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John Riley wrote:
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> I don't think it would have to be maglev. Just ordinary trains that went faster than cars might do
> it. I think they already have car hauling trains on the East coast so snowbirds can have their
> cars in Florida without having to drive them.
>
> Florida is working on high speed passenger trains, but Florida doesn't have enough density anywere
> for this to work in a conventional sense, as far as I can see. You would either need to take cars
> on the train, or have rentals readily available at every station. The second option might work.
> That is pretty much what happens when you fly anywhere in Florida now.
>
> The train/bike combination would be only for the brave in Florida. It is one of the least safe
> places to bike in the country.
>

The maglev system has the advantage that the tracks and each individual car form the propulsion
system, so there is no need for a locomotive. This would mean that maglev cars could be sized to
carry individual motor vehicles (or a group of HPVer's), allowing much greater flexibility than
conventional rail would.

Maglev cars accelerate much faster than conventional high-speed passenger trains, so the average
speeds are much greater, especially over shorter distances. [1] In addition, conventional high-speed
rail systems are limited to about 1 degree of curvature or less in the tracks, which makes obtaining
right-of-way for the lines a hugely expensive proposition. Maglev cars should be able to handle up
to 3 degrees of curvature in the tracks at full speed. Since Interstate Highways are designed with a
minimum radius of curvature of 3 degrees, maglev tracks could be constructed in the medians of
existing interstates.

[1] This phenomenon should be very familiar to cyclists.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
 
> degrees of curvature in the tracks at full speed. Since Interstate Highways are designed with a
> minimum radius of curvature of 3 degrees, maglev tracks could be constructed in the medians of
> existing interstates.
>

Which would make those loss of control, car/truck into/across the median situations a whole new
level of horror. A semi into the median, derailing the train, sending it sliding down the highway at
200 mph???????? That'd be fun...........................
 
MikeB wrote:
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> > degrees of curvature in the tracks at full speed. Since Interstate Highways are designed with a
> > minimum radius of curvature of 3 degrees, maglev tracks could be constructed in the medians of
> > existing interstates.
> >
>
> Which would make those loss of control, car/truck into/across the median situations a whole new
> level of horror. A semi into the median, derailing the train, sending it sliding down the highway
> at 200 mph???????? That'd be fun...........................

It is a relatively simple matter to construct a median barrier that will prevent such an event from
occurring.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
 
Are there maglev systems in existence, hauling passengers?

JR

Tom Sherman wrote:
>
> John Riley wrote:
> >
> > I don't think it would have to be maglev. Just ordinary trains that went faster than cars might
> > do it. I think they already have car hauling trains on the East coast so snowbirds can have
> > their cars in Florida without having to drive them.
> >
> > Florida is working on high speed passenger trains, but Florida doesn't have enough density
> > anywere for this to work in a conventional sense, as far as I can see. You would either need to
> > take cars on the train, or have rentals readily available at every station. The second option
> > might work. That is pretty much what happens when you fly anywhere in Florida now.
> >
> > The train/bike combination would be only for the brave in Florida. It is one of the least safe
> > places to bike in the country.
> >
>
> The maglev system has the advantage that the tracks and each individual car form the propulsion
> system, so there is no need for a locomotive. This would mean that maglev cars could be sized to
> carry individual motor vehicles (or a group of HPVer's), allowing much greater flexibility than
> conventional rail would.
>
> Maglev cars accelerate much faster than conventional high-speed passenger trains, so the average
> speeds are much greater, especially over shorter distances. [1] In addition, conventional
> high-speed rail systems are limited to about 1 degree of curvature or less in the tracks, which
> makes obtaining right-of-way for the lines a hugely expensive proposition. Maglev cars should be
> able to handle up to 3 degrees of curvature in the tracks at full speed. Since Interstate Highways
> are designed with a minimum radius of curvature of 3 degrees, maglev tracks could be constructed
> in the medians of existing interstates.
>
> [1] This phenomenon should be very familiar to cyclists.
>
> Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
 
John Riley wrote:
>
> Are there maglev systems in existence, hauling passengers?
>
> JR

The first such system just opened from downtown Shanghai China to the international airport which is
quite a distance away (built with primarily German technology).

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
 
I was in Shanghai in 1985 ... at the time it was a very tired replica of Cleveland, circa 1930. The
population was 14 million and the airport would not have been sufficient to serve Akron, Ohio in
1935. It was a monument to the ineffectiveness and futility of the worker paradise the Communists
purported to be creating. Today, under even modified capitalism, Shanghai is one of the world's most
exciting cities.

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Gator Bob Siegel EasyRacers Ti Rush "Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> John Riley wrote:
> >
> > Are there maglev systems in existence, hauling passengers?
> >
> > JR
>
> The first such system just opened from downtown Shanghai China to the international airport which
> is quite a distance away (built with primarily German technology).
>
> Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
 
Robert Siegel wrote:
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> I was in Shanghai in 1985 ... at the time it was a very tired replica of Cleveland, circa 1930....

Robert,

You must have been an extremely precocious infant to remember what Cleveland was like in 1930.

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
 
Gotcha, Tom! I went to college, lived and worked in Ohio from 1946 through 1961. I lived in or near
Cleveland from 1952 -1961. I have a damn good idea what Cleveland looked like in the 1930s.
Actually, it had changed very little by 1950.

Gator Bob Siegel EasyRacers Ti Rush

"Tom Sherman" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
>
> Robert Siegel wrote:
> >
> > I was in Shanghai in 1985 ... at the time it was a very tired replica of Cleveland, circa
> > 1930....
>
> Robert,
>
> You must have been an extremely precocious infant to remember what Cleveland was like in 1930.
>
> Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side) Various HPV's
 
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 13:03:03 -0000, "Dave Larrington" <[email protected]> wrote:

>Guy points us at Futurecycles webby neurons. By squinting, it appears that the LWB in the right
>picture is a Linear, while the Tour Easy *may* be Andrew Alexander's and thus one of the four I
>mentioned earlier :)

I had no doubt of it - there are few enough TEs in the UK that you would expect this to the same,
after all.

Guy
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Tom Sherman:

> Highways are designed with a minimum radius of curvature of 3 degrees, maglev tracks could be
> constructed in the medians of existing interstates.

Mike Bradbury:

> Which would make those loss of control, car/truck into/across the median situations a whole new
> level of horror. A semi into the median, derailing the train, sending it sliding down the highway
> at 200 mph????????

As Tom notes, it is not difficult to construct a barrier to keep motor vehicles and trains apart. I
*think* it's in Duisburg[1] where the local commuter railway line runs down the central reservation
of the autobahn, and neither I nor anyone else has yet been hit by a train there...

1 - it's certainly somewhere around the Ruhr.

Dave Larrington - http://legslarry.crosswinds.net/
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Bill I think the Tiger is a wonderful bike. A nice wide gear range, a wonderful seat, a small light
weight package that handles well. Lightest version we have done was
18.5 pounds. When we need to drive it fits right in the mini-van for the cycling at the other end of
the drive. My opinion is big wheels would ruin a perfect package. My Pursuit is faster though.
Happy cycling Steve "Speedy" Delaire

Bill Hole wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, "S. Delaire \"Rotatorrecumbent\""
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > The 700c version started a little over two years ago with a gift from Shimano of a set of
> > beautiful Utegra wheels. They asked us to try them on a bike. Glad they
> > did. The customers love them. Smooth on the road. Makes for a looong bike. Gearing isn't as wide
> > but most customers seem to prefer the regular gear system.
> >
> > Still taking orders for the 20" wheel version. Happy cycling Steve
> >
>
> Steve, have you ever built a big-wheel Tiger? If so, how did it compare to the Pursuit and the
> small-wheel Tiger? Seems to me that a big-wheel Tiger would compare very nicely to the Bacchettas.
>
> Bill Hole Rotator Pursuit (20" and lovin' it) BikeE E2
>
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Dave Larrington wrote:
>
> As Tom notes, it is not difficult to construct a barrier to keep motor vehicles and trains apart.
> I *think* it's in Duisburg[1] where the local commuter railway line runs down the central
> reservation of the autobahn, and neither I nor anyone else has yet been hit by a train there...
>
> 1 - it's certainly somewhere around the Ruhr.

Most of the "named" [1] Expressways [2] in the Chicago have "L" commuter train lines running down
their medians. I have yet to hear of any train-motor vehicle collisions on these roads.

[1] Edens, Kennedy, Eisenhower, Stevenson, and Dan Ryan
[2] Linear parking lots much of the time - Critical Mass of the motor vehicle operators?

Tom Sherman - Quad Cities USA (Illinois side)
 
"S. Delaire \"Rotatorrecumbent\"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Bill I think the Tiger is a wonderful bike. A nice wide gear range, a wonderful seat, a small
> light weight package that handles well. Lightest version we have done was
> 18.5 pounds. When we need to drive it fits right in the mini-van for the cycling at the other end
> of the drive. My opinion is big wheels would ruin a perfect package. My Pursuit is faster
> though. Happy cycling Steve "Speedy" Delaire
>
Steve, I'm thinking your Pursuit is about the fastest package on the road today. Only an F-40 comes
close. Congratulations

Freddy
 
Freddy Thanks so much for the kind words. Coming, unsolicited, from such an accomplished rider is a
huge pat on the back. Thank you. How is your new creation coming? Speedy

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> "S. Delaire \"Rotatorrecumbent\"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > Bill I think the Tiger is a wonderful bike. A nice wide gear range, a wonderful seat, a small
> > light weight package that handles well. Lightest version we have done was
> > 18.5 pounds. When we need to drive it fits right in the mini-van for the cycling at the other
> > end of the drive. My opinion is big wheels would ruin a perfect package. My Pursuit is faster
> > though. Happy cycling Steve "Speedy" Delaire
> >
> Steve, I'm thinking your Pursuit is about the fastest package on the road today. Only an F-40
> comes close. Congratulations
>
> Freddy

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"S. Delaire \"Rotatorrecumbent\"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Freddy Thanks so much for the kind words. Coming, unsolicited, from such an accomplished rider is
> a huge pat on the back. Thank you. How is your new creation coming? Speedy
>

It's up and running and it's looking good. If I wasn't so completly computer illiterate (there
I said it) I'd post a pic. Maybe I'll get someone else to post one. Anyway so far so good,
thanks Freddy
 
I received the Spring 2003 issue of the ERRC magazine today and there is a photo in it of Freddy
holding the prototype of the new Calfee Stelleto LWB carbon fibre recumbent sans front wheel and
steering linkage. Also in the same issue is a very interesting and well written autobiography of the
history of Steve Delaire's 20 years of involvement with the world of recumbents titled "My Life As A
Recumbente Junkie". I knew Steve had an automotive background but never new the Rotator name started
as a nickname given to him when he worked at a racing shop servicing rotary engine Mazdas.

Zach Kaplan

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> "S. Delaire \"Rotatorrecumbent\"" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:<[email protected]>...
> > Freddy Thanks so much for the kind words. Coming, unsolicited, from such an accomplished rider
> > is a huge pat on the back. Thank you. How is your new creation coming? Speedy
> >
>
> It's up and running and it's looking good. If I wasn't so completly computer illiterate (there
> I said it) I'd post a pic. Maybe I'll get someone else to post one. Anyway so far so good,
> thanks Freddy
 
"Zach Kaplan Cycles" skrev...
> I received the Spring 2003 issue of the ERRC magazine today and there is a photo in it of Freddy
> holding the prototype of the new Calfee Stelleto LWB carbon fibre recumbent sans front wheel and
> steering linkage.

Anyone got a scanner or can you or the proud builder describe it?

Kamil will probably have one ready too at some point. I saw the steel frame prototype when I
visited. Seatheight 20 cm AFAIR and it will probably look a bit like this:
http://poziome.republika.pl/obrazki/rowerki/kamil_kasia.jpg (but lower of course.)

But I'm quite happy with my TE-clone (and quite broke ;-) )

Mikael
 
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