Stopped for speeding?



On Apr 13, 11:53 am, "Alan Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote:
> "????" <????@????> wrote in message
> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> > <[email protected]> wrote:


> > My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years
> > back. Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

>
> You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying
> I had averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!


There's a major difference between achieving a high speed over a short
distance and a long one. The feat you claimed is beyond the powers of
professional cyclist, yet you apparently did it on a heavily laden
touring bike without particulary trying. Anyone can get to 47 mph down
a steep hill. All it takes is a lack of imagination.

FWIW I don't believe you are a liar. I'm sure you honestly believe you
did what you claim. I just don't accept it's within the realms of the
possible.

--
Dave...
 
On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:53:19 GMT, "Alan Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>"????" <????@????> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
>>>cyclists ever set off a GATSO?

>>
>> My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
>> Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

>
>You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
>averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!


Alan, may I suggest something?

Get yourself a bike - any bike.

Set it up with an accurately calibrated computer.

Take a mile long stretch of road - any mile long stretch of road.

Cycle it back and forth in each direction in one go as fast as you possibly can.

Now, look at the speed you achieved and ask yourself, seriously, could you have
managed to keep up anything like that speed for 42 times the distance on a
loaded bike.

I'm sure that the readings you got and the measurements you took did indicate
the speed and distance you claim, but there really *has* to be an error
somewhere.
 
In article <[email protected]>, Alan Holmes wrote:
>
>"????" <????@????> wrote in message
>>
>> My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
>> Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

>
>You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
>averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!


It was gently suggested that you might be mistaken, rather than anyone
assuming you were deliberately deceitful, at least in the threads I've
seen. You have repeated shown that your observation skills and/or memory
are problematic at times.

If ??? claimed his brother had averaged 29.5 over 84 hilly miles on
a loaded three speed tourer, he'd be wrong too. If you claimed to have
reached 47mph at one time on an unspecified bike and slope, you would
probably be beleived if you had a reasonable posting history.
 
On 13/04/2007 11:53, Alan Holmes said,

> You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
> averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!


That's because your name isn't in the list of world speed/distance
record holders :)

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/
 
In article <[email protected]>, Alan Holmes
[email protected] says...
>
> "????" <????@????> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
> >>cyclists ever set off a GATSO?

> >
> > My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
> > Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

>
> You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
> averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!
>

A liar, or just mistaken/deluded?
 
Rob Morley wrote on 13/04/2007 15:12 +0100:

>> You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
>> averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!
>>

> A liar, or just mistaken/deluded?


To say he had was a lie. To say he believed he had would not be ;-)

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell
 
"Paul Boyd" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On 13/04/2007 11:53, Alan Holmes said,
>
>> You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
>> averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

>
> That's because your name isn't in the list of world speed/distance record
> holders :)


I'm not interested in 'records', I just cycled for pleasure and
neccessity!:)-)
 
"Ziggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:53:19 GMT, "Alan Holmes" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"????" <????@????> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
>>>>cyclists ever set off a GATSO?
>>>
>>> My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
>>> Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

>>
>>You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
>>averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

>
> Alan, may I suggest something?
>
> Get yourself a bike - any bike.


I still have a bike!

> Set it up with an accurately calibrated computer.


Why would a computer be any more accurate than the old style trip counters?

Which I still use!

> Take a mile long stretch of road - any mile long stretch of road.
>
> Cycle it back and forth in each direction in one go as fast as you
> possibly can.


Alas, old age has finally caught up with me, and the chances of traveling
fast on a push bike is so remote I wouldn't even bother to try it, to give
you a clue, in a couple of months my pension will rise by an incredible 25
pence a week!

How I will cope with that much extra money I just do not know!

> Now, look at the speed you achieved and ask yourself, seriously, could you
> have
> managed to keep up anything like that speed for 42 times the distance on a
> loaded bike.


All I had, was a record of the distnce travelled, which I'm sure someone
could check, from South Ealing to Stow-on-the-Wold, my trip counter read it
as 84 miles, my mother was very precise about time so the clocks were always
kept right, I left home at 2.00 pm, expecting to get there at about 7.30 pm,
and I was very suprised to find, when I arrived, that the hostel was not yet
open, I asked a young lady sitting outside why it was not opne and she said
it was 4.50 pm. I had no watch so I was unable to confirm or deny this, but
I'm sure the manager of the hostel would be well aware of the time he should
open the doors!

> I'm sure that the readings you got and the measurements you took did
> indicate
> the speed and distance you claim, but there really *has* to be an error
> somewhere.


Possibly it was because in those days, about 55 or so years ago, the only
choice for travelling was either public transport, walking or cycling, very
few people then had any other form of transport, nowadays everyone has a
car!

Thus most of us were VERY fit, although nothing was made of that at the
time, so cycling long distances was fairly normal, I cycled about 30 miles a
day to go to work, then almost every evening the same distance to go folk
dancing, weekends with the group, would, if it was a one day weekend about
60 miles, if it was a hosteling weekend about 130, I calculated that I have,
over the years, travelled about 350,000 miles, I could be a little bit out
there!

My wages at the time was £3 perweek, so I could not stay in B&Bs or anywhere
else other then youth hostels, which got you a bed for a shilling a night, I
could not, as many thousands of others, afford to have a hostel breakfast so
I always went self cooking, this enabled me to visit parts of the country I
could not otherwise have seen, on one occassion, I travelled to, and around,
scotland, via Lancaster, and spent some time there in various hostels,
returning down the east coast, this would have been a round trip of about
900 miles give or take a few!

This would have been a normal holiday trip.

As I have already said, because of the way of life then, we were all fit and
healthy, which would have enabled people to cycle far greater distances than
today, also the roads were much quieter and safer, very little motorised
transport and thus the roads were in better condition.

One other thing which did help, was the weight of the bikes, the inertia
gained from the weight enabled you to keep the thing going with only a small
effort, just a little bit of physics!

And I shall always remember the motorist who told me I was travelling at 30
mph, when I was on my way home from work, not intentionaly trying to go
fast, just cycling normally, I couldn't understand why he stopped to tell me
that.

I do, from time to time, whilst in my car, pace the odd cyclist and it is
surprising how fast some are travelling, even youngsters about 14 can move
at about 25 mph.

Finally I don't give a damn whether any of the cycnics here believe me or
not, these are all facts.

Alan
 
"dkahn400" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> On Apr 13, 11:53 am, "Alan Holmes" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> "????" <????@????> wrote in message
>> > On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>> > <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>> > My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years
>> > back. Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

>>
>> You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying
>> I had averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

>
> There's a major difference between achieving a high speed over a short
> distance and a long one. The feat you claimed is beyond the powers of
> professional cyclist, yet you apparently did it on a heavily laden
> touring bike without particulary trying. Anyone can get to 47 mph down
> a steep hill. All it takes is a lack of imagination.


Professional cyclists use light weight bikes wich do not perform as well as
heavier bikes.

> FWIW I don't believe you are a liar. I'm sure you honestly believe you
> did what you claim. I just don't accept it's within the realms of the
> possible.


Your choice!

Alan
 
Alan Holmes wrote on 14/04/2007 13:06 +0100:

>
> All I had, was a record of the distnce travelled, which I'm sure someone
> could check, from South Ealing to Stow-on-the-Wold, my trip counter read it
> as 84 miles, my mother was very precise about time so the clocks were always
> kept right, I left home at 2.00 pm, expecting to get there at about 7.30 pm,
> and I was very suprised to find, when I arrived, that the hostel was not yet
> open, I asked a young lady sitting outside why it was not opne and she said
> it was 4.50 pm. I had no watch so I was unable to confirm or deny this, but
> I'm sure the manager of the hostel would be well aware of the time he should
> open the doors!


Google Maps has it as just over 80 miles and 1hr 40mins by modern car
including stretches of motorway. You are claiming to have taken just
one hour longer.

>
> Possibly it was because in those days, about 55 or so years ago, the only
> choice for travelling was either public transport, walking or cycling, very
> few people then had any other form of transport, nowadays everyone has a
> car!
>
> Thus most of us were VERY fit, although nothing was made of that at the
> time, so cycling long distances was fairly normal,


But you are claiming to have ridden for almost three hours on a normal
bike faster than the hour record for the period. Do you really really
think you were able to casually cycle at a faster speed than the record
holder's who took no breaks, had no stops or slows for junctions etc?
Come on Alan!

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell
 
> But you are claiming to have ridden for almost three hours on a normal
> bike faster than the hour record for the period. Do you really really
> think you were able to casually cycle at a faster speed than the record
> holder's who took no breaks, had no stops or slows for junctions etc?
> Come on Alan!


It's worth pointing out that the holder of the hour record would have been
flat out at 100% effort. Presumably Alan didn't even break a sweat. The
man is a true legend.

--
This post contains a trace of sarcasm.
 
Mark Thompson wrote on 14/04/2007 19:04 +0100:
>> But you are claiming to have ridden for almost three hours on a normal
>> bike faster than the hour record for the period. Do you really really
>> think you were able to casually cycle at a faster speed than the record
>> holder's who took no breaks, had no stops or slows for junctions etc?
>> Come on Alan!

>
> It's worth pointing out that the holder of the hour record would have been
> flat out at 100% effort. Presumably Alan didn't even break a sweat. The
> man is a true legend.
>


Or perhaps he omitted to tell us about the 500cc engine mounted in the
main triangle of his bicycle frame ;-)

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell
 
Chris Eilbeck wrote:
> Al C-F <[email protected]> writes:
>
>> Chris Eilbeck wrote:
>>
>>> There have been occasions where the police have tried to do
>>> people for twice the speed they were actually doing because of the
>>> radar return from the top of an advancing wheel being stronger than
>>> that from the main bike body and rider.

>> Really? Would that be in the Royal Parks, or a misguided plod?

>
> Widely reported in the motorcycling press in the mid 90s.
>
>> I would doubt very much that you could get a bigger return from a
>> tyre than from a whole MOTORbike.

>
> In the early days of widespread speed guns use, they could read the
> peak Doppler rather than the Doppler of the strongest return in pure
> power terms. There was a Doppler vs signal strength curve built in to
> the device to get round background radar clutter e.g. static
> reflectors and large but slow moving targets. In some cases it read
> wrong and the police tried to prosecute on the basis of this.
>
> As I understand it, the strongest return in RCS terms comes from the
> headlight reflector.


Not sure why that should be. I would have expected the corners and
cavities around the steering mechanism to be stronger.
 
in message <[email protected]>, Alan Holmes
('[email protected]') wrote:

>
> "????" <????@????> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
>>>cyclists ever set off a GATSO?

>>
>> My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
>> Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

>
> You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
> averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!


That's because you're a liar. No human being can do that. Most people can
hit 47mph for a few hundred yards given a steep enough hill.

--
[email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
 
in message <[email protected]>, Alan Holmes
('[email protected]') wrote:

>
> "Ziggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:53:19 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"????" <????@????> wrote in message
>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
>>>>>cyclists ever set off a GATSO?
>>>>
>>>> My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
>>>> Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.
>>>
>>>You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
>>>averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

>>
>> Alan, may I suggest something?
>>
>> Get yourself a bike - any bike.

>
> I still have a bike!
>
>> Set it up with an accurately calibrated computer.

>
> Why would a computer be any more accurate than the old style trip
> counters?
>
> Which I still use!


Each is reasonably accurate, if correctly calibrated. Electronic ones can,
of course, be calibrated accurately for differing tyre sizes, whereas
mechanical ones cannot.

--
[email protected] (Simon Brooke) http://www.jasmine.org.uk/~simon/
;; "If I were a Microsoft Public Relations person, I would probably
;; be sobbing on a desk right now" -- Rob Miller, editor, /.
 
On Sun, 15 Apr 2007 09:43:28 +0100, Simon Brooke <[email protected]> wrote:

>in message <[email protected]>, Alan Holmes
>('[email protected]') wrote:
>
>>
>> "????" <????@????> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
>>>>cyclists ever set off a GATSO?
>>>
>>> My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
>>> Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

>>
>> You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
>> averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

>
>That's because you're a liar.


Mistaken and stubbon, I think.

How someone can continue to believe they did something that is well in excess of
the best ever achieved by anyone is a bit of a mystery.

It reminds me of how, many years ago, some of the people I worked with would
have tales about how they got x+20 mph out of their car on the flat when the
manufacturer's stated top speed was x mph.

They fondly believed that they had been lucky and just got a particularly good
model (when in all probability they had just got one with a particularly bad
speedo).

The would steadfastly ignore all appeals to logic, reason and physics.

(It has to be said that it was usually salesmen who indulged in this particular
form of self delusion - those of a more scientific bent were not susceptible).
 
"Alan Braggins" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> In article <[email protected]>, Alan Holmes wrote:
>>
>>"????" <????@????> wrote in message
>>>
>>> My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
>>> Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.

>>
>>You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
>>averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!

>
> It was gently suggested that you might be mistaken, rather than anyone
> assuming you were deliberately deceitful, at least in the threads I've
> seen. You have repeated shown that your observation skills and/or memory
> are problematic at times.


And, whether you like it or not, when you grow up you will find that at
times you will forget things!
>
> If ??? claimed his brother had averaged 29.5 over 84 hilly miles on
> a loaded three speed tourer, he'd be wrong too. If you claimed to have
> reached 47mph at one time on an unspecified bike and slope, you would
> probably be beleived if you had a reasonable posting history.


I wonder what constitutes a 'reasonable posting history'?

Alan
 
"Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Alan Holmes wrote on 14/04/2007 13:06 +0100:
>
>>
>> All I had, was a record of the distnce travelled, which I'm sure someone
>> could check, from South Ealing to Stow-on-the-Wold, my trip counter read
>> it as 84 miles, my mother was very precise about time so the clocks were
>> always kept right, I left home at 2.00 pm, expecting to get there at
>> about 7.30 pm, and I was very suprised to find, when I arrived, that the
>> hostel was not yet open, I asked a young lady sitting outside why it was
>> not opne and she said it was 4.50 pm. I had no watch so I was unable to
>> confirm or deny this, but I'm sure the manager of the hostel would be
>> well aware of the time he should open the doors!

>
> Google Maps has it as just over 80 miles and 1hr 40mins by modern car
> including stretches of motorway. You are claiming to have taken just one
> hour longer.
>
>>
>> Possibly it was because in those days, about 55 or so years ago, the only
>> choice for travelling was either public transport, walking or cycling,
>> very few people then had any other form of transport, nowadays everyone
>> has a car!
>>
>> Thus most of us were VERY fit, although nothing was made of that at the
>> time, so cycling long distances was fairly normal,

>
> But you are claiming to have ridden for almost three hours on a normal
> bike faster than the hour record for the period. Do you really really
> think you were able to casually cycle at a faster speed than the record
> holder's who took no breaks, had no stops or slows for junctions etc? Come
> on Alan!


Would you care to read the last paragraph of the article you are referring
to?

Alan


>
> --
> Tony
>
> "The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
> is no good evidence either way."
> - Bertrand Russell
 
"Simon Brooke" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> in message <[email protected]>, Alan Holmes
> ('[email protected]') wrote:
>
>>
>> "Ziggy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]...
>>> On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 10:53:19 GMT, "Alan Holmes"
>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"????" <????@????> wrote in message
>>>>news:[email protected]...
>>>>> On Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:33:06 +0000 (UTC), Dylan Smith
>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Have the police ever pulled a cyclist over in a radar trap? Have
>>>>>>cyclists ever set off a GATSO?
>>>>>
>>>>> My bro got spotted by a woodentop with a hairdryer a few years back.
>>>>> Apparenrtly doing 47 in a 30.
>>>>
>>>>You cannot say that in this group, I was called a liar for saying I had
>>>>averaged 29.5 over 84 miles!
>>>
>>> Alan, may I suggest something?
>>>
>>> Get yourself a bike - any bike.

>>
>> I still have a bike!
>>
>>> Set it up with an accurately calibrated computer.

>>
>> Why would a computer be any more accurate than the old style trip
>> counters?
>>
>> Which I still use!

>
> Each is reasonably accurate, if correctly calibrated. Electronic ones can,
> of course, be calibrated accurately for differing tyre sizes, whereas
> mechanical ones cannot.


At the time I was talking about there were no different tyre sizes!

They were sold for specific wheel sizes.

Alan


>
> --
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> ;; "If I were a Microsoft Public Relations person, I would probably
> ;; be sobbing on a desk right now" -- Rob Miller, editor, /.
>
 
Alan Holmes wrote on 15/04/2007 11:07 +0100:
> "Tony Raven" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>>> Thus most of us were VERY fit, although nothing was made of that at the
>>> time, so cycling long distances was fairly normal,

>> But you are claiming to have ridden for almost three hours on a normal
>> bike faster than the hour record for the period. Do you really really
>> think you were able to casually cycle at a faster speed than the record
>> holder's who took no breaks, had no stops or slows for junctions etc? Come
>> on Alan!

>
> Would you care to read the last paragraph of the article you are referring
> to?
>


You may think us cynics and what you have claimed are facts but as far
as the rest of us are concerned whether you think you are right or not
we know you haven't run a three minute mile. And if you had a modicum
of realism you would realise you hadn't either and stop this silly charade.

--
Tony

"The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there
is no good evidence either way."
- Bertrand Russell