This is acceptable?????

Bill C said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php

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Now it's time for
Amit to call me a chamois sniffer for objecting to this.

dumbass,

i would call someone a chamois sniffer when they don't want to hold
the athletes accountable.

this is a stupid idea because it's just not a good way of catching
dopers - neither is in competition testing apparently.

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dumbass,

i would call someone a chamois sniffer when they don't want to hold
the athletes accountable.

this is a stupid idea because it's just not a good way of catching
dopers - neither is in competition testing apparently.

1984

--
JF

"Bad will be the day for every man when he becomes absolutely contented with
the life he is living, with the thoughts he is thinking, with the deeds he
is doing, when there is not forever beating at the doors of his soul some
great desire to do something larger, which he knows that he was meant and
made to do because he is still, in spite of all, the child of God. "
- Phillip Brooks

Jim F said:

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dumbass,

Quoted message said:

i would call someone a chamois sniffer when they don't want to hold
the athletes accountable.

Quoted message said:

this is a stupid idea because it's just not a good way of catching
dopers - neither is in competition testing apparently.

1984

--
JF

"Bad will be the day for every man when he becomes absolutely contented with
the life he is living, with the thoughts he is thinking, with the deeds he
is doing, when there is not forever beating at the doors of his soul some
great desire to do something larger, which he knows that he was meant and
made to do because he is still, in spite of all, the child of God. "
- Phillip Brooks

The pushers could always go to the rider's house. What good is the
tracking device then? And the dog could be trained not to bark.

Andre

On Dec 28, 7:54 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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On Dec 28, 8:45 pm, Bill C <[email hidden]> wrote:

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i would call someone a chamois sniffer when they don't want to hold
the athletes accountable.

The athletes are so accountable that they have attained the highest
order of accountability, "Totally Accountable for Everything" (AKA
"Scapegoat"😉.

Cops raiding rider hotels is "Theatre of the Absurd". IOW, we've been
there for a long, long time.

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this is a stupid idea because it's just not a good way of catching
dopers - neither is in competition testing apparently.

Yes, they made some very stupid rules. "Stupid" because the governing
bodies can't enforce them effectively (or gracefully) in-house.

Even for drugs, you gotta look at NASCAR and wonder if greasy fried
chicken and Pabst Blue Ribbon by the case in cans isn't brain food?
(maybe it's the green beans with bacon fat?)

Watch, they're even gonna clean up the problem with the locally hired
goons doing infield security after the Casey Kahne incident.

There's an organization that knows how to sell out to corporate
sponsors. Corporate sponsors... ah, visions of Smith's Cove, Grand
Cayman. The waves lapping oh so gently, money coming in to stay for a
nice, relaxing vay-kay and going back to the real world, all refreshed
and ready to spend!

http://www.rense.com/general28/money.htm

I don't know, I read stuff like that and my sense of what's up kinda
changes with regard to throwing athletes out of their sports for
taking drugs (any drugs, including disco drugs or smoking dope).

Well, that's why they want us all to keep busy praying and hating the
homosexuals and (in the approximate words of George Will) "standing
for something"-- and so forth, right? --D-y

...it's a Trojan Horse...

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GPS tracking for athletes?
Two Swedish Olympic track and field champions, Carolina Klüft,

heptathlon,

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and Stefan Holm, high jump, have come out in support
of the idea of having athletes implanted with GPS chips
to more easily track their whereabouts for antidoping controls.

...the "chip" is THE dope!...

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

(Michael Baldwin) said:

..it's a Trojan Horse...

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GPS tracking for athletes?
Two Swedish Olympic track and field champions, Carolina Klüft,

heptathlon,

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and Stefan Holm, high jump, have come out in support
of the idea of having athletes implanted with GPS chips
to more easily track their whereabouts for antidoping controls.

..the "chip" is THE dope!...

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

When I had my shoulder done the surgeon plugged a line into the joint
connected to a spring loaded pump that pumped anasthetic into the
joint. I can't see any reason that one of those pumping "PotBelge"
couldn't be hooked up to feed from a bidon, or jersey pocket.
Bill C

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<[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

(Michael Baldwin) said:

..it's a Trojan Horse...

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GPS tracking for athletes?
Two Swedish Olympic track and field champions, Carolina Klüft,

heptathlon,

Quoted message said:

and Stefan Holm, high jump, have come out in support
of the idea of having athletes implanted with GPS chips
to more easily track their whereabouts for antidoping controls.

..the "chip" is THE dope!...

Best Regards - Mike Baldwin

When I had my shoulder done the surgeon plugged a line into the joint
connected to a spring loaded pump that pumped anasthetic into the
joint. I can't see any reason that one of those pumping "PotBelge"
couldn't be hooked up to feed from a bidon, or jersey pocket.
Bill C

I look forward to the day when cyclesport will let technology reign, and
a doctor riding in the team car will have two-way radio systems on the
rider: heart rate and other vitals coming in to him, and then he uses
the radio to dole out shots of adrenaline, pot belge, or IV Gatorade
(hey, why not?) via remote controlled pumps.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

Ryan Cousineau said:

I look forward to the day when cyclesport will let technology reign, and
a doctor riding in the team car will have two-way radio systems on the
rider: heart rate and other vitals coming in to him, and then he uses
the radio to dole out shots of adrenaline, pot belge, or IV Gatorade
(hey, why not?) via remote controlled pumps.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden]://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.  
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing- Hide quoted text -

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Then Wada could morph into chasing elctronic cheats, searching cars
for jammers, and scanners, maybe even gear to take over someone elses
controls and take out the leader. Could they get their rider right to
the chemical edge, but not over it?
Think I'll stick to the retro-grouch thing though.
Bill C

Ryan Cousineau said:

I look forward to the day when cyclesport will let technology reign, and a
doctor riding in the team car will have two-way radio systems on the
rider: heart rate and other vitals coming in to him, and then he uses the
radio to dole out shots of adrenaline, pot belge, or IV Gatorade (hey, why
not?) via remote controlled pumps.

Could get interesting if the teams get their lines crossed.

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When I had my shoulder done the surgeon plugged a line into the joint
connected to a spring loaded pump that pumped anasthetic into the
joint. I can't see any reason that one of those pumping "PotBelge"
couldn't be hooked up to feed from a bidon, or jersey pocket.

I could build such a thing the size of a quarter that could be implanted
under the skin and be almost invisible. If you were to use about a half
dozen different extremely powerful steroids the dosage could be so small
that it couldn't be detected and if you did it right it would jazz up your
hormone system so much that they'd think it was a freak natural.

Bill C said:

Think I'll stick to the retro-grouch thing though.

you mean autologous blood doping ?

On Dec 30, 2:23 pm, "[email hidden]" <[email hidden]>

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Bill C said:

Think I'll stick to the retro-grouch thing though.

you mean autologous blood doping ?

Nah, just beer, wine, and caffeine since I quit smoking a long time
ago. Think I'll take my caffeine in a cup though, not in the ass.
Wouldn't matter much if I did hgh, epo, 'roids, pot-belge with extra
amphetamine topping I'd still get smoked, even by my kids.
What I need to do is start lobbying for a Cross Nat's race for fat,
middle aged guys with hundred year old bodies, whose birthday is on
the 30th of a month that starts with an S, and at least soma, and
oxycodone are legal. I could top 5 in that.
If you pumped me full of Riis' 60% blood I might manage a podium
spot, but hey it's still a lot of fun.
That's the goal for this year. To do a couple of Cross races, and our
whole club TT series.

Bill C

Bill C said:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/dec07/dec29news

GPS tracking for athletes?

I saw that and was very disturbed. It's just wrong.

On Dec 30, 8:03 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:45:51 -0800 (PST), Bill C

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/dec07/dec29news

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GPS tracking for athletes?

I saw that and was very disturbed. It's just wrong.

It's also fairly pointless. The purpose of the GPS chip
would be to make sure the dope cops could find you when
they showed up for an out of competition test. There's
already a rule that the athletes have to let the dope
cops know where they are by more conventional methods.
But as we saw from l'affaire Rasmussen, it's not clear
what the consequences of missing an out-of-competition
test are, and the different national dope-cop agencies
and national federations seem to have quite different
standards about whether they do out-of-competition tests,
where they do them, and what happens when you miss one.
This doesn't address that the real issues with OOC testing
are consistent rules and the expense.

So this "solves" the part of the problem that isn't
really a problem. Among other things, the dope cops
don't really need to know where you are right now.
They need to know where you're going to be in a day
or two, so they can actually get there to do the test.
GPS chips aren't psychic. The athletes would still
need to give the UCI or ADA their travel plans, so
they don't come to test you in Des Moines and find
you innocently hopped the plane to San Diego the
day before.

Ben

On Dec 30, 10:03 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:45:51 -0800 (PST), Bill C

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/dec07/dec29news

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GPS tracking for athletes?

I saw that and was very disturbed. It's just wrong.

dumbass,

if lance were still racing he'd read that article and laugh.

On Dec 30, 10:03 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:45:51 -0800 (PST), Bill C

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/dec07/dec29news

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GPS tracking for athletes?

I saw that and was very disturbed.  It's just wrong.

The whole scene is insane. It's like a twisted parody. They are doing
and suggesting things that make the "patriot act" look like a joke,
and we aren't talking trying to save innocent lives, or stop suicidal
terrorists, we're talking bike racing.
Somewhere along the line "athlete" has ceased to mean "human" in the
insane war on doping. If it's wrong in trying to prevent mass murder,
how much more wrong is it in enetrtainment?
I never thought that I'd see the day they need to apply basic,
international human rights laws to a sport, other than maybe in
dealing with soccer hooligans.
The whole thing is sick.
Bill C

Bill C said:

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GPS tracking for athletes?

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

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I saw that and was very disturbed.  It's just wrong.

Bill C said:

The whole scene is insane. It's like a twisted parody.

It's all just a little bit of history repeating itself AKA the
Torquemada complex.

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<[email hidden]>,

Bill C said:

On Dec 30, 10:03 pm, John Forrest Tomlinson <[email hidden]>

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On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:45:51 -0800 (PST), Bill C

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2007/dec07/dec29news

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GPS tracking for athletes?

I saw that and was very disturbed.  It's just wrong.

The whole scene is insane. It's like a twisted parody. They are doing
and suggesting things that make the "patriot act" look like a joke,
and we aren't talking trying to save innocent lives, or stop suicidal
terrorists, we're talking bike racing.
Somewhere along the line "athlete" has ceased to mean "human" in the
insane war on doping. If it's wrong in trying to prevent mass murder,
how much more wrong is it in enetrtainment?
I never thought that I'd see the day they need to apply basic,
international human rights laws to a sport, other than maybe in
dealing with soccer hooligans.
The whole thing is sick.
Bill C

It's an art project.

--
Ryan Cousineau [email hidden] http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing

Donald Munro said:

Bill C said:

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>GPS tracking for athletes?

John Forrest Tomlinson said:

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I saw that and was very disturbed.  It's just wrong.

Bill C said:

The whole scene is insane. It's like a twisted parody.

It's all just a little bit of history repeating itself AKA the
Torquemada complex.

Is Tourquemada another version of the PowerTap?

--
Bill Asher