now have the perfect opportunity to put your map, compass and GPS to good use.

    Firstly, you need to locate a number of different viewpoints from which the dragon is clearly
    visible, these viewpoints should be in different directions from the dragon, and ideally not too far
    away from it. Three such viewpoints would be good.

    Secondly, pick out a number of key points on the dragon itself, such as the head, each foot, the
    tail, and so on.

    Now the fun starts. Visit each location in turn and do the following.

    1. Mark your position with your GPS.

    2. Using your compass, determine the direction to each of the key points. Write down the compass
    bearing for each. Don't forget to subtract the magnetic variation.

    When you get home, mark your viewpoint grid refs (from the GPS) onto the map (or tracing paper on
    top of the map), and draw lines (using your compass) from each viewpoint in the directions you have
    written down. After doing this from all three viewpoints, there should be three lines intersecting
    each of the key points on the dragon. In practice, due to inevitable errors, the lines probably
    won't intersect exactly, but will cross to form a triangle. This is called the "triangle of error".
    The most likely point for each is in the centre of each triangle.

    Having marked dots in the centre of each triangle, determine the grid refs of those dots, as
    accurately as possible (to 8 figures if you can, not 6). Enter these coordinates into your GPS.

    You will then have GPS coordinates of the key points of the dragon's shape. They won't be exact, but
    hopefully they'll be close enough to help you achieve your mission next time around.

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  4. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    In article <[email hidden]>, Fran <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    I achieved, albeit not the way I'd planned, my walk around the 'Dragon of Pentre'. It was more of
    a circle than dragon shaped though, so one of these days I shall have to try again to navigate
    its precise outline. I took photos; some of these will make it to a website. Just don't hold your
    breath.

    I get some wonderful mind pictures from this account Fran - well done.

    Thanks. It's a lovely walk - right above the town but seemingly miles away from anywhere... until
    you meet the obligatory burned out car at the top :-(

    Quoted message said:

    I miss the stats at the bottom of the TR though - as if :-)


    Hmm, lessee now - height: dunno and a bit; distance: probably not very far; effort: proportional to
    leg length of participants. Howzat?
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  5. Fran said:


    Quoted message said:

    I miss the stats at the bottom of the TR though - as if :-)


    Hmm, lessee now - height: dunno and a bit; distance: probably not very far; effort: proportional
    to leg length of participants. Howzat?

    Don't you have a GPS Fran?

    Paul
    --
    The October Project 2003
    wildwales.fsnet.co.ukoctober.html
    wilderness-wales.co.ukwilderness-wales.co.uk
    photosig.comuserphotos

  6. In article <[email hidden]>, Fran <[email hidden]> writes

    Quoted message said:

    There were a couple of other minor snags, viz: I had a perfectly good compass with me; however the
    GPS stayed at home and we couldn't find the 1:25000 map we know darned well we've got here
    *somewhere*. Did I ever mention that the house is a mess? My poor mother thinks I should spend less
    time nattering to you lot and more time tidying up. She's probably right, but... *shrug*

    There's a thread running about night navigation - you seem admirable equipped to lead such
    an event :-)
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  7. In article <[email hidden]>, Phil Cook <urwalk@p-t-
    cook.freeserveSPAMTRAP.co.uk> writes

    Quoted message said:

    BTW congrats/comiserations to all our Welsh readers for the brave defeat at the hands of the All
    Blacks. The best game of rugby I've seen in a *long* time. How the ref/touch judge never saw that
    forward pass I'll never know.

    I regrettably missed the match. To be honest the sooner Wales and others get back to playing basic
    Rugby then better. They seem to have forgotten the old way - "draw a man and pass". When it does
    happen we hear the commentators going into ecstatics with comments like "Brilliant flowing stuff".

    Any Welshman will never concede that Wales haven' beaten the All Blacks for *****years. I still
    remember when the All Black forwards jumped out of a late line out to gain a penalty (Wales were in
    the lead). When asked about their unsporting behaviour - they just said "We did what we had to do to
    win". If that is sport - give it up.
    --
    Bill Grey billboy.co.ukbillboy.co.uk

  8. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Fran said:

    On the hill opposite my house is a dragon.

    Someone pointed one out to me on Kilvey Hill once. Are these dragons as common as King Arthur
    legends in different parts of Wales?

    Probably - this one's entirely man-made though, and probably accidental.

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    It hides itself away in summer, but in autumn and winter, when the larches have divested
    themselves of their greenery, the dragon, picked out in the darker green of what may be Sitka
    Spruce, is clearly visible.

    Does it really look like a dragon? Or is a large part of it wishful thinking?

    That depends on what you think a dragon should look like :-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Ever since the beast on the hill was pointed out to me by a friend's young daughter I have been
    meaning to walk its perimeter,

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    The dragon's obvious enough from afar, but close up's a different matter, as you'd expect.

    Right then, you now have the perfect opportunity to put your map, compass and GPS to good use.

    There were a couple of other minor snags, viz: I had a perfectly good compass with me; however the
    GPS stayed at home and we couldn't find the 1:25000 map we know darned well we've got here
    *somewhere*. Did I ever mention that the house is a mess? My poor mother thinks I should spend less
    time nattering to you lot and more time tidying up. She's probably right, but... *shrug*

    Quoted message said:

    Firstly, you need to locate a number of different viewpoints from which the dragon is clearly
    visible, these viewpoints should be in different directions from the dragon, and ideally not too
    far away from it. Three such viewpoints would be good.

    A laminated photograph of the thing will accompany me on my next attempt, which will help no end.

    [Triangulation info snipped]

    You do realise, don't you, that if this bit of dark green forest is as much as 300m in any
    direction, it'll be doing well? TBH, I doubt whether it's actually possible to walk that closely
    around its edge, surrounded as it is by larch. Now if it were all Scots Pine, it'd be a much
    different matter and a piece of cake to boot!

    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  9. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Fran said:


    Quoted message said:

    I miss the stats at the bottom of the TR though - as if :-)


    Hmm, lessee now - height: dunno and a bit; distance: probably not very far; effort: proportional
    to leg length of participants. Howzat?

    Don't you have a GPS Fran?

    *Grin* You know I have.

    1) I couldn't find it the other day, even though I saw it a couple of weeks ago...;

    2) Knowing I couldn't find it the other day I didn't look for it yesterday;

    3) I knew that if the walk went according to plan I'd be under very dense artificial forestry most
    of the time;

    4) I wasn't particularly bothered about how far or how high I was going - I can see the dragon from
    where I'm sitting now and it's not quite as tall as Mynydd Eglwys, i.e. not quite as tall as Not
    Very Much :-)
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  10. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    There's a thread running about night navigation - you seem admirable equipped to lead such an
    event :-)


    I'm an expert at night navigation in poor conditions. It's called sitting in a nice cosy house or
    hostel, pitying those poor s*ds out on the hills :-)

    Seriously though, I'm very rarely lost at night for some reason - if I'm going to mislay myself I'm
    far more likely to do so in excellent conditions during the day. I have no idea why this should be -
    perhaps it's just an inbuilt sense of self-preservation.
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  11. Fran said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Fran said:


    > I miss the stats at the bottom of the TR though - as if :-)
    >
    Hmm, lessee now - height: dunno and a bit; distance: probably not very far; effort:
    proportional to leg length of participants. Howzat?

    Don't you have a GPS Fran?

    *Grin* You know I have.

    1) I couldn't find it the other day, even though I saw it a couple of weeks ago...;

    it knows where it is - or would if it were switched on and could see enough "birds"

    Quoted message said:


    2) Knowing I couldn't find it the other day I didn't look for it yesterday;

    Do a box search with your compass :-)

    Quoted message said:


    3) I knew that if the walk went according to plan I'd be under very dense artificial forestry most
    of the time;

    Ah so you know the limitations of a GPS.

    Quoted message said:


    4) I wasn't particularly bothered about how far or how high I was going - I can see the dragon from
    where I'm sitting now and it's not quite as tall as Mynydd Eglwys, i.e. not quite as tall as Not
    Very Much :-)

    BTW congrats/comiserations to all our Welsh readers for the brave defeat at the hands of the All
    Blacks. The best game of rugby I've seen in a *long* time. How the ref/touch judge never saw that
    forward pass I'll never know.
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  12. Quoted message said:

    *Grin* You know I have.

    1) I couldn't find it the other day, even though I saw it a couple of weeks ago...;

    2) Knowing I couldn't find it the other day I didn't look for it yesterday;

    It knew where it was

    Richard Webb

  13. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"


    Phil! The very person! I've got a small package to post to mother in Beckenham, but she tells me
    the post is a bit haywire at the mo. Is she exaggerating, or should I do as she says and wait a
    bit before posting? It's not urgent, so it's not as if it matters very much if she has to wait a
    week or two.
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  14. Fran said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"


    Phil! The very person! I've got a small package to post to mother in Beckenham, but she tells me
    the post is a bit haywire at the mo. Is she exaggerating, or should I do as she says and wait a
    bit before posting? It's not urgent, so it's not as if it matters very much if she has to wait a
    week or two.

    It's pretty stuffed around Coventry at the moment, so I suspect Lunnun will be even worse.

    Now, after Englands trouncing of Uraguay that makes the quarter final, England vs. Wales.....

    Anyone want to run a book on the score?

    (england to win by at least 20 points I reckon.... as long as we get 16 men again.)
    --
    79.84% of all statistics are made up on the spot. The other 42% are made up later on. In Warwick -
    looking at flat fields and that includes the castle.

  15. Fran said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:

    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"


    Phil! The very person! I've got a small package to post to mother in Beckenham, but she tells me
    the post is a bit haywire at the mo. Is she exaggerating, or should I do as she says and wait a
    bit before posting? It's not urgent, so it's not as if it matters very much if she has to wait a
    week or two.

    We went back to work today. Wait a week and it will all be back to normal.

    v

    v

    v

    v

    v

    ie [censored] :-)

    Two years ago used to have a delivery service that cleared the office each day and got first
    delivery to everybody by 9.00. Today you were lucky to get mail by 12.00.

    And Messrs Leighton, Crozier and Tiome want to make that the norm :-(

    BTW Some people still haven't got any post due to incompetent management :-(
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  16. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is she exaggerating, or should I do as she says and wait a bit before posting? It's not urgent,
    so it's not as if it matters very much if she has to wait a week or two.

    We went back to work today. Wait a week and it will all be back to normal.


    Oh dear, that bad eh? (Yes, I did scroll down. My stepfather is a retired postie who became a
    supervisor. He is apparently not impressed with the current situation. Worked in Southwark, IIRC)
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  17. Fran said:

    [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Is she exaggerating, or should I do as she says and wait a bit before posting? It's not urgent,
    so it's not as if it matters very much if she has to wait a week or two.

    We went back to work today. Wait a week and it will all be back to normal.


    Oh dear, that bad eh? (Yes, I did scroll down. My stepfather is a retired postie who became a
    supervisor. He is apparently not impressed with the current situation. Worked in Southwark, IIRC)

    SEDO at The Borough?

    These words of wisdom spring to mind

    Pay peanuts get monkeys. The best posties don't want to be zoo keepers.

    If Royal Mail invited me to a [censored] up in a brewery I would take the precaution of bringing my own
    glass and beer!
    --
    Phil Cook looking north over the park to the "Westminster Gasworks"

  18. [email hidden] said...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    (Yes, I did scroll down. My stepfather is a retired postie who became a supervisor. He is
    apparently not impressed with the current situation. Worked in Southwark, IIRC)

    SEDO at The Borough?

    Yes, that's the one. I went there once to have breakfast. Lovely it was: there was a largeish lady
    of presumably Caribbean origin standing behind the counter producing fried plantain to order. I'd
    never had it before, and it was very yummy. That's not where you ply your trade though, is it?

    Quoted message said:

    These words of wisdom spring to mind

    Pay peanuts get monkeys. The best posties don't want to be zoo keepers.

    If Royal Mail invited me to a [censored] up in a brewery I would take the precaution of bringing my own
    glass and beer!

    I have a feeling stepfather could probably relate to that. When he started work he enjoyed it; by
    the time he left he'd more than had enough.
    --
    Fran If you need my email address please ask.

  19. If Royal Mail invited me to a [censored] up in a brewery I would take the precaution of bringing my own
    glass and beer!

    Perhaps things would be better if they changed their name again. What about that old sentimental
    name 'Consignia'. Fair brings a tear to my eye, so it does.

    Steve Jones (address supplied - not that it will get me any letters under present circumstances).

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