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  1. This is one of my favorite races. For some reason, I could run with guys
    who would clean my clock on flat road races. It has about 1200' of climb,
    and runs in the chapparal of the beautiful Santa Monica mountains. I'd run
    it in '84 and '86 in the low 38's. Here's the website:
    http://www.topanga10k.com/course.html

    First, let me trot out the excuses: high mileage week, a strong 2 hour run
    on Thursday, and no speedwork or fast (sub 7:00/mile) downhill running due
    to a kneecap injury (finally healed). There.

    I lined up at the Saturday start, for old times' sake. I was hoping for sub
    50, but I knew it would be tough.

    The first 2.5 miles are uphill, then it's mostly flat and down. I started
    out easy in about 40th place, and gradually reeled in 8 folks by the first
    mile marker: 10:03, about a 500' climb. I ran comfortably hard, at about
    155 hr. If my legs started to burn, I backed way off, and whenever I hit a
    short, sharp rise, I chopped up my stride and slowed to maintain an even
    effort.

    Four or 5 guys passed me on steep uphill, but I got 'em all by the
    turnaround. Don't they know they're wasting fuel charging up hills? When a
    hill flattened out, I took off, and they were still recovering. My plan (as
    it is on all races) was to run comfortably hard on the uphills, and put the
    hurt on the flats and downs.

    One young teenager would fly up the hills, then stop and walk! I've seen
    this phenomena before at local mountain races. Must be something going
    around...

    When we hit the turnaround at 5k, it was mostly down, save for a single
    gradual 200' climb. I focused on relaxing and not *trying* to run fast --
    which is good, because I've got zero legspeed after 4 months of kneecap
    hell. Nevertheless, I was able to muster something, and clocked 6:00/mile
    on the long downhills. (A far cry from the 4:45's I could run on this
    course a billion years ago). A young kid flew by me, but I caught him on
    the 200' climb, then he moved ahead over the last mile. Then at mile 5, the
    second woman came up on me and I just couldn't match her (sorry gals, but
    that irked me!). I think she put 30+ seconds on me over the last mile.

    Finally, I turned left to the famous uphill finish, about a 40' climb up to
    the clock. I looked over my right shoulder to see if anybody was in view,
    and it looked clear, so I eased up just a bit. Halfway up, I heard frantic
    footsteps and a 20-something I'd passed on the way down blew by me. I'd
    been jumped. He must have been off my left shoulder. I threw on the
    afterburners and clawed my way back to him, then he moved ahead with about
    20' to go, and I gave it my all, nearly falling as I leaned into the
    imaginary tape, and nipped him. Note to Lance: I love this stuff!

    He moved ahead of me in the chute as I caught my breath and turned his
    number in before mine. I didn't think to correct it, so the official record
    has him first. But hey, I got witnesses!

    Net result: 51:09 (a personal worst for this distance!) 21/440, 2nd in the
    50-54 (next year, I'm 55). The guy who took first in my AG was a 2:1x
    marathoner who went to the Olympic Marathon Trials, so I can forget about
    any woulda-shoulda-coulda's. Anyway I got a very nice engraved brass medal
    to hang in my Running Shrine (which only Charlie P of this group has seen.
    He bought a $2.00 candle, which really helped with the maintenance budget).

    Anyway, that 51:09 is 34% slower than the last time I ran this in 38:10 as a
    34 year old. Yikes! So much for the wava tables which predict about 14%
    slower...The winner ran 40:30 ish this year. Now I'm fired up, and plan to
    be both speed-trained and tapered next year, and hope for a 3-4 minute
    improvement and top 10.

    I'd forgotton how much fun these short trail races are. I'm going find some
    more and use them as hard tempo runs.

    -- Dan

  2. Dan Stumpus said:

    This is one of my favorite races. For some reason, I could run with guys
    who would clean my clock on flat road races. It has about 1200' of climb,
    and runs in the chapparal of the beautiful Santa Monica mountains. I'd run
    it in '84 and '86 in the low 38's. Here's the website:
    http://www.topanga10k.com/course.html

    First, let me trot out the excuses: high mileage week, a strong 2 hour run
    on Thursday, and no speedwork or fast (sub 7:00/mile) downhill running due
    to a kneecap injury (finally healed). There.

    Great taper 😉

    ....

    Quoted message said:

    Four or 5 guys passed me on steep uphill, but I got 'em all by the
    turnaround. Don't they know they're wasting fuel charging up hills? When a
    hill flattened out, I took off, and they were still recovering. My plan (as
    it is on all races) was to run comfortably hard on the uphills, and put the
    hurt on the flats and downs.

    One young teenager would fly up the hills, then stop and walk! I've seen
    this phenomena before at local mountain races. Must be something going
    around...

    It's called repeats.😉 Run hard to the top, then recover - race like
    they train. Did they turn around to go back down and do it again?

    Quoted message said:

    Then at mile 5, the
    second woman came up on me and I just couldn't match her (sorry gals, but
    that irked me!). I think she put 30+ seconds on me over the last mile.

    A difference between you and Doug 😉

    Quoted message said:


    Finally, I turned left to the famous uphill finish, about a 40' climb up to
    the clock. I looked over my right shoulder to see if anybody was in view,
    and it looked clear, so I eased up just a bit. Halfway up, I heard frantic
    footsteps and a 20-something I'd passed on the way down blew by me. I'd
    been jumped. He must have been off my left shoulder. I threw on the
    afterburners and clawed my way back to him, then he moved ahead with about
    20' to go, and I gave it my all, nearly falling as I leaned into the
    imaginary tape, and nipped him. Note to Lance: I love this stuff!

    Must've made that 20-something's day to get nipped like that 😉

    Quoted message said:


    He moved ahead of me in the chute as I caught my breath and turned his
    number in before mine. I didn't think to correct it, so the official record
    has him first. But hey, I got witnesses!

    Net result: 51:09 (a personal worst for this distance!)

    Don't forget the elevation change.

    Quoted message said:

    21/440, 2nd in the
    50-54 (next year, I'm 55). The guy who took first in my AG was a 2:1x
    marathoner who went to the Olympic Marathon Trials, so I can forget about
    any woulda-shoulda-coulda's. Anyway I got a very nice engraved brass medal
    to hang in my Running Shrine (which only Charlie P of this group has seen.
    He bought a $2.00 candle, which really helped with the maintenance budget).

    cool.

    Quoted message said:


    Anyway, that 51:09 is 34% slower than the last time I ran this in 38:10 as a
    34 year old. Yikes! So much for the wava tables which predict about 14%
    slower...The winner ran 40:30 ish this year. Now I'm fired up, and plan to
    be both speed-trained and tapered next year, and hope for a 3-4 minute
    improvement and top 10.

    Go for it!

    Quoted message said:

    I'd forgotton how much fun these short trail races are. I'm going find some
    more and use them as hard tempo runs.


    Sounds like you had fun. Thanks for the report.

    Dot

    --
    "Success is different things to different people"
    -Bernd Heinrich in Racing the Antelope

  3. Dan Stumpus said:

    Anyway, that 51:09 is 34% slower than the last time I ran this in
    38:10 as a 34 year old. Yikes! So much for the wava tables
    which predict about 14% slower.

    Dan *does* look pretty old for his fifty-eight years, so this steeper
    dropoff isn't such a surprise...

    Hey Dan, seriously, sounds like a strong performance on that course and
    given your givens. Congrats on that. Glad to hear your term in
    kneecap hell is over too!

    That's gotta be a beautiful course to run. I'd sure like to have run
    this one with you, and there'd be no shame in reporting back to the ng
    that a sixty-one year old Dan Stumpus nipped me at the line. Then we'd
    head to Inn of the Seventh Whatever afterwards for post race refueling
    and a bit of chanting and levitation.

    Any races like this - or like something else altogether, but less than
    30 km and maybe a little scenic - around say the first two or three
    weeks of August?

  4. <[email hidden]> wrote

    Thanks for your Geriatric Friendly comments :-)

    Quoted message said:

    Any races like this - or like something else altogether, but less than
    30 km and maybe a little scenic - around say the first two or three
    weeks of August?

    Oooh, another Visitation? Right now all I see on
    http://www.raceplace.com/crunla.shtml is a 4 miler about an hour out of town
    in Snow Valley on 8/6. I'll keep my eyes peeled. On the 8/26, there's the
    infamous Bulldog 25/50k (which I'll be running both laps of) in the
    mountains above Malibu.

    www.bulldogrun.com

    Failing that, we can arrange a special tour of select scenic trails at our
    reduced summer rates.

    -- Dan

    (ps to Doug, the photos page has a pic of Ann Langstaff slugging it out with
    a tough codger)

  5. "Dot" <dot.h@#duh?att.net> wrote

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    One young teenager would fly up the hills, then stop and walk! I've seen
    this phenomena before at local mountain races. Must be something going
    around...

    It's called repeats.😉 Run hard to the top, then recover - race like they
    train. Did they turn around to go back down and do it again?

    No, but I told the kid that the uphills don't matter, cruise 'em, and hit
    the downs...

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    Quoted message said:

    Then at mile 5, the second woman came up on me and I just couldn't match
    her (sorry gals, but that irked me!). I think she put 30+ seconds on me
    over the last mile.

    A difference between you and Doug 😉

    She was flyin'. I think she sandbagged and jogged the first half. She
    caught a guy way ahead of me, too. If I'd coached her, I'd be proud :-)

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    Finally, I turned left to the famous uphill finish, about a 40' climb up
    to the clock. I looked over my right shoulder to see if anybody was in
    view, and it looked clear, so I eased up just a bit. Halfway up, I heard
    frantic footsteps and a 20-something I'd passed on the way down blew by
    me. I'd been jumped. He must have been off my left shoulder. I threw
    on the afterburners and clawed my way back to him, then he moved ahead
    with about 20' to go, and I gave it my all, nearly falling as I leaned
    into the imaginary tape, and nipped him. Note to Lance: I love this
    stuff!

    Must've made that 20-something's day to get nipped like that 😉

    Ya know, I didn't think about that. But as Lance Armstrong says: No Gifts.

    Stay away from the Grizzlies out there! (And I'm looking out for the
    Cougars over here)

    -- Dan

  6. "Dan Stumpus" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    This is one of my favorite races. For some reason, I could run with guys
    who would clean my clock on flat road races. It has about 1200' of climb,
    and runs in the chapparal of the beautiful Santa Monica mountains. I'd


    run

    Quoted message said:

    it in '84 and '86 in the low 38's. Here's the website:
    http://www.topanga10k.com/course.html

    Looks like a beautiful course.

    Quoted message said:

    ...
    Four or 5 guys passed me on steep uphill, but I got 'em all by the
    turnaround. Don't they know they're wasting fuel charging up hills? When


    a

    Quoted message said:

    hill flattened out, I took off, and they were still recovering. My plan


    (as

    Quoted message said:

    it is on all races) was to run comfortably hard on the uphills, and put


    the

    Quoted message said:

    hurt on the flats and downs.

    One young teenager would fly up the hills, then stop and walk! I've seen
    this phenomena before at local mountain races. Must be something going
    around...

    Reminds me of myself as a 19-20 year old orienteering, stupidly blasting the
    hills.

    Quoted message said:

    ...
    Finally, I turned left to the famous uphill finish, about a 40' climb up


    to

    Quoted message said:

    the clock. I looked over my right shoulder to see if anybody was in view,
    and it looked clear, so I eased up just a bit. Halfway up, I heard


    frantic

    Quoted message said:

    footsteps and a 20-something I'd passed on the way down blew by me. I'd
    been jumped. He must have been off my left shoulder. I threw on the
    afterburners and clawed my way back to him, then he moved ahead with about
    20' to go, and I gave it my all, nearly falling as I leaned into the
    imaginary tape, and nipped him. Note to Lance: I love this stuff!

    Way to go Dan!

    Quoted message said:

    He moved ahead of me in the chute as I caught my breath and turned his
    number in before mine. I didn't think to correct it, so the official


    record

    Quoted message said:

    has him first. But hey, I got witnesses!

    Hey man that's grounds for a fight!

    Quoted message said:

    Net result: 51:09 (a personal worst for this distance!) 21/440, 2nd in


    the

    Quoted message said:

    50-54 (next year, I'm 55). The guy who took first in my AG was a 2:1x
    marathoner who went to the Olympic Marathon Trials, so I can forget about
    any woulda-shoulda-coulda's. Anyway I got a very nice engraved brass


    medal

    Quoted message said:

    to hang in my Running Shrine (which only Charlie P of this group has seen.
    He bought a $2.00 candle, which really helped with the maintenance


    budget).

    Nice time for the climb.

    Quoted message said:

    Anyway, that 51:09 is 34% slower than the last time I ran this in 38:10 as


    a

    Quoted message said:

    34 year old. Yikes! So much for the wava tables which predict about 14%
    slower...The winner ran 40:30 ish this year. Now I'm fired up, and plan


    to

    Quoted message said:

    be both speed-trained and tapered next year, and hope for a 3-4 minute
    improvement and top 10.

    So did you win it with a 38:10 back then? Or has the crowd gotten slower?

    Quoted message said:

    I'd forgotton how much fun these short trail races are. I'm going find


    some

    Quoted message said:

    more and use them as hard tempo runs.

    I guess Doug has some short trail races that may or not be similar, but the
    traffic going up there on weekdays is prohibitive. Consider yourself lucky.

    -Tony

    Quoted message said:

    -- Dan

  7. Dan Stumpus said:

    This is one of my favorite races. For some reason, I could run with guys
    http://www.topanga10k.com/course.html
    \


    This looks like fun!!

    Quoted message said:

    First, let me trot out the excuses: high mileage week, a strong 2 hour run
    on Thursday, and no speedwork or fast (sub 7:00/mile) downhill running due
    to a kneecap injury (finally healed). There.

    Ok, you're allowed. The kneecap injury clinched it. But glad to hear
    it's healed.

    Quoted message said:

    One young teenager would fly up the hills, then stop and walk! I've seen
    this phenomena before at local mountain races. Must be something going
    around...


    That seems like an odd way to waste energy!

    Quoted message said:

    Net result: 51:09 (a personal worst for this distance!) 21/440, 2nd in the
    50-54 (next year, I'm 55). The guy who took first in my AG was a 2:1x
    marathoner who went to the Olympic Marathon Trials, so I can forget about
    any woulda-shoulda-coulda's. Anyway I got a very nice engraved brass medal
    to hang in my Running Shrine (which only Charlie P of this group has seen.
    He bought a $2.00 candle, which really helped with the maintenance budget).

    Yeah, but you had a lot of genuine Buts. With a knee back and the right
    training again, you'll get the time down a lot! Sounds like a neat race
    though! Thanks for posting. And glad to hear you got some nice metal!!

    Teresa in AZ

    Quoted message said:

    -- Dan

  8. "Tony S." <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    One young teenager would fly up the hills, then stop and walk! I've seen
    this phenomena before at local mountain races. Must be something going
    around...

    Reminds me of myself as a 19-20 year old orienteering, stupidly blasting
    the
    hills.

    When I started racing, I, too did the same thing.

    Quoted message said:
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    Anyway, that 51:09 is 34% slower than the last time I ran this in 38:10
    as
    a 34 year old....

    Quoted message said:

    So did you win it with a 38:10 back then? Or has the crowd gotten slower?

    I ran it twice before, and the years I ran it, everyone good showed up, and
    I finished 3rd and 4th, when I didn't run it, my time would have won it.
    Timing is everything!

    Quoted message said:

    I guess Doug has some short trail races that may or not be similar, but
    the
    traffic going up there on weekdays is prohibitive. Consider yourself
    lucky.

    Yeah I pinch myself regularly -- mild weather and beautiful nearby mtns...

    Thanks for your comments, good luck on your next race.

    -- Dan

  9. "Teresa Bippert-Plymate" <[email hidden]> wrote

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    http://www.topanga10k.com/course.html


    This looks like fun!!

    As much fun as you can have with skimpy clothing on! :-)

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    One young teenager would fly up the hills, then stop and walk! I've seen
    this phenomena before at local mountain races. Must be something going
    around...

    Quoted message said:

    That seems like an odd way to waste energy!

    The thrill of passing people on the way up overcomes the logic of conserving
    energy. I did the same thing in my first couple of hill races.

    Quoted message said:

    Yeah, but you had a lot of genuine Buts. With a knee back and the right
    training again, you'll get the time down a lot!

    Let's just say I'm motivated...

    Good Training,

    Dan

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