Quoted message said:Bill Sornson said:Quoted message said:>> Well it's all there and I see nothing I missed or failed to
>> comment on. What is it you think I got wrong?Quoted message said:Quoted message said:>> Anyway, maybe you can show where there is something we should
>> worry about. As I said, beginning riders in my youth often rode
>> older brother's bicycles on which they could barely reach the
>> bottom of the stroke while practically sitting on the toptube.
>> This could be called negative standover clearance. Maybe you
>> started riding later but neither I nor anyone I rode with had the
>> imagined problem that you allude to. I think I hear chicken
>> little's warnings.Quoted message said:Quoted message said:> What you missed is that I clearly said it was more aptly called a
> comfort issue than a safety issue. That *you* never experienced
> something doesn't mean it has never occurred so let me make you an
> offer. If you keep the snide "imagined problem" and "chicken
> little" comments to yourself I won't claim that since I've never
> met an engineer that wasn't a jerk that they must all be
> jerks. Deal?Quoted message said:Quoted message said:"Comfort issue"?
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:The trouble you are having is that you have no problem, only an
imagined one.Quoted message said:AAAARRRRGHGHGHGGHGHGH!!! I couldn't stand it one more second.
Quoted message said:The fact is that YOU MISREAD AND/OR MISREPRESENTED WHAT BOB WROTE.
And now you're presuming to tell him what he has or has not
experienced!Maybe you didn't notice but the reason there are inclusions of prior
statements is to clarify these things. However, when I included what
was said, it was again deleted from Bob's response and tangent
references made to what isn't.You are doing the same thing. Maybe you could explain how the problem
occurs with low standover clearance. You'll note that there is no
words above explaining what the problem is, either in what Bob said or
what you wrote. What I am pointing out is that the "comfort" to which
is alluded is neither defined or explained ho0w it is lost.If you know what it is, you might reveal the secret.
Damn, Jobst, it's late. Sigh...here we go.
Bob wrote (as quoted by you): "It may or may not cause injury in a fall but
inadequate standover height can and sometimes does cause pain/discomfort
during the simple act of stopping and standing. It has happened to me on any
number of bikes. Those occasional incidences of pain/discomfort were reason
enough for me to finally invest in a bike that actually fit. In this case,
one man's bugaboo is another's truth."
To which you replied (rather snottily): "You're getting old and fuzzy.
With "Injury in a fall" I see a doomsday attitude just like so many people
once thought the elbow in the classic quill stem would disembowel a rider
who went over the bars. Both concepts are false mental images, not derived
from reality. If that were not the case, we should have heard of such
injuries long ago and we haven't."
So rather than comprehend and address what Bob /actually wrote/, you instead
meanly demean him for what he DIDN'T mean. (Hint: he didn't fear monger or
invoke "doomsday" scenarios at all.)
He then points this out to you and again, instead of either just admitting
you misconstrued what he wrote, you again insult him AND dismiss what he
says are HIS PERSONAL EXPERIENCES simply because they haven't happened to
have happened to you. (Too lazy to get quotes; anyone can read 'em if
thread intact.) BTW, ask Lance how it feels to slip off a pedal and land
hard on the top tube...
Quoted message said:Quoted message said:You're a real piece of work.
Quoted message said:You're right, tracking down open ended allusions to undefined problems
is a tedious piece of work. I also mentioned earlier that there is
hardly an adult bicycle sold today that doesn't have a steeply
slanting downtube (hyena style) that standover clearance is a concern.Quoted message said:Bill "and work is over-rated" Sornson.
Whose work?
Whoosh.
Bill "old and fuzzy much?" S .