Staying Warm in the Cold

Michael Press said:

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(Tom Keats) said:

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Steve Sr. <[email hidden]> writes:

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That problem is with my chest and inside of my arms getting cold in
the front while my back sweats. I have tried different layering
schemes but none seem to work very well. The layers consist of a long
sleeve jersey, short sleeve jersey, and a thin fleece jacket if
temperatures are cold enough.

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A little sweat never hurt anybody.

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Put-on a a tightly-knit, thin, wool pullover (or two)
and be done with it.

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I get 'em from the thrift shops. I don't care if
anyone died in 'em[*]. Same as shoes.

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Just maintain warmth; that's all that counts.

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You can shower later, apres-ride. As for the sweaters,
wash 'em in a plastic bucket of Woolite[tm] or

Someone who knows advises against Woolite.
Theatrical costume shops use Woolite to
break down fabric.

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WOOLITE !!!! all of the clothing made for hiking camping is washable
in a drum washer - no agitator using dilute liquid dish soap - no Tide
nada. The socks are best laid out to dry flat after stretching when
still moist. The long underwear is washed by hand then laid out flat
to dry.
Jackets parkas hand wash.
Some wash sleeping bags in bathtubs but a drum works ok here.
wool socks and dish soap get along ok but lay out flat to dry.
i'm positive there's online advice for this maybe tomorrow.

datakoll said:

Michael Press said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
[email hidden] (Tom Keats) wrote:

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In article <[email hidden]>,
Steve Sr. <[email hidden]> writes:

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> That problem is with my chest and inside of my arms getting cold in
> the front while my back sweats. I have tried different layering
> schemes but none seem to work very well. The layers consist of a long
> sleeve jersey, short sleeve jersey, and a thin fleece jacket if
> temperatures are cold enough.

Quoted message said:

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A little sweat never hurt anybody.

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Put-on a a tightly-knit, thin, wool pullover (or two)
and be done with it.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

I get 'em from the thrift shops. I don't care if
anyone died in 'em[*]. Same as shoes.

Quoted message said:

Quoted message said:

Just maintain warmth; that's all that counts.

Quoted message said:

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You can shower later, apres-ride. As for the sweaters,
wash 'em in a plastic bucket of Woolite[tm] or

Quoted message said:

Someone who knows advises against Woolite.
Theatrical costume shops use Woolite to
break down fabric.

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Michael Press- Hide quoted text -

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WOOLITE !!!! all of the clothing made for hiking camping is washable
in a drum washer - no agitator using dilute liquid dish soap - no Tide
nada. The socks are best laid out to dry flat after stretching when
still moist. The long underwear is washed by hand then laid out flat
to dry.
Jackets parkas hand wash.
Some wash sleeping bags in bathtubs but a drum works ok here.
wool socks and dish soap get along ok but lay out flat to dry.
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a full load of polyester and poly/cotton in a large drum washer takes
3 full squirts of Palmolive into a Gatorade bike cage bottle.
all nylon is washed by hand and hair dried

http://www.icebike.org/ and http://www.bikewinter.org/ have some great
tips.

Tom Keats said:

...
I wrapped lengths of innertube rubber around
my toeclips, and fastened them with zipties.

Those things keep both the wind & rain off my
street shoes. They're lovely and wonderful.
And cheap. And easy. No batteries, no h-tech,
no nuthin'. They're just there. And my feet
remain happily dry & warm, through all kinds
of Vancouver weather.

I love all you ski-cleated-pedal guyz as kith
'n kin, but (G-d forgive me please) you're all
spendthrift nutz.

Toe clips are horrible, since one needs to have a cleated shoe and strap
cinched tight to prevent ones feet from falling off the pedals at the "3
O'Clock" and "9 O'Clock" positions. Not the thing for city riding.

Extra long Power Grips if one must go inexpensive.

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"the grinning buddy bear carries a fork." - g.d.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Sherman said:

Tom Keats said:

...
I wrapped lengths of innertube rubber around
my toeclips, and fastened them with zipties.

Those things keep both the wind & rain off my
street shoes. They're lovely and wonderful.
And cheap. And easy. No batteries, no h-tech,
no nuthin'. They're just there. And my feet
remain happily dry & warm, through all kinds
of Vancouver weather.

I love all you ski-cleated-pedal guyz as kith
'n kin, but (G-d forgive me please) you're all
spendthrift nutz.

Toe clips are horrible, since one needs to have a cleated shoe and strap
cinched tight to prevent ones feet from falling off the pedals at the "3
O'Clock" and "9 O'Clock" positions. Not the thing for city riding.

No you don't. At least not with my plastic MTB toeclips &
cordura straps with the slidy buckles. I've never had any
probs w/ unintended foot extractions, nor with being stuck
in them at inopportune moments. My street shoes work very
well with them.

cheers,
Tom

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I'm really at:
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Tom Keats said:

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Sherman said:

Tom Keats said:

...
I wrapped lengths of innertube rubber around
my toeclips, and fastened them with zipties.

Those things keep both the wind & rain off my
street shoes. They're lovely and wonderful.
And cheap. And easy. No batteries, no h-tech,
no nuthin'. They're just there. And my feet
remain happily dry & warm, through all kinds
of Vancouver weather.

I love all you ski-cleated-pedal guyz as kith
'n kin, but (G-d forgive me please) you're all
spendthrift nutz.

Toe clips are horrible, since one needs to have a cleated shoe and strap
cinched tight to prevent ones feet from falling off the pedals at the "3
O'Clock" and "9 O'Clock" positions. Not the thing for city riding.

No you don't. At least not with my plastic MTB toeclips &
cordura straps with the slidy buckles. I've never had any
probs w/ unintended foot extractions, nor with being stuck
in them at inopportune moments. My street shoes work very
well with them.

Yeah, but you ride one of those weird "horsey" position bicycles, no?

--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
"the grinning buddy bear carries a fork." - g.d.

In article <[email hidden]>,

Tom Sherman said:

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No you don't. At least not with my plastic MTB toeclips &
cordura straps with the slidy buckles. I've never had any
probs w/ unintended foot extractions, nor with being stuck
in them at inopportune moments. My street shoes work very
well with them.

Yeah, but you ride one of those weird "horsey" position bicycles, no?

Heh :-) Sort of. If it was "horsey" position my saddle
would be a lot more forward than it is. Maybe it's more
like dromedary position.

Okay, I said some tongue-in-cheek stuff about recumbentists.
I never meant any real offense. I figure you guys are already
inured against such verbal abuse & violence. You can take it.
You can dish it out, too. Once you go "Unnggghhh", lifting
yourselves out of those low seats to stand up on two feet.
If those things had armrests to brace your arms on, it would
make that task so much easier.

cheers,
Tom

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I'm really at:
tkeats curlicue vcn dot bc dot ca

Tim McNamara said:

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Tom Sherman said:

Tim McNamara said:

... I've struggled with keeping my feet warm. The old fleece-lined
road shoes of yore are long gone and those were great- light and
warm, sort of like Ugg boots for bicycling but not as bulky. I
find that shoe covers just don't work that well for me. I bought a
pair of Lake winter boots and those help quite a bit. My feet will
be cold by the end of a couple hour ride at 40F, but with cycling
shoes and neoprene booties I could only ride about an hour at those
temps before my feet were too cold for comfort....

The best I have found for cold weather riding is the combination of
SPuD sandals, synthetic inner sock, heavy wool middle sock and
windproof outer sock. Much warmer than regular cycling shoes with the
neoprene covers.

Too bad there is not a SPuD compatible Sorel Caribou. 🙁

I have a pair of Lake sandals but have not tried them at all with heavy
socks in cold weather. I haven't really liked them under any
circumstances, actually- the fit is weird. My other Lake shoes fit
really well (well enough that almost all my cycling shoes are Lakes),
but the sandals don't.

I have been trying the sandals & socks route trying to keep my feet warm
with little success. Yesterday I wore a liner sock, medium wool sock,
and heavy fleece sock, covered with an oversize goretex sock on a
Shimano sandal at 36 degrees. Feet were cold!

BC
cold feet

BCDrums said:

Tim McNamara said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Tom Sherman <[email hidden]> wrote:

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Tim McNamara wrote:
> ... I've struggled with keeping my feet warm. The old fleece-lined
> road shoes of yore are long gone and those were great- light and
> warm, sort of like Ugg boots for bicycling but not as bulky. I
> find that shoe covers just don't work that well for me. I bought a
> pair of Lake winter boots and those help quite a bit. My feet will
> be cold by the end of a couple hour ride at 40F, but with cycling
> shoes and neoprene booties I could only ride about an hour at those
> temps before my feet were too cold for comfort....
The best I have found for cold weather riding is the combination of
SPuD sandals, synthetic inner sock, heavy wool middle sock and
windproof outer sock. Much warmer than regular cycling shoes with the
neoprene covers.

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Too bad there is not a SPuD compatible Sorel Caribou. 🙁

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I have a pair of Lake sandals but have not tried them at all with heavy
socks in cold weather. I haven't really liked them under any
circumstances, actually- the fit is weird. My other Lake shoes fit
really well (well enough that almost all my cycling shoes are Lakes),
but the sandals don't.

I have been trying the sandals & socks route trying to keep my feet warm
with little success. Yesterday I wore a liner sock, medium wool sock,
and heavy fleece sock, covered with an oversize goretex sock on a
Shimano sandal at 36 degrees. Feet were cold!

BC
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I have been trying the sandals & socks route trying to keep my feet warm
with little success. Yesterday I wore a liner sock, medium wool sock,
and heavy fleece sock, covered with an oversize goretex sock on a
Shimano sandal at 36 degrees. Feet were cold!

BC
cold feet

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you might have too many layers. If the
moisture is trapped, they'll be cold.
Too many layers, my guess. Now would
your feet in your shoes be just as cold,
than what you had with sandals in 36
degrees? Bring some chemical toe
warmers with you, just in case it gets
intolerable, then slip it in your sock.
What I've been doing lately, is a wool
sock, covered by windbreak sock, with
those shoe toe warmers, over the socks
(not the sandal which isn't possible).

Crescentius Vespasianus said:

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I have been trying the sandals & socks route trying to keep my feet
warm with little success. Yesterday I wore a liner sock, medium wool
sock, and heavy fleece sock, covered with an oversize goretex sock on
a Shimano sandal at 36 degrees. Feet were cold!

BC
cold feet

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you might have too many layers. If the moisture is trapped, they'll be
cold. Too many layers, my guess. Now would your feet in your shoes be
just as cold, than what you had with sandals in 36 degrees? Bring some
chemical toe warmers with you, just in case it gets intolerable, then
slip it in your sock. What I've been doing lately, is a wool sock,
covered by windbreak sock, with those shoe toe warmers, over the socks
(not the sandal which isn't possible).

I have been careful not to trap moisture. In recent tests at 39 degrees,
with thin Smartwool liners, thick, oversize (so they are toe-wigglin'
loose) REI fleece socks, and plastic bags with the Shimano sandals, the
outer surface of the fleece socks were covered in moisture, but the
inner sock stayed dry. When I replaced the plastic bags with oversize
Rocky Goretex oversocks, the fleece socks were dry too, demonstrating
that the Goretex socks were indeed passing the vapor out.

However, the feet were still cold. Am thinking of getting some rubbers
(like for rain!) to put over the whole shebang to really cut the wind.

I am trying to have warm feet without the chemical toe warmers. I have
tried them and they do work, but if I use them I could just go back to
my summer shoes. I'd rather not. I have had to stop on occasion to
remove the toe warmers (too hot!), and they last much longer than my
typical one hour ride, so it feels wasteful.

BC
defrosting digits

datakoll said:

BCDrums said:

Tim McNamara said:

In article <[email hidden]>,
Tom Sherman <[email hidden]> wrote:
> Tim McNamara wrote:
>> ... I've struggled with keeping my feet warm. The old fleece-lined
>> road shoes of yore are long gone and those were great- light and
>> warm, sort of like Ugg boots for bicycling but not as bulky. I
>> find that shoe covers just don't work that well for me. I bought a
>> pair of Lake winter boots and those help quite a bit. My feet will
>> be cold by the end of a couple hour ride at 40F, but with cycling
>> shoes and neoprene booties I could only ride about an hour at those
>> temps before my feet were too cold for comfort....
> The best I have found for cold weather riding is the combination of
> SPuD sandals, synthetic inner sock, heavy wool middle sock and
> windproof outer sock. Much warmer than regular cycling shoes with the
> neoprene covers.
> Too bad there is not a SPuD compatible Sorel Caribou. 🙁
I have a pair of Lake sandals but have not tried them at all with heavy
socks in cold weather. I haven't really liked them under any
circumstances, actually- the fit is weird. My other Lake shoes fit
really well (well enough that almost all my cycling shoes are Lakes),
but the sandals don't.

I have been trying the sandals & socks route trying to keep my feet warm
with little success. Yesterday I wore a liner sock, medium wool sock,
and heavy fleece sock, covered with an oversize goretex sock on a
Shimano sandal at 36 degrees. Feet were cold!

BC
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I tried the Seirius socks- they are tight-fitting in any size, Have you
used these?

The Twinkle Toes look good. I'd wear them as an underlayer. I'd be
surprised if the fit over the toe of the Shimano sandal; the sole is
very wide and thick.

BC

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I have been trying the sandals & socks route trying to keep my feet warm
with little success. Yesterday I wore a liner sock, medium wool sock, and
heavy fleece sock, covered with an oversize goretex sock on a Shimano
sandal at 36 degrees. Feet were cold!

a few years ago, Johnny Rotten on VH1

he premiered a show

He described it as a trip through John's shoes with an emphasis on the fine
detail work in the stitching on the heels

mk5000

"Anything less could mean total disaster for the Free World00:00:00Hg"--