Tour de Pain

"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote

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Results?

Friday 7:45 PM 5K - 19:31, 11/147, 1st AG
Saturday 7:40 AM 5K -19:30, 8/226, 1st Master
Saturday 8:15 AM 10K - 41:45, 15/216, 1st AG

Thought you wanted to know.

Of course. I'm thoroughly jealous on two accounts:

1. You can run and I can't (actually, I can slow jog uphill finally!).

2. 1AG and Master is tougher to achieve in the LA area, maybe due to fewer
races, mebbie cause there are 18 million souls living in the area. At all 3
5k's I ran this year, there was a ringer: an ex 14 minute 50+ guy slogging
his way to a 17 or low 18 minute performance.

Contratulations. Have you gotten permits for your new Trophy Room yet?

-- Dan

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"MarkH" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Friday 7:45 PM 5K - 19:31, 11/147, 1st AG
| Saturday 7:40 AM 5K -19:30, 8/226, 1st Master
| Saturday 8:15 AM 10K - 41:45, 15/216, 1st AG

You must have very high threshold for the pain.
How is that humanly possible, three peak performances in about 12 hours?
Congratulations!

| Thought you wanted to know.
Surely, now you got me all pumped up to do a 2 miler 30 min before 10K
at a big local event this summer.

| Tomorrow (Sunday) there's another 5K in the afternoon. The madness
| continues. Pray for me.

24 hours rest before 5K should be a breeze for you. Good luck anyway.

Big Bloody Deal ~ !

W: 90 min cycle, 1st AG.
Th: 90 min cycle, 1st AG.
F: 120 min cycle; 5 K, 1st AG.
S: 90 min cycle; 5 K, 2nd AG.

"Twittering One" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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| Big Bloody Deal ~ !
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| W: 90 min cycle, 1st AG.
| Th: 90 min cycle, 1st AG.
| F: 120 min cycle; 5 K, 1st AG.
| S: 90 min cycle; 5 K, 2nd AG.

I don't believe it, you must have been 1st AG again on Sat. 8-)

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I don't believe it, you must have been 1st AG again on Sat. 8-)

No, I was a little wrung out.

"D Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote

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1. You can run and I can't (actually, I can slow jog uphill
finally!).

Get well quick. Need your race results.

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2. 1AG and Master is tougher to achieve in the LA area, maybe
due to fewer races, mebbie cause there are 18 million souls
living in the area.

That's the part I don't get. Last weekend I had over 20 races to
pick from. Why does a huge metro area like LA have so few races?

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Contratulations. Have you gotten permits for your new Trophy
Room yet?

:-) I have applied for a larger office. For now I just keep
rearranging the display every Monday to find more room -- although
I don't know how I'll shoehorn in this weekend's haul. These are
pretty big.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2qdbhqg

Veteran racers tell me they keep their trophies in boxes. I
suppose I'll also eventually reach that point, but in the meantime
I am indulging my childish delight in actually displaying the silly
things.

"I2Run" <[email hidden]> wrote

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You must have very high threshold for the pain.
How is that humanly possible, three peak performances in about
12 hours? Congratulations!

Thanks. Yeah, I thought those numbers were pretty interesting. A
lot of people believe they can't run consecutive races, but it
looks like some of that is just your mind rebelling at the thought.
Your body is capable. At least for this short 5K & 10K stuff.

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Surely, now you got me all pumped up to do a 2 miler 30 min
before 10K at a big local event this summer.

That's the idea. :-) Use the two miler as a warm-up.

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| Tomorrow (Sunday) there's another 5K in the afternoon. The
| madness continues. Pray for me.

24 hours rest before 5K should be a breeze for you. Good luck
anyway.

Yeah, thanks. But I "celebrated" last night, so today I'll get a
chance to find out how well I run with a mild hangover. And it's
gonna be a very hilly course ("... Scenic route meandering up and
down Tower Mountain located in the beautiful North Georgia
Mountains. Unbelievable views atop this challenging course."😉

Coffee, coffee, coffee...

Twittering One <[email hidden]> wrote

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Big Bloody Deal ~ !

I'll see your BBD and raise you a BFD.

MarkH <[email hidden]> wrote

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OK, so the 6th Stage of the Tour de Georgia bike race is coming to
Stone Mountain this afternoon. I'm heading out there in 30
minutes to watch the finish. Unless the traffic's too bad.... in
which case I'm prepared to punt without prejudice.

Well, I miss-timed it and got there a couple of minutes too late
("you'll have to turn around, sir..."😉. But here are a couple of
snapshots from the roadway approaching the park.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4doqhb9
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=345mo8m

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"I2Run" <[email hidden]> wrote

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You must have very high threshold for the pain.
How is that humanly possible, three peak performances in about
12 hours? Congratulations!

Thanks. Yeah, I thought those numbers were pretty interesting. A
lot of people believe they can't run consecutive races, but it
looks like some of that is just your mind rebelling at the thought.
Your body is capable. At least for this short 5K & 10K stuff.

That's a VERY solid training weekend for a fast runner. But I don't
think anyone contests the idea that you can run consecutive races. Of
course you can. You just run them slower (your 10k in particular).
Mind over matter won't change this.

Georgia?

Yup, that sounds friggin painful all right.

"Tom B." <[email hidden]> wrote

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MarkH said:

"I2Run" <[email hidden]> wrote

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You must have very high threshold for the pain.
How is that humanly possible, three peak performances in
about 12 hours? Congratulations!

Thanks. Yeah, I thought those numbers were pretty interesting.
A lot of people believe they can't run consecutive races, but
it looks like some of that is just your mind rebelling at the
thought. Your body is capable. At least for this short 5K &
10K stuff.

That's a VERY solid training weekend for a fast runner. But I
don't think anyone contests the idea that you can run
consecutive races.

It depends on who you talk to. I would bet that most recreational
runners wouldn't think they were capable of doing that.

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Of course you can. You just run them slower
(your 10k in particular). Mind over matter won't change this.

But that's just it, that 10K time was only a couple of minutes
slower than my PR. And this 10K course had almost a mile on an
unpaved gravel road. That alone was good for about a 20-30 sec
slow-down. I'd estimate that running this course as a target race
with some taper, I'd do right at 40:00, so the overall penalty for
racing only 15 minutes after the 5K was about only 1:45. That
really surprised me.

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I'll see your BBD and raise you a BFD.

Huh? What's that?
I wear DK, and eat KTF.

MarkH said:

OK, so the 6th Stage of the Tour de Georgia bike race is coming to
Stone Mountain this afternoon. I'm heading out there in 30
minutes to watch the finish. Unless the traffic's too bad.... in
which case I'm prepared to punt without prejudice.

But the Tour de Pain is something different... it's a series of
three races in Jacksonville, Florida, consisting of a 4-miler on
Friday evening, a 5K on Saturday morning, and a 1-mile run on
Saturday night.

Since it's unlikely I'll go to Jacksonville for their version of
the TDP, I thought I'd organize my very own TDP this weekend.

So... I ran a 5K last night in Loganville, Ga at 7:45 PM - the
Scholarship Run.

This morning (Saturday) I ran the Homestretch Challenge 5K at 7:40
AM in Roswell, GA.

After finishing the 5K, I ran the Homestretch Challenge 10K at
8:15 AM -- same venue.

In effect, I compressed Jacksonville's version of TDP time from 24
hours to 12 hours -- and added racing distance... to make it more
interesting.

Results?

Friday 7:45 PM 5K - 19:31, 11/147, 1st AG
Saturday 7:40 AM 5K -19:30, 8/226, 1st Master
Saturday 8:15 AM 10K - 41:45, 15/216, 1st AG

Thought you wanted to know.

Tomorrow (Sunday) there's another 5K in the afternoon. The madness
continues. Pray for me.

Whether insanity (on your part) or inspiration, I'm impressed.
Congratulations on great times and great durability

Frank

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"Tom B." <[email hidden]> wrote

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That's a VERY solid training weekend for a fast runner. But I
don't think anyone contests the idea that you can run
consecutive races.

It depends on who you talk to. I would bet that most recreational
runners wouldn't think they were capable of doing that.

You're right about that, because most would have at least a mild case of
DOMS after even a 5k. Of those that train harder for the distance, most
prefer rest after a race. When I was training pretty hard and orienteering
way back in the early 1980's, I'd run both days hard at the national class
meets. At those, it's your combined time that gives your placing, and each
day would be 70-90 mins run hard. The 2nd day it was always hard to get
going, but as I was in my early 20's I could go pretty much just as hard the
2nd day. These days doing two long hard races like that would be begging
injury. After those 2 day o-meets I'd be very sore all over for a week, even
at age 21.

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Of course you can. You just run them slower
(your 10k in particular). Mind over matter won't change this.

But that's just it, that 10K time was only a couple of minutes
slower than my PR. And this 10K course had almost a mile on an
unpaved gravel road. That alone was good for about a 20-30 sec
slow-down. I'd estimate that running this course as a target race
with some taper, I'd do right at 40:00, so the overall penalty for
racing only 15 minutes after the 5K was about only 1:45. That
really surprised me.

What I find interesting about your racing Mark is that you seem to go hard
all year round. This makes me wonder two things. First, how fast could you
go if you really did a buildup/peak a la Lasse Viren? Second, 5k's and 10k's
run very hard hurt an awful lot. I mean doing your very best really hurts
the last 1-1.5 miles of a 5k. Most normal people don't thrive on that kind
of pain frequently. So this begs the question as to how hard you're really
running them. Not that your times are shabby - you're doing fantastic, and
are far superior to most in this NG, including me, in talent. In the sense
that you're winning races, yes you are, and I congratulate you on that!
Consider yourself lucky that you can cruise this many races and win your AG.
Correct me if I'm wrong and that you're close to puking after each one 😉

-Tony

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"Tom B." <[email hidden]> wrote

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That's a VERY solid training weekend for a fast runner. But I
don't think anyone contests the idea that you can run
consecutive races.

It depends on who you talk to. I would bet that most recreational
runners wouldn't think they were capable of doing that.

If you phrase the question clearly, then any runner who is capable of
racing a single race equal in distance to the sum of the two back-to-
back events should agree that it's just a matter of how much you slow
down (at the same "hard" perceived level of exertion appropriate to a
race).

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Of course you can. You just run them slower
(your 10k in particular). Mind over matter won't change this.

But that's just it, that 10K time was only a couple of minutes
slower than my PR. And this 10K course had almost a mile on an
unpaved gravel road. That alone was good for about a 20-30 sec
slow-down. I'd estimate that running this course as a target race
with some taper, I'd do right at 40:00, so the overall penalty for
racing only 15 minutes after the 5K was about only 1:45. That
really surprised me.

Compare a 40:00 10k to a 10k subset of a 15k race. I used McMillan's
calculator for this:
http://www.mcmillanrunning.com/rununiv/mcmillanrunningcalculator.htm

You only slow down 13 sec/mile, or roughly 1:20 difference over the
course of the two 10k pieces. Now in your case, you undoubtedly ran
the initial 5k harder than 15k race pace. But then again, you had 15
minutes of rest instead of zero. So 1:45 sounds about right to me.

MarkH said:

In effect, I compressed Jacksonville's version of TDP time from 24
hours to 12 hours -- and added racing distance... to make it more
interesting.

Oh wow. What's that "gobsmacked" smiley?

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Results?

Friday 7:45 PM 5K - 19:31, 11/147, 1st AG
Saturday 7:40 AM 5K -19:30, 8/226, 1st Master
Saturday 8:15 AM 10K - 41:45, 15/216, 1st AG

Oh man. How I'd love to see what would happen if you set aside 4 weeks for
a single target race and do a "honing" schedule for 5 or 10k. I reckon
you'd get a podium OA (or bloody close to it).

Frank Boettcher <[email hidden]> wrote

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Whether insanity (on your part) or inspiration, I'm impressed.
Congratulations on great times and great durability

Thanks, Frank. BTW, I think it *is* a form of insanity.

steve common <[email hidden]> wrote

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MarkH said:

In effect, I compressed Jacksonville's version of TDP time from
24 hours to 12 hours -- and added racing distance... to make it
more interesting.

Oh wow. What's that "gobsmacked" smiley?

Gobsmacked? Had to look that up.

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Results?

Friday 7:45 PM 5K - 19:31, 11/147, 1st AG Saturday 7:40 AM 5K
-19:30, 8/226, 1st Master Saturday 8:15 AM 10K - 41:45, 15/216,
1st AG

Oh man. How I'd love to see what would happen if you set aside 4
weeks for a single target race and do a "honing" schedule for 5

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or 10k.

Yeah, I wish I could do that, but all these pesky weekend races
keep interfering.

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I reckon you'd get a podium OA (or bloody close to it).

I'd done been bloody close to it a number of times already. Gots
me several 2nds and 3rds, but no OA 1st. Still working on it.