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Tom Kunich said:

These are also the same people that authoritatively told us that the Alaskan Pipeline would
destroy the carraboo habatat for good. Latest studies are that the warming area around the
pipeline is responsible for a substantial increases in the carraboo population. The

Is this Princess Caraboo (us.imdb.comTitleOpen ↗), or are you referring to the native
caribou? STF

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Considering that I, or my wife could be recalled I say it's about his sorry ass gasing the Kurds,
invading Kuwait, threatening to kill every jew he can get his hands on etc... Is he the only one?
No. Are we racist? Hell yeah. We have ignored much more brutal wars in Africa. Kosovo was a Clinton
publicity stunt. We should have finished Sadam the first time, and were well on the way to doing it
when CBS showed us finishing off a Republican Guard armored column. This caused all the whiny
liberal cotton candy types to cry out and Bush (loser Sr.) called off the world. There was nothing
between our Marines, the FFL and Baghdad. It would've been over, thousands of Kurdish kids would be
alive today, but they don't count; At least to liberals. I had a hopeless discussion today with our
local anti-war protestors. I asked them what they planned to do do help the Kurds, and the Shiites
in Iraq if there was no war. Guess what they had no answers, and didn't care. The dead only count
if they fit your political agenda! Bill C.

You're right, Bill. It's only about oil to those who have an environmental, rather than
human, agenda.

I really get a kick out of all these cranks that seem to think the gas they put in their little rice
burners comes from someplace different from the gas that fuels SUVs. (Oh, I'm just a little bit
pregnant ... you're more pregnant than
me.)

I own an SUV. Last year I put three times the mileage on my bike than I did on the SUV. I'll bet I
used way fewer gallons of gas than most of these whiners who are complaining about SUVs.

What's really up their skirts is that they still think Bush "stole" the election.

Bob C.

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varuna-<< 500,000 innocent children were killed in Iraq last time.

Absolute [censored]-

<< A total of 1.5 million Iraqis were killed.

again-

Right. The best estimate I've seen is that for the entire year 1991, the number of Iraqis who died
either from direct or indirect war-related causes (including post-war violence during 1991) was
around 200,000 (about 100,000 men, 25,000 women, and 75,000 children). That estimate included
something like 3500 civilians of all ages dying from combat-related causes in January, February, and
March 1991.

Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

<< When are people going to brighten up and stop listening to fools? >><BR><BR>

When the price of gas goes to about $4 per gallon...and the fools stop making and buying vehicles
that get 10 mpg...

When gas costs $4 per gallon people will stop buying vehicles that get 10 mpg. When gas is cheap,
they won't. It is pretty much that simple.

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varuna-<< 500,000 innocent children were killed in Iraq last time.

Absolute [censored]-

Actually not. Those figures include the effects of the damage to infrastructure as well as the
effects of sanctions.

Imagine what would happen to our country if 88, 500 tons of explosives were delivered as well as
napalm, radioactive DU rounds, cluster bombs, 1000 pound bombs. Of course we're talking about a
"clean war", so the US government reports, corporate media, and even the people themselves can
downplay and justify mass murder.

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<< A total of 1.5 million Iraqis were killed.

again-

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Qui si parla Campagnolo said:

<< When are people going to brighten up and stop listening to fools?
<BR><BR>

When the price of gas goes to about $4 per gallon...and the fools stop

making

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and buying vehicles that get 10 mpg...

When gas costs $4 per gallon people will stop buying vehicles that get 10 mpg. When gas is cheap,
they won't. It is pretty much that simple.

It might help if automakers didn't plaster prime time television with sexy ads to the tune of 10
minutes for every 30.

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varuna-<< 500,000 innocent children were killed in Iraq last time.

Absolute [censored]-

Actually not. Those figures include the effects of the damage to infrastructure as well as the
effects of sanctions.

You guys are full of [censored]!! Sanctions my ASS!! You do not give a [censored] that saddam is spending
billions building hundreds of ³presidential palaces² Just like N Korea is using a lot of their
resources feeding their ³no war to fight² army...............

Liberal horseshit

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"clean war", so the US government reports, corporate media, and even the people themselves can
downplay and justify mass murder.

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<< A total of 1.5 million Iraqis were killed.

again-

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It might help if automakers didn't plaster prime time television with sexy ads to the tune of 10
minutes for every 30.

Two SUV links....

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From: "one of the six billion" [email hidden]

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Actually not. Those figures include the effects of the damage to infrastructure as well as the
effects of sanctions.

If hussein had actually put the aid for oil into something other than his military how many kids
would've lived? He has channeled almost all of the outside money and food to his

military.

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How is this our fault? BillC.

No one's disputing the fact that the dude is an idiot. However the effects of our bombing have been
as evil as anything he could dream up.

The radiation from those depleated uranium covered warheads lives on today. A linear viewed "x"
people were killed by a direct hit doesn't matter in reality when the 300 tons of radioactive poison
go on killing today (on both sides). Even our own casualties are magnitudes greater than our
propaganda machine releases. That's not even getting into sanctions. The logic of sanctions, "we're
not going to allow your kids any goods or services (that we normally would) until you stop beating
them". The US agenda has nothing to do about democracy or human rights.

This is what we've done to our own people:
couplescompany.comCostofWar.htmOpen ↗

Here's a little on the DU warheads: chugoku-np.co.jpindex e.htmlOpen ↗ The US fired
an estimated 944,000 rounds of Depleted Uranium (DU) ammunition in Iraq and Kuwait. DU is not only
radioactive. It is a toxic heavy metal which, when penetrating armour plates of tanks, becomes an
aerosol that disperses with the wind. By some estimates, more than 300 tons blanket the area
surrounding Basra in southern Iraq.

According to the British Guardian newspaper, the Basra maternity and pediatric hospital reported an
increase in cancer cases from 80 in 1990 to 380 in 1997. More than half the Iraqi childhood
leukaemia cases occur in the region, which has less then 20 percent of the country's population.

Overall cancer rates are 4.6 times higher in the southern region, and wives of Iraqi Gulf War
veterans are three times more likely to suffer miscarriages than the average across Iraq.

A lack of resources resulting from the UN-US trade embargo on Iraq has prevented the completion of
proper scientific studies to establish the causal link between DU, birth defects and cancer, but the
circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.

One intern at the Basra teaching hospital, Dr Zenad Mohammed, who works in the maternity department,
noted the number of defects over a three-month period beginning in August 1998. Out of approximately
2,000 births, she recorded 10 babies born with no heads, eight with abnormally large heads and six
with deformed limbs.

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Out of approximately 2,000 births, she recorded 10 babies born with no heads, eight with abnormally
large heads

Great, more smartass posters on Usenet.

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top half of caskets." -Tommy Bowen

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One question. Who invaded Kuwait? Bill C.

The Middle East version of George Bush.

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From: "one of the six billion" [email hidden]

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One question. Who invaded Kuwait?

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Bill C.

The Middle East version of George Bush.

Just watched a bunch of stuff last night on Discovery again about

Hussein. One

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of the people on the show was one of his former advisers who defected. He

was

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talking about Husseins philosophy and said "While he was in prison for

two

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years he studied [censored], Stalin, and Mao and then chose the most

effective

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methods of each." To make the statement you just did is ignorant, assanine, and moronic. Get some
more facts from someone other than those who think like you.

Bill C.

Sorry to have struck such a nerve with a somewhat tounge in cheek response. However, the statement
has a huge component of truth whether you want to believe it or not. Discovery channel (and the
whole of corporate media) is conveniently leaving out the expose on Bush. Every single day there are
new unbelievable assaults on civil liberties, human rights and the environment perpetuated by Bush
and the corporate regime he considers more important than individuals, the environment or the future
of either. He will go down as one of the most destructive individuals in the history of the world.
It's all done with so much propaganda and the subsequent support of the masses it is absolutely
sick. Ignorant, asinine, and moronic is what is going on in our very own country.

Great Article!

I despise SUV's myself, but how many cyclist do you see pulling into the parking lot driving them.
LOTS! We are part of the problem too. Besides, from the cyclist point of view, a car going 45mph
hurts just as much.

Kiem Madvanen said:

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Zub

"alternet.org"? Why don't they just call it "left wing commy.org"

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Great Article!

I despise SUV's myself, but how many cyclist do you see pulling into the parking lot driving them.
LOTS! We are part of the problem too. Besides, from the cyclist point of view, a car going 45mph
hurts just as much.

Kiem Madvanen said:

alternet.orgstory.htmlOpen ↗

Zub

Mike said:

"alternet.org"? Why don't they just call it "left wing commy.org"

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Great Article!

I despise SUV's myself, but how many cyclist do you see pulling into the parking lot driving
them. LOTS! We are part of the problem too. Besides, from the cyclist point of view, a car going
45mph hurts just as much.

I love SUV's, gonna get a couple more, I'm glad that you don't like them!

Sparhawk

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One question. Who invaded Kuwait? Bill C.

Saddam Hussein gave the order.

The problem is that the war and the aftermath didn't punish him. Average Iraqi people are the ones
suffering. The ones with cancer from depleted uranium, the ones with birth defects.

Our soldiers suffer too. Someday the military will own up to the link between depleted uranium and
Gulf War Syndrome.

The average Iraqi and the American soldier with Gulf War Syndrome - they are both pawns in a
personal battle of spite between the Bush clan and Saddam Hussein.