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  1. Sorni <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

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    "Dave Stocker" <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

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    "Technician" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    "]news:[email hidden]...

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    > And you're telling us this BECAUSE...???
    >

    Have you no soul? The OP had a religious moment when he decided that you need to grease the
    bolts. Now he MUST get the word out to all of you non greasing infidels!

    First of all, *I* wrote the above ("And you're..."😉, not Travis.

    And I wrote it BECAUSE the OP didn't include any context in his post. (Who is he? What's he
    talking about? His what twisted in his WHAT?!?)

    Bill "my kingdom for some quoting around here" S.

    Gotta love mis-quoting folks. really improves the simplicity in reading a message (NOT).
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

  2. "Technician" <[email hidden]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    > > And you're telling us this BECAUSE...???
    > >

    First of all, *I* wrote the above ("And you're..."😉, not Travis.


    Gotta love mis-quoting folks. really improves the simplicity in reading a message (NOT).

    OOPS!

    -Dave

  3. "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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    And so the "to grease, or not to grease" battle has begun again. good thing i bought season
    tickets ;-)
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

    I've never heard anyone arguing that steerer tubes should be greased...the only great grease
    debate I know of is in the BB/crankarm interface (and everyone knows you grease ISIS, and do not
    grease square 🙂

    The only things I grease north of the headset are stem bolts and tiny bits of complex seatposts.

    Chris

  4. Chris said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    And so the "to grease, or not to grease" battle has begun again. good thing i bought season
    tickets ;-)
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

    I've never heard anyone arguing that steerer tubes should be greased...the only great grease
    debate I know of is in the BB/crankarm interface (and everyone knows you grease ISIS, and do not
    grease square 🙂

    The only things I grease north of the headset are stem bolts and tiny bits of complex seatposts.

    Chris

    Actually, IIRC the manual for my RaceFace square taper bb calls for a smidgin of grease.

  5. Rich said:

    Chris wrote:

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    I've never heard anyone arguing that steerer tubes should be greased...the only great grease
    debate I know of is in the BB/crankarm interface (and everyone knows you grease ISIS, and do not
    grease square 🙂

    The only things I grease north of the headset are stem bolts and tiny bits of complex seatposts.

    Quoted message said:

    Actually, IIRC the manual for my RaceFace square taper bb calls for a smidgin of grease.

    FWIW, to boil down the whole "to grease a tapered BB spindle or not" debate over on r.b.t..

    Without grease, the friction between the spinde and crank will result in a very slightly less
    repeatable seating of the crank. This means when the crank "sqirms" into its final resting place
    during the first ride, the crank bolt will be slightly looser since the crank has moved further
    "up spindle".

    Greasing causes the crank to slide slightly further (and more repeatably) up the taper, so the crank
    will move less distance up the BB spindle taper during the first ride. The crank bolt will stay
    slightly tighter.

    Residual grease/oil on the BB spindle or crank (or even touching the spindle faces) has essentially
    the same effect as slathering grease on the BB spindle. "Dry" in terms of installing a crank means
    using a solvent and cleaning all the surfaces thoroughly.

    Bottom line: Installed dry or wet, a crank torqued to the proper tension will not cause any
    problems, and won't need to be adjusted after the first ride. However, most people don't use a
    torque wrench and don't really know what the proper torque "feels like" (it's probably tighter than
    you think). This is why so many cranks come loose, and are converted almost immediately into
    recycled aluminum scrap.

    Repeated tightening of the crank bolt is also a very bad idea on a tapered BB spindle. The crank is
    SUPPOSED to move slightly up the spindle to reach an equilibrium (to the regulars here, that's kinda
    like drinking the perfect amount of beer). Each time the crank moves up the spindle, the crank bolt
    will APPEAR to be looser than it was, but the torque that you used (or should have used) to install
    the crank is designed to allow for this. Install it right, leave it alone.

    Mark Hickey Habanero Cycles habcycles.comhabcycles.com Home of the $695 ti frame

  6. Rich <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    And so the "to grease, or not to grease" battle has begun again. good thing i bought season
    tickets ;-)
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

    I've never heard anyone arguing that steerer tubes should be greased...the only great grease
    debate I know of is in the BB/crankarm interface (and everyone knows you grease ISIS, and do not
    grease square 🙂

    The only things I grease north of the headset are stem bolts and tiny bits of complex seatposts.

    Chris

    Actually, IIRC the manual for my RaceFace square taper bb calls for a smidgin of grease.

    Aaaand their off ;-)
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

  7. Mark Hickey said:

    Repeated tightening of the crank bolt is also a very bad idea on a tapered BB spindle. The crank
    is SUPPOSED to move slightly up the spindle to reach an equilibrium (to the regulars here, that's
    kinda like drinking the perfect amount of beer).

    I've never drunk the perfect amount of beer - vomiting, unconsciousness and arrests usually get in
    the way first. Doesn't prevent me from continuing to try though...

    --
    a.m-b FAQ: t-online.deambfaq.htm

    b.bmx FAQ: t-online.debmx faq.htm

  8. "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rich <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:


    Actually, IIRC the manual for my RaceFace square taper bb calls for a smidgin of grease.

    Aaaand their off ;-)
    --
    ~Travis

    Yeah, I totally idn't want to start this up again...notice the smiley face in my original grease/no
    grease post. Anyway...my RF Taperlock was mated to my Next LPs with no grease at all Rich.
    Instructions be damned! Real men don't read 'em 🙂

    Chris

  9. Chris said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rich <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    Actually, IIRC the manual for my RaceFace square taper bb calls for a smidgin of grease.

    Aaaand their off ;-)
    --
    ~Travis

    Yeah, I totally idn't want to start this up again...notice the smiley face in my original
    grease/no grease post. Anyway...my RF Taperlock was mated to my Next LPs with no grease at all
    Rich. Instructions be damned! Real men don't read 'em 🙂

    Chris

    I didn't mean to flare anthing up but I'd sure enjoy the show😉 My method has always been to grease
    the wipe off as much as I could with my bare fingers. That seems to leave a little film behind.

  10. Rich <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rich <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:

    >Actually, IIRC the manual for my RaceFace square taper bb calls for a smidgin of grease.
    >
    >

    Aaaand their off ;-)
    --
    ~Travis

    Yeah, I totally idn't want to start this up again...notice the smiley face in my original
    grease/no grease post. Anyway...my RF Taperlock was mated to my Next LPs with no grease at all
    Rich. Instructions be damned! Real men don't read 'em 🙂

    Chris

    I didn't mean to flare anthing up but I'd sure enjoy the show😉 My method has always been to
    grease the wipe off as much as I could with my bare fingers. That seems to leave a little
    film behind.

    You grease the wipe off? ;-)
    --
    ~Travis

    megalink.net~farmers

  11. Technician said:

    Rich <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    >Rich <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    >>Actually, IIRC the manual for my RaceFace square taper bb calls for a smidgin of grease.
    >>
    >>
    >
    >Aaaand their off ;-)
    >--
    >~Travis

    Yeah, I totally idn't want to start this up again...notice the smiley face in my original
    grease/no grease post. Anyway...my RF Taperlock was mated to my Next LPs with no grease at all
    Rich. Instructions be damned! Real men don't read 'em 🙂

    Chris

    I didn't mean to flare anthing up but I'd sure enjoy the show😉 My method has always been to
    grease the wipe off as much as I could with my bare fingers. That seems to leave a little
    film behind.

    You grease the wipe off? ;-)

    "n":insert where appropriate. (disclaimer: not responsible for inappropritely inserted "n"😉

  12. Rich <[email hidden]> wrote in message "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:
    Chris said:

    "Technician" <[email hidden]> wrote in message
    "]news:[email hidden]...

    Quoted message said:

    Rich <[email hidden]> spoke thusly...

    Quoted message said:

    >Actually, IIRC the manual for my RaceFace square taper bb calls for a smidgin of grease.
    >
    >

    Aaaand their off ;-)
    --
    ~Travis

    Yeah, I totally idn't want to start this up again...notice the smiley


    face

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    in my original grease/no grease post. Anyway...my RF Taperlock was


    mated to

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    my Next LPs with no grease at all Rich. Instructions be damned! Real


    men

    Quoted message said:
    Quoted message said:

    don't read 'em 🙂

    Chris

    I didn't mean to flare anthing up but I'd sure enjoy the show😉 My method has always been to
    grease the wipe off as much as I could with my bare fingers. That seems to leave a little
    film behind.

    I slather the stuff on the taper of the BB, inside the taper of the cranks, inside the bolt hole,
    onto the bolt threads, then watch it all ooze out when I tighten it all up. Lovely.

    I also grease stem to steerer and bar to stem before tightening - I've never had my bars/stem etc.
    slip, no matter the situation - IDGAF what anyone else thinks about my greasing habits anyhow,
    heheheheh.......

    Shaun aRe

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