Have you ever been fined or stopped for pavement cycling?

[Ekul Namsob]

<[email protected]> wrote:

> bornfree wrote:
> > Do you have a story relating to cycling on the pavement, in
> > particular, getting caught?
>
> A sure way to avoid being caught cycling on the pavement, I have found,
> is to use the carriageway instead. N.B. I've found similar techniques
> also work for avoiding being caught breaking the speed limit while
> driving and avoiding being caught during necrophilia.

You commit necrophilia on the carriageway? Crikey, you're brave /
twisted / a pervert.

Cheers,
Luke


--
Sorry, someone had to.

 

[Tom Crispin]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:11:59 -0000, "wafflycat"
<w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote:

>
>
>Cycling on the pavement is for small children: not for adults who should
>know better.

The letter of the law doesn't recognise any difference.

The spirit of the law only makes a difference between those cycling
out of fear of the road with respect for other pavement users, and
those just using the pavement to save time.

 

[David Damerell]

Quoting Ekul Namsob <[email protected]>:
>archierob <[email protected]> wrote:
>>(b) think of your wife and family and ride on the pavement?
>c) I call the cops.

d) wonder when the hell I got married and whether I should sue the doctor
who sterilised me?
--
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[naked_draughtsman]

On Feb 5, 1:31 pm, bornfree <[email protected]> wrote:
> Do you have a story relating to cycling on the pavement, in
> particular, getting caught?

I think I've been told off for riding in a pedestrianised area when I
was about 12 (one of those 'pedestrianised' areas).

In Wrexham I get funny looks and comments because I *don't* ride on
the pavement - thankfully not from the police!

When I was living in Loughborough my girlfriend at the time was riding
on the pavement because she didn't want to follow me on the road
around the one way system (understandable for a first time cyclist -
you needed to turn left out of our road, get into the right hand lane,
merge from the right then in about 10m go off to the left - but it was
Sunday morning with nobody around, she cycled a fair bit and I was
riding with her anyway). As she rode down against the one way system
a police car was waiting at the traffic lights and glared/gestured at
her enough that she stopped and walked the bike instead!

Also in Loughborough when PCSOs were first introduced they were
frequently stopping people cycling the the pedestrianised Market
Place. Unfortunately they didn't do anything about cars and vans
driving through there.
It all seemed to stop though when someone wrote in to the local paper
to complain along the lines of "haven't the police got anything better
to do?". I thought it was a reasonable use of their time.

peter

 

[Brian Robertson]

bornfree wrote:
> I was approached the other day by an community support officer after I
> had just gotten off my bike from cycling a short stretch on the
> pavement. She told me if she had caught me I would have been fined. I
> certainly will be more careful from now on.
>
> Do you have a story relating to cycling on the pavement, in
> particular, getting caught?

I have one. Next time I see a police officer or a pretend police officer
cycling on the pavement, I shall be photographing them and sending the
evidence to our chief constable. Shouldn't be long. Two faced gits! It's
the same with speeding in cars. Quick enough to book other motorists,
but nobody books THEM when they are doing 45 in a 30 without the blues
and twos going.

Brian.

 

[Brian Robertson]

archierob wrote:
> Its cold, its dark, you are coming home from work on your bike and
> have to ride across a long 3 mile common that is flat land, it is a
> two lane highway that is used and abused by boy racers showing off and
> racing their cars who are a danger to themselves and others. Alongside
> the road is a pavement with high guttering that is your safest option
> of staying alive.
>
> Do you:
>
> (a) have total respect for the law and ride on the road?
>
> (b) think of your wife and family and ride on the pavement?
>
> I know what I would do.
>
>

Haven't you been reading the other thread further up? What you need is
training! Once you have some training, I think you are supposed to
bounce off bonnets or something. Or perhaps a cycling proficiency badge
gives you some superhuman powers that lesser trained mortals haven't got.

Give me the pavement option ANYTIME!

Brian.

 

[Jim Harvest]

x-no-archive:bornfree wrote:
> I was approached the other day by an community support officer after I
> had just gotten off my bike from cycling a short stretch on the
> pavement. She told me if she had caught me I would have been fined. I
> certainly will be more careful from now on.
>
> Do you have a story relating to cycling on the pavement, in
> particular, getting caught?

No, but the only time I have seen cycling police officers (last year)
they were riding on a pavement in a quiet residential area. I wasn't
impressed.

 

[bornfree]

On 5 Feb, 17:48, Tom Crispin <[email protected]>
wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:11:59 -0000, "wafflycat"
>
> <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote:
>
> >Cycling on the pavement is for small children: not for adults who should
> >know better.
>
> The letter of the law doesn't recognise any difference.
>

Yes it does. You have to be over 16 to be fined.

 

[Jim Harvest]

x-no-archive:archierob wrote:
> Its cold, its dark, you are coming home from work on your bike and
> have to ride across a long 3 mile common that is flat land, it is a
> two lane highway that is used and abused by boy racers showing off and
> racing their cars who are a danger to themselves and others. Alongside
> the road is a pavement with high guttering that is your safest option
> of staying alive.
>
> Do you:
>
> (a) have total respect for the law and ride on the road?
>
> (b) think of your wife and family and ride on the pavement?
>
> I know what I would do.
>
>

(c) report the boy racers to the police. Pavements are for peds, roads
are for bicycles.

 

[bornfree]

On 5 Feb, 19:12, Brian Robertson <brian@[nospam].com> wrote:
> archierob wrote:
> > Its cold, its dark, you are coming home from work on your bike and
> > have to ride across a long 3 mile common that is flat land, it is a
> > two lane highway that is used and abused by boy racers showing off and
> > racing their cars who are a danger to themselves and others. Alongside
> > the road is a pavement with high guttering that is your safest option
> > of staying alive.
>
> > Do you:
>
> > (a) have total respect for the law and ride on the road?
>
> > (b) think of your wife and family and ride on the pavement?
>
> > I know what I would do.
>
> Haven't you been reading the other thread further up? What you need is
> training! Once you have some training, I think you are supposed to
> bounce off bonnets or something. Or perhaps a cycling proficiency badge
> gives you some superhuman powers that lesser trained mortals haven't got.

Does a driving licence count or do I still need the badge?

 

[Jim Harvest]

x-no-archive:Marz wrote:
Falmouth main > street is one way, great for going to work, but a
pain for heading
> home and so to avoid a 3 mile detour



Why don't cyclists complain more about one way streets? Surely they are
an unacceptable inconvenience for us? Does anyone know if a legal
challenge could be made on the grounds of the right of way restriction?

 

[Noel]

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 15:19:13 +0000, archierob wrote:

> (b) think of your wife and family and ride on the pavement?
>
> I know what I would do.

Totally agree. To get to the station I have to ride up a juggernaut-
filled stretch of the A22 where the single lane slowly narrows about 100m
out from a busy roundabout. I was approaching the roundabout one morning
and a scary 18 wheeler monster squeezed past. Later on the platform a
guy who had been walking along the pavement commented on how close the
wheels had been. Much as I would like to think I was cycling assertively
and being accounted for, the driver was probably more interested in
traffic on the roundabout and his stopping distance. I always use the
pavement on that stretch now and placate my guilty conscience with
thoughts of the family waiting at home.

Cheers
Noel

 

[naked_draughtsman]

On Feb 5, 8:57 pm, Jim Harvest <[email protected]> wrote:
> x-no-archive:Marz wrote:
>
> Falmouth main > street is one way, great for going to work, but a
> pain for heading
>
> > home and so to avoid a 3 mile detour
>
> Why don't cyclists complain more about one way streets? Surely they are
> an unacceptable inconvenience for us? Does anyone know if a legal
> challenge could be made on the grounds of the right of way restriction?

It might be interesting.
I'm not sure there is a 'right' to take a vehicle down a road in the
same way as there is a right to walk along a public footpath or cycle
on a public bridleway. The legal notices that go in the newspaper
when roads are stopped up or made one way are worded along the lines
of "to make it an offence for anyone to cause a vehicle to proceed
along" which I guess supersedes any previous right of access.

There's certainly a lot of roads around which are 'permissive' (I
think that's the term) and are closed off by the owner for 1 day a
year to keep it this way. I don't think there's many in town centres
though.

Having said that, closing or restricting a road so that it causes a
ridiculous detour would definitely be a good reason to ask the council
to do something to improve the situation although I'm not personally a
fan of contraflow cycling due to the conflict it generates with those
who don't understand it.

peter

 

[Ekul Namsob]

bornfree <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 5 Feb, 17:48, Tom Crispin <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:11:59 -0000, "wafflycat"
> >
> > <w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Cycling on the pavement is for small children: not for adults who should
> > >know better.
> >
> > The letter of the law doesn't recognise any difference.
> >
>
> Yes it does. You have to be over 16 to be fined.

As I understand the law, parents can still be held responsible for the
actions of their children.

Cheers,
Luke


--
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exile in Lancashire <http://www.shrimper.org.uk>

 

[Jim Harvest]

x-no-archive:naked_draughtsman wrote:

> Having said that, closing or restricting a road so that it causes a
> ridiculous detour would definitely be a good reason to ask the council
> to do something to improve the situation although I'm not personally a
> fan of contraflow cycling due to the conflict it generates with those
> who don't understand it.
>
>

Its probable that contraflow cycling would result in too many accidents.
I would have thought that there would be no need for many one way
systems if traffic flow was regulated effectively.

 

[Alan Braggins]

In article <[email protected]>, Tom Crispin wrote:
>On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 14:11:59 -0000, "wafflycat"
><w*a*ff£y£cat*@£btco*nn£ect.com> wrote:
>
>>Cycling on the pavement is for small children: not for adults who should
>>know better.
>
>The letter of the law doesn't recognise any difference.

The letter of the law in general does: "age of criminal responsibility".

 

[Tim Hall]

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 15:24:37 -0000, "Adrian Boliston"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"bornfree" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]...
>
>>I was approached the other day by an community support officer after I
>> had just gotten off my bike from cycling a short stretch on the
>> pavement. She told me if she had caught me I would have been fined. I
>> certainly will be more careful from now on.
>>
>> Do you have a story relating to cycling on the pavement, in
>> particular, getting caught?
>
>I had a close shave the other day when I used the pavement to get to the
>front of a long queue at roadworks. Normally I pass stationary queues like
>a motorbike would, but the road was way to narrow to permit this, so I
>carefully used the pavements (no peds in sight).
>
There really is no excuse for this. Traffic too heavy to proceed? Wait
for it to clear.


>Just as I reached the actual lights I noticed that a plod car was right at
>the front so I thought he might "book" me, but luckily the lights went green
>and with a bit of quick thinking I waved the plod car through so they would
>be well ahead of me by the end of the long stretch of roadworks. If I'd
>gone in front of plod (and held them up) they probably would have "had a
>word" about using the pavement!
>
Good.

--

Tim

I understand very little of what's being discussed
but for some reason it's fascinating.

(Jon Thompson, urs)

 

[Martin Dann]

In message <[email protected]>
bornfree <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was approached the other day by an community support officer after I
> had just gotten off my bike from cycling a short stretch on the
> pavement. She told me if she had caught me I would have been fined. I
> certainly will be more careful from now on.
>
> Do you have a story relating to cycling on the pavement, in
> particular, getting caught?

Years ago I and got of my bike, and was walking it up hill, when a WVM yelled
out of his window that I should be in the road, which was one way going in
the opposite direction.

Last year I was cycling in the road, and a pedestrian shouted at me for *not*
cycling on the footpath.

Martin.

 

[Paul Boyd]

Brian Robertson said the following on 05/02/2008 19:12:

> Haven't you been reading the other thread further up? What you need is
> training! Once you have some training, I think you are supposed to
> bounce off bonnets or something. Or perhaps a cycling proficiency badge
> gives you some superhuman powers that lesser trained mortals haven't got.

You just don't get it, do you? Do you actually have any idea why people
are trained in all sorts of things in life? It's so that they can do
whatever it is they're being trained for safely. Why should cycling be
any different?

> Give me the pavement option ANYTIME!

Then I hope you get prosecuted. Repeatedly.

--
Paul Boyd
http://www.paul-boyd.co.uk/

 

[David Hansen]

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:57:52 +0000 someone who may be Jim Harvest
<[email protected]> wrote this:-

>Why don't cyclists complain more about one way streets? Surely they are
>an unacceptable inconvenience for us? Does anyone know if a legal
>challenge could be made on the grounds of the right of way restriction?

The more switched on councils have had policies for the past decade
to avoid the excessive detours which new one way systems (often they
are large roundabouts with buildings and sometimes roads in the
middle) impose on cyclists, though they don't always comply with
their own policies. They are less keen to undo their past mistakes.




--
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