This Week's Realization

On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:48:53 -0500, "Colleen" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'd guess the lowered BG's. I would get nasty PP headaches before
diagnosis. After I got it under control they disappeared.

Mine seemed to be time of day and unrelated to meals; I'd get them in
the mid afternoon.

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:00:01 -0700, Chris J. <[email hidden]>
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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:48:53 -0500, "Colleen" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'd guess the lowered BG's. I would get nasty PP headaches before
diagnosis. After I got it under control they disappeared.

Mine seemed to be time of day and unrelated to meals; I'd get them in
the mid afternoon.

that doesn't mean that the headaches were not related to BG problems.

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President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
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half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."

Jesus never hated anyone.

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 13:00:01 -0700, Chris J. <[email hidden]>
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On Tue, 9 Aug 2005 08:48:53 -0500, "Colleen" <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

I'd guess the lowered BG's. I would get nasty PP headaches before
diagnosis. After I got it under control they disappeared.

Mine seemed to be time of day and unrelated to meals; I'd get them in
the mid afternoon.

that doesn't mean that the headaches were not related to BG problems.

Mâck©®
Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.diabetic-talk.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the
President, or that we are to stand by the President
right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile,
but is morally treasonable to the American public."
....Theodore Roosevelt

(o o)
--ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------

"I don't know half of you
half as well as I should like;
and I like less than half of you
half as well as you deserve."

Jesus never hated anyone.

Seriously FOB,I'm just messing with you. If you have found a way that works
for you then god bless you.But I do worry about people that eat a lot of
animal protein.It still the main cause of plaque building up in your
arteries.That of course leads to high blood pressure and other issues. But
I know someone on Southbeach and he swears by it as far as weight
cholesterol and BP.However he does walk several miles a day which helps a
lot too. In actuality a sentintary lifestyle make be the biggest risk
factor in a lot of folks problems.The body needs to be challenged to stay
young. It's even being shown that keeping the mind challenged has slowed
altheimers.

Good luck with your diet. I admire anyone who has the will power to kick
anything that's a problem for them.

FOB said:

Most of us don't plan to ever go off. And not everyone likes chocolate
cake, in fact it is at the very bottom of things that might tempt me.

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| You can expect to balloon to over 300lbs. once off the low carb
| diet.It'll happen because fat bastids can't resist chocolate cake.
|
|

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On 8 Aug 2005 14:28:18 -0700, "Doug Freyburger" <[email hidden]>

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TavliGal wrote:
>
> I too used to get alot of headaches, more like migraines, but not
> anymore.
> I'm rarely popping the tylenol or advil nowadays.

Before starting Atkins I used to get 3-5 common migraines or
cluster headaches per year. In the 6 years since I started
I've had ONE. It was during a month I was far off the wagon.

Hmmmm. I'm very low carb right now, so perhaps it's the low carb and
not the lowering of BG's that is making me headache free?

I used to get a lot of very bad headaches before diagnosed diabetic.
not anymore and I am far from low carb.

Hmmm. Well, whether it's the carbs, the BG's, or food alergies, I can
say one thing for sure: I don't miss them. :-)

Quoted message said:

Seriously FOB,I'm just messing with you. If you have found a way that
works
for you then god bless you.But I do worry about people that eat a lot of
animal protein.It still the main cause of plaque building up in your
arteries.

You really, really need to read "The Cholesterol Myths". First of all,
studies show that extremely high levels of saturated fat do not cause
heart disease. Moreover, studies show that the amount of total
cholesterol in your blood is basically uncorrelated with plaque buildup.
Finally, just because you have little plaque buildup does not mean you
won't die of heart disease.

Quoted message said:

That of course leads to high blood pressure and other issues. But
I know someone on Southbeach and he swears by it as far as weight
cholesterol and BP.However he does walk several miles a day which helps a
lot too. In actuality a sentintary lifestyle make be the biggest risk
factor in a lot of folks problems.The body needs to be challenged to stay
young. It's even being shown that keeping the mind challenged has slowed
altheimers.

Good luck with your diet. I admire anyone who has the will power to kick
anything that's a problem for them.

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Bob in CT

You're wrong about animal protein. And how much is too much? I average
<100 grams of protein a day, I don't have the ability to pull out the
sources but believe that less than 2/3 of that is animal protein. Even less
if you don't count fish as "animal". What else do you count as animal, are
cheese and eggs animal?

I don't have will power, I just like the low carb way of eating. Part of
that may be my age, I have done enough eating of carby things that I don't
need to do it again. If I had will power I would make myself exercise. I
know it's very good for you but hate it and have some pain issues that make
it even more detestable. However, I am willing to accept the consequences
of my inaction. You won't see me whining that I can't lose weight or am
flabby.

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| Seriously FOB,I'm just messing with you. If you have found a way that
| works for you then god bless you.But I do worry about people that eat
| a lot of animal protein.It still the main cause of plaque building up
| in your arteries.That of course leads to high blood pressure and
| other issues. But I know someone on Southbeach and he swears by it as
| far as weight cholesterol and BP.However he does walk several miles a
| day which helps a lot too. In actuality a sentintary lifestyle make
| be the biggest risk factor in a lot of folks problems.The body needs
| to be challenged to stay young. It's even being shown that keeping
| the mind challenged has slowed altheimers.
|
| Good luck with your diet. I admire anyone who has the will power to
| kick anything that's a problem for them.
|
|
|
| "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| Most of us don't plan to ever go off. And not everyone likes
|| chocolate cake, in fact it is at the very bottom of things that
|| might tempt me.
||
|| In news:[email hidden],
|| [email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
||| You can expect to balloon to over 300lbs. once off the low carb
||| diet.It'll happen because fat bastids can't resist chocolate cake.

You're wrong about animal protein. And how much is too much? I average
<100 grams of protein a day, I don't have the ability to pull out the
sources but believe that less than 2/3 of that is animal protein. Even less
if you don't count fish as "animal". What else do you count as animal, are
cheese and eggs animal?

I don't have will power, I just like the low carb way of eating. Part of
that may be my age, I have done enough eating of carby things that I don't
need to do it again. If I had will power I would make myself exercise. I
know it's very good for you but hate it and have some pain issues that make
it even more detestable. However, I am willing to accept the consequences
of my inaction. You won't see me whining that I can't lose weight or am
flabby.

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| Seriously FOB,I'm just messing with you. If you have found a way that
| works for you then god bless you.But I do worry about people that eat
| a lot of animal protein.It still the main cause of plaque building up
| in your arteries.That of course leads to high blood pressure and
| other issues. But I know someone on Southbeach and he swears by it as
| far as weight cholesterol and BP.However he does walk several miles a
| day which helps a lot too. In actuality a sentintary lifestyle make
| be the biggest risk factor in a lot of folks problems.The body needs
| to be challenged to stay young. It's even being shown that keeping
| the mind challenged has slowed altheimers.
|
| Good luck with your diet. I admire anyone who has the will power to
| kick anything that's a problem for them.
|
|
|
| "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| Most of us don't plan to ever go off. And not everyone likes
|| chocolate cake, in fact it is at the very bottom of things that
|| might tempt me.
||
|| In news:[email hidden],
|| [email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
||| You can expect to balloon to over 300lbs. once off the low carb
||| diet.It'll happen because fat bastids can't resist chocolate cake.

Well there was a time when meat was fairly safe before it became a big
corporate enity.I used to love raw ground beef but the last time I ate some
my colon was in upheaval for two weeks.

Actually there was a time you couldn't eat raw pork because of the
worms.Pigs eat anything including any stray feces laying arund. They would
get tapeworms and they would grow several feet long inside them.Well they
would just get chopped up with the meat and take up residence in your body.
They now raise pigs in high rises where they never touch the ground.
Doesn't make it safe to eat raw but still less dangerous for infestation.

FOB said:

Well, even before low carbing I have always been a meat eater, have
survived nicely to age 69 so far, so am not terribly worried. It would
be nice to have more natural meats, which I probably did have earlier in
life as these changes in farming are fairly recent.

Oh, and I eat mine raw, blood dripping from my chin.

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| Well I hope you enjoy all the steroids,growth hormones,antibioics,
| pesticides,parasites etc. that go into an animal these days.Not to
| mention the contaminated parts of a downed cow's vertabre being mixed
| in.
|
| Oh that's right cooking them at high temperatures gets rid of this
| stuff lol.
|

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"Ernst Primer"
LOL..Not me buddy. I could eat 5 cakes a day and not gain an ounce.I've
weighed 165-170 since I was in my 20's and am 52 now. Not one person ever
has asked me the secret to staying slim lol.

Quoted message said:

Anyone who gorges on chocolate cake will get fat.

Quoted message said:

You can expect to balloon to over 300lbs. once off the low carb
diet.It'll happen because fat bastids can't resist chocolate cake.

Quoted message said:

McPhallus wrote:
I weighed 258 on April 27th, 2005. I now weight 232 pounds as of
today. All because of low carbing.

You can't argue with that, baldies.

> Dr. fAtkins was fat. And now he's dead. And his company is in
> bankruptcy.
>
> <[email hidden]> wrote in message
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> >
> > Doug Freyburger wrote:
> >> Bailey's Girl wrote:
> >> >
> >> > This week -- my hair isn't falling out anymore!
> >>
> >> About 6 months after starting Atkins I compared before
> >> and after photos. The advance of grey seemed to have
> >> gotten several years set-back. It was amazing. I
> >> have since stayed on mostly-Atkins-Maintenance for
> >> long enough that there's more grey no matter the set
> >> back, but I took any delay I could get.
> >
> > Hm. Maybe it will slow my hair loss...
> >
> > (crossposted to alt.baldspot)
> >

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Bob,I personally don't believe cholesterol is all that big a health risk.
Different people carry different levels irregardless. A lot has to do with
how your liver dispenses of it. So what's high for you may be low for me
etc. Cholesterol drugs are a big money maker so of course they want you to
think it's dangerous.Mine stays around 190 and my brothers around 300 and
he's been on all the drugs and it hasn't gone down any.

Of course you guys have spent a lot more time studying this stuff than I. I
just have pherifial knowledge.

The last time I went to the doc she told me they keep changing the levels
that suggest borderline high etc.

So like a lot of medical problems its a lot guess work and there's no one
size fits all policy.

Bob in CT said:

Quoted message said:

Seriously FOB,I'm just messing with you. If you have found a way that
works
for you then god bless you.But I do worry about people that eat a lot
of animal protein.It still the main cause of plaque building up in your
arteries.

You really, really need to read "The Cholesterol Myths". First of all,
studies show that extremely high levels of saturated fat do not cause
heart disease. Moreover, studies show that the amount of total
cholesterol in your blood is basically uncorrelated with plaque buildup.
Finally, just because you have little plaque buildup does not mean you
won't die of heart disease.

Quoted message said:

That of course leads to high blood pressure and other issues. But
I know someone on Southbeach and he swears by it as far as weight
cholesterol and BP.However he does walk several miles a day which helps
a lot too. In actuality a sentintary lifestyle make be the biggest risk
factor in a lot of folks problems.The body needs to be challenged to
stay young. It's even being shown that keeping the mind challenged has
slowed altheimers.

Good luck with your diet. I admire anyone who has the will power to
kick anything that's a problem for them.

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Lol well most people do hate exercising including me. I stuck with it a
pretty long time one time and got some good definition. Of course I didn't
have any flab to lose first so it made that easier. I've had a herniated
disc since 2000 so it pretty much killed my ambition for exercise.

As far as your diet goes chief all I can say if it works for you and your
happy with it then good for you. I eat a terrible diet including tons of
starches and sugar although I have cut back on sugar quite a bit..I stopped
eating meat completely for about 5 months and have been now about twice a
week.Mostly out of boredom. I even wonder about fish now depending on where
they are caught.There's a lot of mercury contamination in the water
especially fresh water and that [censored] is in the fishes DNA make up. Veggies
are sprayed with dozens of pestisides and herbicides and even now
genetically altered food that has a resistence to Round Up.Some even say
the wax on fruits to perserve them is dangerous.Look up Monsanto and see
what horror stories you see about their seeds.

Hot house tomatoes are blasted with gas in a closed trailer to turn them
red overnight. In short it's a [censored] shoot no matter what you eat unless
it's organic.Now we have [censored] coming over fro Mexico where their laws are
even more lenient than ours.

FOB said:

You're wrong about animal protein. And how much is too much? I average
<100 grams of protein a day, I don't have the ability to pull out the
sources but believe that less than 2/3 of that is animal protein. Even
less if you don't count fish as "animal". What else do you count as
animal, are cheese and eggs animal?

I don't have will power, I just like the low carb way of eating. Part of
that may be my age, I have done enough eating of carby things that I
don't need to do it again. If I had will power I would make myself
exercise. I know it's very good for you but hate it and have some pain
issues that make it even more detestable. However, I am willing to
accept the consequences of my inaction. You won't see me whining that I
can't lose weight or am flabby.

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| Seriously FOB,I'm just messing with you. If you have found a way that
| works for you then god bless you.But I do worry about people that eat
| a lot of animal protein.It still the main cause of plaque building up
| in your arteries.That of course leads to high blood pressure and
| other issues. But I know someone on Southbeach and he swears by it as
| far as weight cholesterol and BP.However he does walk several miles a
| day which helps a lot too. In actuality a sentintary lifestyle make
| be the biggest risk factor in a lot of folks problems.The body needs
| to be challenged to stay young. It's even being shown that keeping
| the mind challenged has slowed altheimers.
|
| Good luck with your diet. I admire anyone who has the will power to
| kick anything that's a problem for them.
|
|
|
| "FOB" <[email hidden]> wrote:
|| Most of us don't plan to ever go off. And not everyone likes
|| chocolate cake, in fact it is at the very bottom of things that
|| might tempt me.
||
|| In news:[email hidden],
|| [email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
||| You can expect to balloon to over 300lbs. once off the low carb
||| diet.It'll happen because fat bastids can't resist chocolate cake.

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On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 14:11:50 -0700, Chris J. <[email hidden]>

Quoted message said:

On Tue, 09 Aug 2005 18:58:12 GMT, "Thomas Muffaletto"
<[email hidden]> wrote:

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I used to get a lot of very bad headaches before diagnosed diabetic.
not anymore and I am far from low carb.

Hmmm. Well, whether it's the carbs, the BG's, or food alergies, I can
say one thing for sure: I don't miss them. :-)

I'm with you Chris -- I really don't care what solved the problem.
That the problem is solved suits me fine! Especially since I rarely
took anything for them. Would make for along day. ;-)

August Goals: Keep BGLs in normal range; Not hungry, don't eat
Weight: 27 pounds gone (whoop!)
Measurements: 11 inches gone 06/19/2005
A1c 6.8! Ack!

Quoted message said:

Well there was a time when meat was fairly safe before it became a big
corporate enity.I used to love raw ground beef but the last time I ate some
my colon was in upheaval for two weeks.

Actually there was a time you couldn't eat raw pork because of the
worms.Pigs eat anything including any stray feces laying arund. They would
get tapeworms and they would grow several feet long inside them.Well they
would just get chopped up with the meat and take up residence in your body.
They now raise pigs in high rises where they never touch the ground.
Doesn't make it safe to eat raw but still less dangerous for infestation.

FOB said:

Well, even before low carbing I have always been a meat eater, have
survived nicely to age 69 so far, so am not terribly worried. It would
be nice to have more natural meats, which I probably did have earlier in
life as these changes in farming are fairly recent.

Oh, and I eat mine raw, blood dripping from my chin.

In news:[email hidden],
[email hidden] <[email hidden]> stated
| Well I hope you enjoy all the steroids,growth hormones,antibioics,
| pesticides,parasites etc. that go into an animal these days.Not to
| mention the contaminated parts of a downed cow's vertabre being mixed
| in.
|
| Oh that's right cooking them at high temperatures gets rid of this
| stuff lol.
|

Mmmmmm. read meat. 🙂